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| Joe "the liberal who fights busing" Biden |
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27 | 1.40% |
| Bernie "please don't die" Sanders |
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1017 | 52.69% |
| Cory "charter schools" Booker |
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12 | 0.62% |
| Kirsten "wall street" Gillibrand |
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24 | 1.24% |
| Kamala "truancy queen" Harris |
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59 | 3.06% |
| Julian "who?" Castro |
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7 | 0.36% |
| Tulsi "gay panic" Gabbard |
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25 | 1.30% |
| Michael "crimes crimes crimes" Avenatti |
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22 | 1.14% |
| Sherrod "discount bernie" Brown |
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21 | 1.09% |
| Amy "horrible boss" Klobuchar |
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12 | 0.62% |
| Tammy "stands for america" Duckworth |
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48 | 2.49% |
| Beto "whataburger" O'Rourke |
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32 | 1.66% |
| Elizabeth "instagram beer" Warren |
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284 | 14.72% |
| Tom "impeach please" Steyer |
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4 | 0.21% |
| Michael "soda is the devil" Bloomberg |
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9 | 0.47% |
| Joseph Stalin |
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287 | 14.87% |
| Howard "coffee republican" Schultz |
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10 | 0.52% |
Jay "nobody cares about climate change  " Inslee |
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13 | 0.67% |
| Pete "gently caress the homeless" Butt Man |
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17 | 0.88% |
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drawkcab si eman ym posted:Can VP Biden outcampaign Sen. Gillibrand? Wouldn't that be the funniest possible outcome of this entire primary? 
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Apr 25, 2019 00:02
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Badger of Basra posted:"Some things are" does not mean "literally any time anyone says anything negative about Bernie they are part of the neolib shill cabal" They're neolib shills.
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Apr 25, 2019 00:16
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I went back and listened to Bernie and Warren at that forum earlier and I thought Bernie came across really tonedeaf on racial issues. The hosts had to press him on his pivots several times and he went to a "I marched with Dr King!!" thing that just really came off bad. Warren knocked it out of the park from the first question on. Superb.
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Apr 25, 2019 00:18
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VH4Ever posted:I went back and listened to Bernie and Warren at that forum earlier and I thought Bernie came across really tonedeaf on racial issues. Given the cheers and applause he got through most of it, I don't know if the audience agrees with you.
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Apr 25, 2019 00:21
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Bernie Sanders cannot dunk a basketball. #neolibshills4life
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Apr 25, 2019 00:25
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Majorian posted:Given the cheers and applause he got through most of it, I don't know if the audience agrees with you. He didn't get the ovation one of Liz's lines got. Again, I'll vote for whichever of the two of them remain when it's my turn. But I feel like he desperately pivots off addressing some racial issues head-on while Liz seems eager to tackle them directly. Just my (white man) impression.
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Apr 25, 2019 00:29
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VH4Ever posted:He didn't get the ovation one of Liz's lines got. Again, I'll vote for whichever of the two of them remain when it's my turn. But I feel like he desperately pivots off addressing some racial issues head-on while Liz seems eager to tackle them directly. Just my (white man) impression. Warren did slightly better than he did at this forum, I won't argue against that. But there's a difference between him holding his own in a forum that was stacked against him, and him bombing.
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Apr 25, 2019 00:32
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This is an example of what I'm talking about. By Warren not only giving a detailed analysis of the issue, but also some specific way of resolving it, she shows to the audience she's given a lot of thought, which shows she cares about it. And she sounds like she knows what she's talking about, which makes people more inclined to trust her to implement it. Even if you don't agree with the plan (and actually I'm still a little iffy on it) it still has an impact on convincing you of her compassion and competency on the issue https://twitter.com/ewarren/status/1121164657455136768
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Apr 25, 2019 00:36
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bowser posted:https://twitter.com/MarisaKabas/status/1121148788310147073 Bernie is maintaining his grandpa reputation by being appropriately cringe in public.
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Apr 25, 2019 00:38
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theblackw0lf posted:This is an example of what I'm talking about. By Warren not only giving a detailed analysis of the issue, but also some specific way of resolving it, she shows to the audience she's given a lot of thought, which shows she cares about it. And she sounds like she knows what she's talking about, which makes people more inclined to trust her to implement it. Yeah her doing this, and doing it right from the first question to boot, was really great. You heard lots of positive murmurs and some shouted encouragements from the crowd when she went into the meat and potatoes of this answer. bowser posted:https://twitter.com/MarisaKabas/status/1121148788310147073 And this is the flip side. Pretty tired, IMO, and he's gonna have to do better with Liz in the race because she's eating his lunch on race issues thus far.
