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long story short terranigma is a good example of why enemies probably shouldn't have a defense stat unless 0 damage plinking is part of your core design
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It depends, if your game allows you to wander all around and you make it clear "hitting for 0 means too underleveled/weak" it can be ok. In a linear ARPG you done hosed up
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Apr 24, 2019 02:08
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A lot of games have RPG elements that really don't need to.
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Apr 24, 2019 03:14
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Yeah, but if games took out RPG elements people would notice how boring most of them are, and it's easier to make a dumb skinner box than actually design something interesting. You can probably thank the immense pressure from gamers/the industry for every game to be 50+ hours long now for that.
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Apr 24, 2019 06:42
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fat bossy gerbil posted:I don’t give a gently caress what anyone says the airboat section of Half Life 2 was fun. I enjoyed the first fiveteen minutes of it. The rest eight hours though.... The pacing in Half Life 2 is just weird to me. The ant lion level is similar, imo. It's a fun concept for the first three or four encounters, but after what felt to me like two hours (yeah, I'm greatly exaggerating here) it just wanted it to be over. It's such a strange game in my book...so many really cool and good things, but repeated so often that they got on my nerves. I really, really want to like HL2 as much as I did HL1, but I somehow can't. Not talking about the episodes of course, but the main game.
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Apr 24, 2019 08:13
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Ghost Leviathan posted:A lot of games have RPG elements that really don't need to. i don't mind rpg elements in actiony game but they have a specific role in the gameplay: there are players who might not be able to hack it on skill alone, and that's fine, the rpg elements are there to let them tune their handicap. alternatively, there are players who enjoy a numerical advantage and will take it whenever possible, and that's equally valid. but if you just tack it on for your diablo loot system to keep players in a skinner box loop, or if you use it as a weird gating design crutch, that's not so good
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Apr 24, 2019 08:52
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Ideally an rpg system adds complexity and choices as the game goes on and you gain competency at the systems, when they go badly you just end up being gated by progression and you have to waste time to progress your character to deal with the content.
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Apr 24, 2019 09:23
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As for Mortal Kombat they got the simple costumes and stages right the first time (and maybe in part two as well). Everything could have worked just as well in a cheesy 70's or 80's movie. Then we got ninjas with hockey masks. In its latest iteration characters are again weirdly overdesigned like off-brand superheroes or something.
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Apr 24, 2019 09:50
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A bit funny given the DC crossover and that they're made by WB Games now iirc. Though overdesigned edgy ninjas was kinda the whole 90s aesthetic that MK revelled in from the start.
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Apr 24, 2019 09:55
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In TYOOL 2019, some multiplayer games should still have bots, because bots are cool.
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Apr 24, 2019 11:33
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Ghost Leviathan posted:A bit funny given the DC crossover and that they're made by WB Games now iirc. Yeah, I feel like, when MkII came out, 80s ninjas were cool by virtue of being kinda poo poo, but owning it. By the time 3 came out though, that was more like a cool retro aesthetic, so being kinda poo poo and 90s but owning it was more MK. Like it's always existed in it's own weird world that totally skirts the line between self aware and not.
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Apr 24, 2019 11:49
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Ghost Leviathan posted:A bit funny given the DC crossover and that they're made by WB Games now iirc. Theyre Lin Kuei, not ninjas!!!
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Apr 24, 2019 13:07
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I'm playing through Black Flag right now and every once in a while I'm reminded that this is still an Assassin's Creed game and it's dragging the game down for me and making me wish I was playing Sid Meier's Pirates! instead. How is it 2019 and a game released in 2004 is STILL the best pirate game around?
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Apr 24, 2019 23:31
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My coworkers are all really into Sea of Thieves. No idea if it's good but it sounds fun the way they talk about it.
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Black flag is a pretty sweet pirate game tbh, it’s just buried in an awful assassins creed framework
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internet celebrity posted:My coworkers are all really into Sea of Thieves. No idea if it's good but it sounds fun the way they talk about it. i played it not long after it came out and it was very boring. i heard they added some stuff to do more recently though. but black flag is definitely a better pirate game
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Apr 25, 2019 02:40
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Fallout 2 is the last Fallout with funny and likeable NPCs
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Apr 25, 2019 03:18
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The goon who wrote the "dialogue" for Ulysses should be banned. From everything.
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Apr 25, 2019 03:20
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I liked Raul the ghoul. Like a lovable grumpy Mexican uncle for hire.
