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moths posted:It looks like Percy Tyrone "Ty" Beard is the garbage lawyer and the Fistfull of TOWs guy. Ah, poo poo. Well, at least I bought it before i knew about his idiocy. It's not surprising, though, the miniatures crowd is chock full of CHUDs. (And the rules are only 200 pages, with ~200 pages of data for units from WW2 to the present. So just ~475 pages total.)
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I'm feeling pretty bad about backing Frog Gods 3rd printing of the Swords & Wizardry rulebook, especially since the main reason I did it was that it seemed that they'd actually made an effort to appeal to a different demographic than the usual loudmouth beardlords of the OSR. 
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Hi extremist alt-right fuckheads, glad you're watching us here. KiwiFarms that den of utter shittery that wants to rival 8chan is now looking here because of course they are:  Just to remind everyone, Bill Webb admitted to lovely behaviour, and Frog God Games purported investigation admitted that. While we might dismiss it entirely because of his ongoing behaviour and lack of contrition, does make for something of a problem for them when he's claiming nothing happened, that he and they apologised for. https://www.froggodgames.com/library/?q=forum/response-frog-god-games-events-social-media quote:
Needless to say, this is being entirely ignored by all the alt right poo poo heads involved
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Oh, are they still trying to convince everyone that "NPC" is some sort of cutting insult? That one seemed to have fizzled out most places of relevance.
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Desiden posted:Oh, are they still trying to convince everyone that "NPC" is some sort of cutting insult? That one seemed to have fizzled out most places of relevance. nah, it's just a way to dehumanize people that they haven't given up on because...they like dehumanizing people
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Y'all have to remember that suing some enemy in a different state and causing stress and monetary strain, even if the grifters and victims alike involved see only minor chances of the suit being upheld, is absolutely in line with the modern crypto-fash movement: The Cruelty Is The Point
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Apr 24, 2019 19:12
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I like the reference to the old George Lucas quote RLM popularized in like 2009. Layering two memes is a level of sophistication no subhuman could reach.
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Apr 24, 2019 19:23
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Got my refund from Frog God along with a bit of snark:quote:I've refunded your payments from both Kickstarter and Backerkit as requested. It's your choice to believe rumors and false accusations.
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Apr 24, 2019 20:17
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Warthur posted:Got my refund from Frog God along with a bit of snark:
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Warthur posted:Got my refund from Frog God along with a bit of snark: The source of those "rumors and false accusations"? Frog God's own official report of their "investigation" of the incident.
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Apr 24, 2019 20:31
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Warthur posted:Got my refund from Frog God along with a bit of snark: Their post in 2017 admitted it and apologised on his behalf, I'm guessing that's been wiped from the record for his new narrative, but it's still there on their website. or, you know, what FMGuru said FMguru posted:Classy!
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Apr 24, 2019 21:19
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Well, I responded with "The specific information I have chosen to believe is that provided by your firm's internal investigation" followed by the link to their forum post.
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Apr 24, 2019 21:27
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Mors Rattus posted:nah, it's just a way to dehumanize people that they haven't given up on because...they like dehumanizing people
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Nessus posted:They seem so deeply unhappy. It's like they have to use the 'crying laughter' emoji because they can't actually stop crying. Following ComicsGate and KickVic I've come to see that as a sign of the defeated, particularly when it comes to multiple instances in a row.
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TheRPGSite is "I'm not mad, I find this all very funny" incarnated as a forum.
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Dawgstar posted:"both World-class Gaming Personalities themselves" Wrote the old satirical gaming site Critical Miss, and the Slayer’s Guide to Game Masters, a satirical gaming novel called Game Night (which is actually pretty good) and some zine articles. Now mostly does non-gaming or gaming-tangential novels. Wasn’t aware he had done anything bad apart from pushing the “gamer girls are like gold dust” viewpoint on CM way back, and writing a hilariously bitter convention journal.
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hyphz posted:Wrote the old satirical gaming site Critical Miss, and the Slayer’s Guide to Game Masters, a satirical gaming novel called Game Night (which is actually pretty good) and some zine articles. Now mostly does non-gaming or gaming-tangential novels. Wasn’t aware he had done anything bad apart from pushing the “gamer girls are like gold dust” viewpoint on CM way back, and writing a hilariously bitter convention journal.
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dwarf74 posted:I think I have a book by him about gods playing an RPG, but I've never read it. That’s Game Night. It’s basically a catalogue of things that go wrong playing RPGs presented as a novel. Sadly there’s no solutions...
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Warthur posted:Well, I responded with "The specific information I have chosen to believe is that provided by your firm's internal investigation" followed by the link to their forum post. I don't often find my dissatisfaction rising to the level of requesting refunds, but I really appreciate your efforts to engage with creators and companies as you do so (not being sarcastic).
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I'm not even a particularly can-I-talk-to-your-manager sort - I've backed (God help me) over 130 Kickstarters, the vast majority have been fine, and I've have only sought refunds on 10. Of those, 4 of them are SJG/Frog God-connected ones based on this recent nastiness, 1 was Sigil & Sign (because they kept crediting C.A. Suleiman as being a key member of their team despite making loud noises about ejecting him), 4 involved no actual unpleasantness on either side (project went sour, creators did right by me as a backer, everyone moved on), and 1 was Alas loving Vegas. Oh, and there's my Burning Wheel refund, but I didn't ask for that one, it was inflicted on me as a curse from an angry wizard. So the refund-seeking rate we're talking about is 4.8% if you don't include the SJG/Frog God blip, 7.6% if you do. It shouldn't be hard for people to fall into the 92% of creators and companies I stay frosty with.