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Apr 25, 2019 00:39
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theblackw0lf posted:This is an example of what I'm talking about. By Warren not only giving a detailed analysis of the issue, but also some specific way of resolving it, she shows to the audience she's given a lot of thought, which shows she cares about it. And she sounds like she knows what she's talking about, which makes people more inclined to trust her to implement it. Yeah, I do mean it when I say Warren did a good job here, because she really did. I hope Bernie's team learns the right lesson from this, both because it will help his campaign and because these are good principles to support in detail. I expect they will; they're smart folks.
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Apr 25, 2019 00:41
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theblackw0lf posted:https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/1121166558766796800 She will fold like a cheap paper plate.
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Apr 25, 2019 00:42
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None of the virtues people see in Warren are untrue, but at the same time I don't know a soul alive who does not believe Sanders genuinely cares about his platform.
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Apr 25, 2019 00:45
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Judakel posted:She will fold like a cheap paper plate. She's never had that problem. Deified Data posted:None of the virtues people see in Warren are untrue, but at the same time I don't know a soul alive who does not believe Sanders genuinely cares about his platform. Most of Donut Twitter seems to have genuinely convinced themselves that he's a cynical trump just pushing good policy to cynically gain applause
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Apr 25, 2019 00:45
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Deified Data posted:None of the virtues people see in Warren are untrue, but at the same time I don't know a soul alive who does not believe Sanders genuinely cares about his platform. The fact of his consistently saying this stuff for decades elicits a sigh from the electorate which is annoying. All he can truly do is lean on Nina Turner, and others, to plead the case better for his understanding of such issues.
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Apr 25, 2019 00:48
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:She's never had that problem. You think "capitalist to her bones" Liz is not going to fold on the issue of debt forgiveness if she were to become president? lol
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Apr 25, 2019 00:48
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"Warren has a plan for that" is actually a really good slogan https://shop.elizabethwarren.com/co...a_7FZcOdwhQtV7E I love that Warren is just running as herself, and the campaign she wants to run.
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Apr 25, 2019 00:49
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Judakel posted:You think "capitalist to her bones" Liz is not going to fold on the issue of debt forgiveness if she were to become president? lol Depends, is "the majority leader refuses to bring the bill to the Senate floor for discussion" "folding"?
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Apr 25, 2019 00:51
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Most of Donut Twitter seems to have genuinely convinced themselves that he's a cynical trump just pushing good policy to cynically gain applause Bernie Sanders, notorious political weathervane who changes his positions to whatever the polls say...
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Apr 25, 2019 00:52
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:She's never had that problem. Weird that their candidates seem to not be able to do the same. I know they've convinced themselves that a racist, capitalist hellworld is the best we can hope for so only a liar could say we could do better but if it's so easy to lie then any of the interchangeable idiots they support could do it.
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Apr 25, 2019 00:55
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theblackw0lf posted:This article from The New Republic gets at something I've been thinking about. Which is that Warren's transformation from a Reagan republican to a democrat, might not only maker her more electable, but also give her a unique ability to persuade others on the other side to change their views. This is the kind of nonsense that people who voted for Hillary actually believe.
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Apr 25, 2019 00:55
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Mellow Seas posted:Depends, is "the majority leader refuses to bring the bill to the Senate floor for discussion" "folding"? Are you under the impression democrats would not oppose this move? The difference in the opposition they will face is that Bernie will absolutely publicly humiliate them for it.
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Apr 25, 2019 00:56
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Gnumonic posted:Bernie Sanders, notorious political weathervane who changes his positions to whatever the polls say... A craven centrist who spent half a century building leftist bonafides to deprive women and POC of their shot at the presidency at this crucial moment We can't just let him get away with it
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Apr 25, 2019 00:58
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Judakel posted:Are you under the impression democrats would not oppose this move? The difference in the opposition they will face is that Bernie will absolutely publicly humiliate them for it. Yes, Bernie Sanders, candidate who has not proposed debt forgiveness, is definitely more committed to debt forgiveness than Elizabeth Warren, who used the word "capitalist" in a positive way once and thus... we have this gimmick account. And I didn't say what party the majority leader was from. 
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Apr 25, 2019 00:59
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Judakel posted:She will fold like a cheap paper plate. Did you miss the articles I posted about her challenging, and winning, against the Obama administration because of his choice of undersecretary? Or fighting the Obama administration and dem party on the omnibus bill? Also, I think some people keep forgetting that the "Nevertheless, She Persisted" slogan is about her. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wRsjubxWnQ
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Apr 25, 2019 01:01
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Judakel posted:This is the kind of nonsense that people who voted for Hillary actually believe. Trump voters will definitely not go for Warren. Honestly there is nothing to reach out to with Trump voters other than economic issues
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Apr 25, 2019 01:01
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FlamingLiberal posted:Pretty much. Also as much as I hate to say it Trump has probably sufficiently poisoned her with his base through humiliating her. Even if being a Reagan Republican worked (and the actual Republicans tried this and failed hilariously in 2016 so no Democrat has a chance) it wouldn't be her.
