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i dont think the arc is hard to follow, im probably just dumb and can't figure out who oda wants us to think the traitor is from a meta POV, i'd actually be surprised if its kyoshiro, if only because we haven't been "told" yet that he's on the side of the heroes. so to have him secretly be with the heroes, but also betraying them, but be a little strange. the way that they built up yasu in the prior chapter was like classic oda storytelling to reveal he's actually a traitor (think mother caramel) but nope, turns out he's just a genuinely great guy
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Apr 26, 2019 15:39
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It's hawkins
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Apr 26, 2019 15:42
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I feel like Zep's called it.
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Apr 26, 2019 15:51
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The traitor, or reverse-nakama, is Chopper.
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Apr 26, 2019 17:08
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oh yeah speaking of which i was impressed that they translated law saying presumably nakama as comrade
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Apr 26, 2019 17:53
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Heh that weird old guy is going to make us cry like little bitches. Oda is in full swing it seems.
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if kyoshiro is pompadour guy then I've felt like he was a double agent for a while. we'll see tho
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What are the chances Luffy decides his friends and family are more important than being the freest man I'm the world? At least 1% right?
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Apr 26, 2019 21:05
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Being the freest means not having to make that choice.
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No Wave posted:Being the freest means not having to make that choice. being the freest is literally "Untouchable by all" Roger didnt lose. he surrendered. while he was on the sea only those at or near his level challenged him and even then they did it directly. no underhanded tactics...likely because the freest could crash over his foes.
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the rebels being "betrayed" by someone inside for the purpose of them all getting imprisoned, and subsequently released, in one place sounds slightly too galaxy brain for one piece but i think it would be great if thats what happens
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The traitor is the same person who betrayed UA in My Hero Academia. A most despicable being. There was no traitor, Orochi's ninja secret police are just good at their jobs. Also when like 85% of the country is in simmering rebellion someone's gonna slip up. Especially when noted stealthy and disciplined operatives like the non-lady Strawhats are involved. Edit: Sorry the non-lady, excluding Vivi, Strawhats. Karoo is pretty rock solid too though. Guess team Alabasta are the gender exceptions. Gyges fucked around with this message at 03:26 on Apr 27, 2019 |
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Apr 27, 2019 03:22
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Hey please give props to noted sneaky Strawhat Brook.
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Speaking of sneaky straw hats, I still laugh at the gag of Robin being dissappointed she only got basically all the intel on Kaido's forces.
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Kinda easy to forget that Robin's been infiltrating criminal and pirate orgs since she was a child and Nami was doing something similar all her life. Funny to consider that Usopp is basically the only member of the crew who wasn't extraordinarily skilled at something from the get-go; Luffy was a superpowered freak back in East Blue, Zoro probably its best swordsman, Nami a highly skilled thief and genius navigator and mapmaker, and Sanji both a brilliant chef and basically a foot-exclusive martial artist. Usopp's only real skills were upscaled pranks, using his slingshot and telling tall tales. He gets by because compared to most of the others he has a relatively happy, well-rounded upbringing, so he has a variety of basic skills and pursuits, and he's also highly intelligent in his own right as well as cunning and devious, and he's always looking for the next edge and the easiest way to deal with a problem, and thus enthusiastically embraces new technology and ideas and incorporates them into his fighting style.
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Usopp is an insane marksman though. He has demonstrated this time and time again. And he was pretty much skilled at that from the get go.
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Usopp's extraordinary skill was already being negative. (Actually it was the slingshot, but yeah that was pretty pedestrian up until Enies Lobby when he sniped people with it from so far away they couldn't shoot back.)
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In that case he had a major terrain advantage, but still notable for showing off his incredible skill, yeah. I mean more in a setting where ranged combat is usually weaksauce (that said, bullets in One Piece tend to be fairly meaningful when they're allowed to actually hit people, but even then it's rare for just one bullet to do the job and a lot of Devil Fruit users are effectively bulletproof) Usopp tends to have more luck firing basically anything except a piece of lead. Though there have been a number of plot-significant deaths by gunshot wounds (Fisher Tiger, Queen Otihime, Rocicante) and they're usually taken seriously unless you're Whitebeard-tier, and the standard firearm in the setting is a smoothbore musket or blackpowder pistol, that revolver is mentioned to be rare and high-tech. You'd think the WG would equip the Marines with the latest stuff they have given logistics is their main strength, but they may have their own supply chain issues.
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I always thought it'd be a bit interesting to have a straw hat that is just genuinely not good at fighting in any way shape or form. Usopp kind of was that for a while, but he also has always been very skilled at marksmanship and (especially after the time skip) has been pretty good at holding his own. Luffy obviously loves his crew and works hard to protect them, but I found it a little surprising that while he was building up his crew there was never really a temptation to get a better crew. He started off with the best swordsman, arguably the best navigator, the best chef, the best doctor, the best shipwright, etc. When I started reading I expected more that he'd get some decently skilled but overall middling crew members, but then over time they'd all improve and become the best at what they do. Obviously this happens and they all work hard to improve for the sake of the rest of the crew, but I feel like most of them started out possibly a bit too strong? I dunno. Getting back on topic, I just think it would be interesting for a straw hat to legitimately bring nothing to the crew other than their own friendship. It's probably too late for this, and wouldn't be interesting enough in the long run so they'd need to find something to work on and improve at, but then I feel it'd be very well-earned. This is more of a problem I have with anime in general, where the protagonist(s) is always unnaturally talented or gifted at something from the get go, which I feel kind of cheapens their growth a bit. I always find it more interesting when someone who isn't very skilled at something from the start works hard and manages to improve themselves to the point of being very skilled, as it's a much more realistic and nuanced look at things.