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I requested a refund for a Marion Zimmer Bradley collection from Amazon when it came out what a monster she was and I got back a very supportive email from whoever handled it. That was nice.
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Warthur posted:Oh, and there's my Burning Wheel refund, but I didn't ask for that one, it was inflicted on me as a curse from an angry wizard.
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Warthur posted:I'm not even a particularly can-I-talk-to-your-manager sort - I've backed (God help me) over 130 Kickstarters, the vast majority have been fine, and I've have only sought refunds on 10. Of those, 4 of them are SJG/Frog God-connected ones based on this recent nastiness, 1 was Sigil & Sign (because they kept crediting C.A. Suleiman as being a key member of their team despite making loud noises about ejecting him), 4 involved no actual unpleasantness on either side (project went sour, creators did right by me as a backer, everyone moved on), and 1 was Alas loving Vegas. Oh, and there's my Burning Wheel refund, but I didn't ask for that one, it was inflicted on me as a curse from an angry wizard. The only one I've refunded was Sigmata, and that went very professionally, even if I disagree with Chad Walker's take on activism.
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HopperUK posted:I requested a refund for a Marion Zimmer Bradley collection from Amazon when it came out what a monster she was and I got back a very supportive email from whoever handled it. That was nice. What did she do? I'm not particularly a fan or anything, but I'm starting to feel like I need a wiki or something to keep track of who's a terrible person and why.
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Enola Gay-For-Pay posted:What did she do? I'm not particularly a fan or anything, but I'm starting to feel like I need a wiki or something to keep track of who's a terrible person and why. She and her husband are pedophiles and child abusers.
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MZB is in a higher echelon of "monstrous" than basically anyone else we could talk about in this thread.
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Mors Rattus posted:She and her husband are pedophiles and child abusers. Which isn't to say she doesn't deserve sympathy for what happened, but does mean a) her writing on the subject can go into hateful areas and b) a lot of her testimony on the subject is hosted on places which I suspect most people here would not usually count as being credible sources. It doesn't upstage the core story, which is that MZB and Breen were monsters, but it's an ugly wrinkle which might have hurt the extent to which the news got propagated after the initial flash. Warthur fucked around with this message at 17:16 on Apr 25, 2019 |
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The good news is all proceeds of her (e: MZB, that is) books, IIRC, go to a charity for abused children.
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Enola Gay-For-Pay posted:What did she do? I'm not particularly a fan or anything, but I'm starting to feel like I need a wiki or something to keep track of who's a terrible person and why. So don't worry, it's not just them who are loving awful people in this story.
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Mors Rattus posted:The good news is all proceeds of her (e: MZB, that is) books, IIRC, go to a charity for abused children. I'm particularly galled to note that the series seems to be continuing under the original title and still crediting MZB as its founder, and edited by Elizabeth Waters, a bud of MZB's who posted this veiled denial of Moira's accusations when the story came out.
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It's stunning that Breen was surrounded by scandal in the 60s, and it just died down, and was apparently no impediment to his wife becoming a feminist icon (at least in genre literature). That couldn't happen today, and I don't know how much of it is genuine progress as opposed to the Internet making these things easier to verify and harder to ignore.
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Halloween Jack posted:It's stunning that Breen was surrounded by scandal in the 60s, and it just died down, and was apparently no impediment to his wife becoming a feminist icon (at least in genre literature). That couldn't happen today, and I don't know how much of it is genuine progress as opposed to the Internet making these things easier to verify and harder to ignore.
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I went to high school with MZB's grandkids. That was not a happy family.
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Warthur posted:Why not both? The printing press saw similar progressive leaps (and nightmare backlashes and bizarre dead ends). Progress achieved via technology is no less real for the means by which it was accomplished.
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Halloween Jack posted:It's stunning that Breen was surrounded by scandal in the 60s, and it just died down, and was apparently no impediment to his wife becoming a feminist icon (at least in genre literature). That couldn't happen today, and I don't know how much of it is genuine progress as opposed to the Internet making these things easier to verify and harder to ignore.
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FMguru posted:Fans are really, really terrible about policing their own (just as true in the modern era as it was back in the 1950s/1960s) It's not just fans. Look at our ruling class in America. The simple reality is that all humans are generally lenient on people they know or admire and hard on those they don't.
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A) That still contradicts some of the eyewitnesses who have spoken publicly and privately about it, including the victim B) If this was the case, why is there a claim by Ty Beard that they hired him, why is there a claim by lovely youtube comicsgate lawyer about (some of) this (the cigarette packet thing was entirely new to that claim). It's admittedly the first time Webb has spoken on it, even while trying to downplay it, and it's definitely cherry picked and seems to be a 'trying to draw a line under it', but then why would they have emailed/spoken to lovely comicsgate lawyers to escalate it all. The whole thing on how FGG are the real victims is just bullshit, and I'm now torn between this being them rowing back, or trying to attract sympathy or distract from a non-lawsuit that may or may not be happening because despite all the 'mwah ha ha ha' threats none of those named have heard anything about it other than one tweet. PST fucked around with this message at 19:13 on Apr 26, 2019 |
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