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Apr 25, 2019 01:03
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Radish posted:Also as much as I hate to say it Trump has probably sufficiently poisoned her with his base through humiliating her. Even if being a Reagan Republican worked (and the actual Republicans tried this and failed hilariously in 2016 so no Democrat has a chance) it wouldn't be her.
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Apr 25, 2019 01:06
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FlamingLiberal posted:I do think that could also be a problem, but in 2020 the Dems need to play to the base, not Trump voters. They need to play to the base and the huge segment that doesn't bother voting since neither party represents them. Republican voters are a absolute dead end and always have been. The only reason they "matter" is because the Democratic leadership wants to fully turn the party into the neo-Republicans with a base of voters that have the choice between that and fascism. The conservative Democrats have no real base, they just have successfully latched onto the only alternative to the party of theocratic white supremacy and win by default when that party gets a little too openly corrupt.
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Apr 25, 2019 01:08
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:She's never had that problem. She literally did just this in 2016.
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Apr 25, 2019 01:10
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Oh Snapple! posted:She literally did just this in 2016. On a racial issue no less.
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Apr 25, 2019 01:10
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Radish posted:On a racial issue no less. Oh no I meant folding completely to Hillary to the point where she not only chose to not run, but to not endorse. That said that also says nothing of her constantly reinforcing a horseshit native narrative about herself while not actually doing poo poo for native causes until she hosed up super hard. Oh Snapple! fucked around with this message at 01:20 on Apr 25, 2019 |
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Apr 25, 2019 01:12
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Mellow Seas posted:Yes, Bernie Sanders, candidate who has not proposed debt forgiveness, is definitely more committed to debt forgiveness than Elizabeth Warren, who used the word "capitalist" in a positive way once and thus... we have this gimmick account. I was not talking about debt you m... Anyway.
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Apr 25, 2019 01:19
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The way I see it Sanders makes a good president because he is finally connecting with POC and all the Trump voters who voted for him hoping he'd get them their jobs back. He's also extremely resilient in the face of criticism and sticks to his guns. He's willing to get on the front lines and face our worst ideological enemies and fight them on their ground. Warren is great at making proposals but she doesn't strike me as someone who can withstand the intense and often bipartisan political criticism and attacks a president faces. Warren to me thus far has made a fantastic case for being the treasury secretary or secretary of commerce. Hopefully Nina Turner can help Sanders connect better with POC and more specifically WOC because speaking as a white male the breadth of my experience stops short of fully being able to connect to those realities and I would most certainly want someone who has a better empathetic understanding of their experiences at my side to keep me on an even keel.
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Apr 25, 2019 01:22
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theblackw0lf posted:Did you miss the articles I posted about her challenging, and winning, against the Obama administration because of his choice of undersecretary? Or fighting the Obama administration and dem party on the omnibus bill? Yes I remember those worthless victories.
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Apr 25, 2019 01:22
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Judakel posted:I was not talking about debt you m... Anyway. ...m? Judakel posted:You think "capitalist to her bones" Liz is not going to fold on the issue of debt forgiveness if she were to become president? lol My deepest and most sincere apologies for not reading your mind when you changed subjects without remarking upon it.
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Apr 25, 2019 01:23
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Kraftwerk posted:Yeah I noticed the audience seems to be displeased with Bernie and I can't figure out why. Reliably, polls from the past few months have shown that Bernie has the most support from nonwhite voters of any of the primary candidates. What you're missing is observable reality.
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Apr 25, 2019 01:23
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Mellow Seas posted:...m? Just work on your reading comprehension.
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Kraftwerk posted:The way I see it Sanders makes a good president because he is finally connecting with POC and all the Trump voters who voted for him hoping he'd get them their jobs back. He's also extremely resilient in the face of criticism and sticks to his guns. He's willing to get on the front lines and face our worst ideological enemies and fight them on their ground. Warren is great at making proposals but she doesn't strike me as someone who can withstand the intense and often bipartisan political criticism and attacks a president faces. Those are go-nowhere posts for her. I agree with others who have suggested if she bows out to just stay and help flip Senate and fight to be the majority leader. I can think of no one better, gently caress Schumer. It would be criminal to relegate her to some poo poo cabinet post like Commerce, Jesus.
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