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Apraxin posted:Even by the standards of the new European far-right, Vox are openly, gibberingly insane, them taking 10% of the vote/25 seats is still horrifying. It's like a whole party made up of Carl of Swindons. Hopefully it's the kind of Serious Concerns voting that gets UKIP a similar vote share before they implode into irrelevance, like THE EU!!!!! only this time it's CATALONIA!!! I mean it's still bad, but it could have been worse and they've failed to meet their own expectations so at least the europe-wide rise of the far right hasn't materialised in Spain to the degree they were hoping https://i.imgur.com/Bw3mIJF.mp4
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Anybody got a good resource/article talking about the various Spanish parties and their positions?
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cargohills posted:this is the core of SLab's problem imo. Leonard has made some progress on a few policies (e.g free buses) but in terms of engaging with people and actually understanding why Scottish nationalism and the SNP have an appeal, they're never going to get anywhere until they abandon their overly hostile attitude. some SNP supporters go too far with the "#SNPbad" shite but there is a grain of truth to it. This is something I don’t understand at all. Whenever the topic of defeating the SNP with regards to ScotLab comes up, this criticism is always levelled and I just don’t get it. Should they put-decorum them or something? Every “good idea” like this just plays into their hands, why would not being hostile to them work? The real issue is that ScotLab won’t focus on attacking from the left (see the aforementioned blairites not being ousted by a resurgent membership a la post 2015 in rUK), not that they’re hostile to the SNP. The SNP are centrist as all hell in an attempt to maintain their broad church of offending nobody while the main purpose is pushed. The quicker ScotLab uses this to their advantage by pushing the Overton window uncomfortably left for them, the better. Johann Lamont and that loving branch office comment was the biggest gift given to the nationalists outside of sharing a platform with the tories. I’d rather it was run as a loving branch office, it’d likely be a lot better than it is now.
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Sanitary Naptime posted:This is something I don’t understand at all. Whenever the topic of defeating the SNP with regards to ScotLab comes up, this criticism is always levelled and I just don’t get it. Should they put-decorum them or something? The issue is scotlab have to constantly defend themselves from the accusation of being a branch office as I think you mentioned Being ruled from England is not a popular platform in Scotland for obvious reasons and "we're not a real party we're a subsidiary run from London" is equally obviously a bad way to compete with the SNP whose whole platform is basically (and not without some truth) that they're the only real regional party that represents the scottish. You're right that a large part of the problem is that scotlab have done a terrible job at outflanking the SNP due to being lovely Blairites though. I'm not sure what they could do though, I mean... Kinda ironically if they weren't a branch office they could support independence, that woulda helped some. Whatever your views on it coming out as unionists really, Really hurt scotlab. (if you were a leftist living outside of England would you want to be ruled by Westminster? Hell, nobody itt wants to be ruled by Westminster!) Maybe socialist devomax? That's the only strategy I can think of that might work. You'd need a total party purge though since they seem to all be cobweb covered old boys and an injection of some new blood. Id do it but I have a very plummy English accent and my strict jihad against Hentai would probably just be confusing
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I think it's the way they contort themselves to turn every possible news item into an attack line on the SNP. It doesn't matter if something happens due to Westminster using powers that aren't devolved, or if it's a result of a decision that SLab voted in favour of, they'll still say it's Sturgeon's fault just as a reflex action. It's one thing to go on the offensive against the SNP, but it kind of stops having an effect when SLab are blaming Sturgeon for the weather for the 100th time this week.