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Snazzy Frocks posted:Vivi is the useless straw hat We finally found the cursed opinion that pisses off everyone on every side of the "Vivi is/is not a Straw Hat" issue
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I mean I like Vivi and think she's a Strawhat but they're kinda right.
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Vivi has a duck with a cool hat, what's useless about her!?
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Karu should be next in line to rule Alabasta imo.
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She doesn't do anything useful
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Chopper is pretty useless. It's even sort of a plot point, like when Carrot upstaged him fighting Big Mom's fleet and he felt bad.
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Arist posted:Vivi has a duck with a cool hat, what's useless about her!? The duck with a cool hat was a much better strawhat.
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I always saw Vivi as the diplomat/"face" of the group (this is the role she plays in the Drum Kingdom arc, for instance), although Jimbei, Usopp, and even Luffy all play that role as well to varying degrees. If she were to rejoin the Straw Hats, she's have to get a Devil Fruit or something to give her some unique skills.
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Silver2195 posted:I always saw Vivi as the diplomat/"face" of the group (this is the role she plays in the Drum Kingdom arc, for instance), although Jimbei, Usopp, and even Luffy all play that role as well to varying degrees. If she were to rejoin the Straw Hats, she's have to get a Devil Fruit or something to give her some unique skills. She's doing real princess stuff with queens and kings and junk, I feel no special desire for her to rejoin the crew with the power to command the loyalty of summoned waterfowl or anything. She'll return to the story leading some army or political party or something and be rad that way.
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Silver2195 posted:I always saw Vivi as the diplomat/"face" of the group (this is the role she plays in the Drum Kingdom arc, for instance), although Jimbei, Usopp, and even Luffy all play that role as well to varying degrees. If she were to rejoin the Straw Hats, she's have to get a Devil Fruit or something to give her some unique skills. Yeah, at the moment she's still about on the level of Pre-Alabasta Nami and Usopp in terms of fighting ability. I personally don't really care if she becomes a full fledged member of the crew or not but it might be cool if she traveled with and/or fought alongside them again for a brief period at least (plus, I kind of want to see how she'd interact with Robin, Franky, Brook and, should he come back at some point and actually stick around, Jimbei). At the very least I'd like to see her and Karoo team up with the Strawhats plus Law (and possibly other allies as well) for the final battle, if only just to see the whole band back together one last time. Larryb fucked around with this message at 21:12 on Apr 27, 2019 |
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Mystic Mongol posted:She's doing real princess stuff with queens and kings and junk, I feel no special desire for her to rejoin the crew with the power to command the loyalty of summoned waterfowl or anything. There is nothing rad about monarchies. All the kings and queens in this series are no better than the fisbowl head guys
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Terror Sweat posted:There is nothing rad about monarchies. All the kings and queens in this series are no better than the fisbowl head guys The pirate king is rad.
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Dr Subterfuge posted:Chopper is pretty useless. It's even sort of a plot point, like when Carrot upstaged him fighting Big Mom's fleet and he felt bad. He's not great at fighting, but he's great at doctoring. Like every non-luffy straw hat would probably be dead if it wasn't for Chopper.
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CodfishCartographer posted:He's not great at fighting, but he's great at doctoring. Like every non-luffy straw hat would probably be dead if it wasn't for Chopper. He can doctor, but ever since Law has been in the alliance he's been mostly sidelined in that, too. He got to be useful on Zou at least.
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CodfishCartographer posted:He's not great at fighting, but he's great at doctoring. Like every non-luffy straw hat would probably be dead if it wasn't for Chopper. hes not even the best doctor theyre travelling with
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afaik chopper's had "I'm weaker than the rest but I want to be useful and pull my weight" as a character beat somewhat recurrently so this works out
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Terror Sweat posted:There is nothing rad about monarchies. All the kings and queens in this series are no better than the fisbowl head guys A fair argument in real-world terms, but One Piece's view has always tended towards "good kings good, bad kings bad." Even Dalton is a king, albeit one elected through universal suffrage. We do occasionally see republics in the One Piece world (e.g., Water 7), but I don't remember them ever being portrayed as inherently better or worse than monarchies.
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When are we going to see Zoro cut loose? He hasn't done that at all in the time skip.
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fluffyDeathbringer posted:afaik chopper's had "I'm weaker than the rest but I want to be useful and pull my weight" as a character beat somewhat recurrently so this works out It works a lot better with Usopp because Usopp actually does poo poo and is likable. Chopper has been barely a character for ages and seems to exist entirely because he's marketable rather than because he adds anything to the series.
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