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Apr 25, 2019 03:24
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Jerry Cotton posted:Fallout 2 is the last Fallout with funny and likeable NPCs i'd like fallout 2 a lot more if i could just skip all the combat. Every animation takes so long and at the beginning you just miss and miss and miss
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Apr 25, 2019 03:28
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Caesar Saladin posted:i'd like fallout 2 a lot more if i could just skip all the combat. Every animation takes so long and at the beginning you just miss and miss and miss It would be better if it was better. Also without the 4 000 000 000 lovely bugs.
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Apr 25, 2019 03:31
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Caesar Saladin posted:i'd like fallout 2 a lot more if i could just skip all the combat. Every animation takes so long and at the beginning you just miss and miss and miss But but but the cool blood effects? 
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Apr 25, 2019 03:32
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Jerry Cotton posted:Fallout 2 is the last Fallout with funny and likeable NPCs Counterpoint: the only good thing about New Vegas were the funny and likeable NPCs
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Apr 25, 2019 03:34
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I liked Fallout 2 and am glad I got to play it as long and obsessively as I did. I’m sure I would have a hard time going back now though, not that I wouldn’t revel in the nostalgia for awhile.
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Apr 25, 2019 03:35
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Snow Cone Capone posted:Counterpoint: the only good thing about New Vegas were the funny and likeable NPCs Sure sure but they weren't nearly as funny and/or likeable.
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Apr 25, 2019 03:36
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So is Fallout 2 the last Fallout game with funny and likeable NPCs or not?
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Apr 25, 2019 13:56
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Fallout 4 is the last fallout with npcs
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Apr 25, 2019 14:51
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Telltale games may give the illusion of choice and nothing you do has a major impact on the story, but they are still fun games.
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bradzilla posted:Telltale games may give the illusion of choice and nothing you do has a major impact on the story, but they are still fun games. It's fun to get wasted, make all your characters say/do the worst things, and then laugh at the aftermath. I don't know how anyone has fun playing those games sober or seriously.
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Apr 25, 2019 15:28
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fallout 1 was really good and fallout 3 is mostly good but i have no idea how fallout 2 is because the intro loving sucks on toast
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Apr 25, 2019 15:33
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2house2fly posted:So is Fallout 2 the last Fallout game with funny and likeable NPCs or not? The Fallout 2 party NPC bartender with a heart condition didn’t have anything other than a generic NPC body, no talking head animation, and boxes of dialogue had far more characterization than any character from Fallout 4 (including the PC).
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Apr 25, 2019 15:33
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Tales from the Borderlands was better than it had any right to be. I still like the whole thing of playing basically a character who'd be an NPC in another game but has their own adventure and perspective within the bounds and trappings of a different genre pretty interesting.
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Apr 25, 2019 15:36
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food court bailiff posted:fallout 1 was really good and fallout 3 is mostly good but i have no idea how fallout 2 is because the intro loving sucks on toast Our champion must go out to save us on a epic quest but first, To the temple of ants with him! 
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Apr 25, 2019 16:38
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bradzilla posted:Telltale games may give the illusion of choice and nothing you do has a major impact on the story, but they are still fun games. Most games don't even give you the illusion of choice so it's still an improvement  Choice ain't a thing.
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Apr 25, 2019 21:10
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No choice but to play bad games
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Apr 25, 2019 21:21
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Colonel Cancer posted:Most games don't even give you the illusion of choice so it's still an improvement choice in games is overrated because you're still constrained by the developer's vision and ability or lack thereof to create a meaningful alternative route, and i'm gonna level with you that takes so much resources for so little return that it's never worth it better not to have choice in games at all and just make whatever the gently caress kind of railroad you want, at least you can make something compelling that way
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Apr 25, 2019 21:35
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Yeah pretty much. Same applies to traditional tabletop RPGs imo. The only good choice is whether you shoot bad guy A or bad guy B first, you can't just walk away from the plot unless it's basically Minecraft and has no storyline to begin with.
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The White Dragon posted:choice in games is overrated because you're still constrained by the developer's vision and ability or lack thereof to create a meaningful alternative route, and i'm gonna level with you that takes so much resources for so little return that it's never worth it Go play Age of Decadence
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Oooh, a discussion about the illusion of choice in video games! You should all go check out The Stanley Parable. It sounds pretentious, but by the end of all my playthroughs I really loved every inch of it, it's really well done. Don't spoil it.
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kenny was a liability from the very beginning and lol if you saved his crazy rear end in ttg walking dead
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