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Sanitary Naptime posted:The real issue is that ScotLab won’t focus on attacking from the left (see the aforementioned blairites not being ousted by a resurgent membership a la post 2015 in rUK), not that they’re hostile to the SNP. This is correct. But i think the problem is that their hostility to the SNP often does not seem to come from this direction - and their messaging hasn't caught on well enough for their hostility from the left-wing perspective to catch on and be understood. Hentai Jihadist posted:Id do it but I have a very plummy English accent and my strict jihad against Hentai would probably just be confusing i assumed you were jihading for hentai, you should have a chat with your marketing team about making your brand clearer
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Back when Lamont was in charge there were numerous occasions where they tried putting out left policies only to have to walk them back when they were contradicted by UK Labour people. This was when the Miliband campaign was running on a Tory lite platform. As far as the hostility thing goes, it's hard to explain but if you've ever witnessed a labour campaigner trying to convince and SNP voter you'll know what it is. Something resentful, bitter, entitled, a bit smug. An insistence on declaring the SNP the worst party ever, kinda forgetting the Tories, getting real mad about the SNP doing stuff like keeping prescriptions and tuition free. A lack of any possible compromise or welcoming approach. A seeming insistence that there's no common ground whatsoever. Why would a leftist SNP voter vote for a party who don't seem to understand why he votes the way he does and just treats him like a criminal squandering their God given right to Scottish labour votes?
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Apr 29, 2019 00:36
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cargohills posted:
LOL the name was not my choice and I'm making the best of a bad situation with it
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Pershing posted:Anybody got a good resource/article talking about the various Spanish parties and their positions? Here are some of the highlights of Vox's platform: Deport illegal migrants to their countries of origin. Deport migrants who are legally in Spanish territory but who have committed minor offences or serious crimes. Strengthen our borders. Build an insurmountable wall in Ceuta and Melilla (Spanish cities on the African continent bordering Morocco). End the attraction: any migrant who enters Spain illegally will not be allowed to legalise their situation, ever. Eliminate the "arraigo" process that allows illegal migrants to stay in Spain under exceptional circumstances. Raise the levels of language ability, tax contributions and integration as requirements for citizenship. Drastic reduction of income tax. Elimination of property tax and inheritance tax. Protection of life from conception to natural death. Elimination of quotas (by sex or for any other reason) in electoral lists. Repeal gender violence law and any rule that discriminates against a person's sex. Instead, enact a law of intra-family violence that protects the elderly, men, women and children alike. Suppression of subsidised "radical feminist" organisations, effective prosecution of false allegations. Suspend Catalan autonomy until the unmitigated defeat of the coup. Legal protection for the symbols of the nation, especially the flag, the anthem and the crown. Increase sentences for offences against Spain and its symbols or emblems. Comprehensive programme to protect national identity and raise awareness of Spain's contribution to civilisation and universal history, with special attention to the deeds and exploits of our national heroes.
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Apraxin posted:The Beeb has an overview on their page reporting the election results (although for some godforsaken reason they decided the best format for it was to have you scroll down to the bottom of the page, click on a picture icon of an issue type, and then click on the picture of a party's leader to see only their specific policies on that one specific issue): https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-48081540 Thanks for the help but whoever designed that format should be shot.
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Franco really hosed up the Spanish national psyche, huh.
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I like how the first migrant paragraph is basically what the UK does already.
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Pershing posted:Anybody got a good resource/article talking about the various Spanish parties and their positions? Broadly (because I'm not an expert  ):PSOE - centre-left, Labour-ish, but in the pre-Corbyn sense. Currently in charge, and were trying to pass an anti-austerity budget backed by Podemos and a couple of Catalonian parties, but that got sunk (apart from the min wage bump) because of the crackdown on the Catalonian independence organisers, so the Catalonian parties noped out PP - right wing, Tories-like. Biggest party last time, just lost half their vote and Podemos (the second-biggest left party) is like 1.5% behind them! nice Unidos Podemos - left-wing, formed as an anti-austerity party. Backed PSOE and almost gained ground over them, but PSOE kinda hosed them over a bit - there are not-particularly-leftist elements in PSOE if you can believe it! Ciudadanos - centre-right, neolibs, a bit like the Lib Dems if they were successful and dropped the pretence of wanting socially progressive things. Basically an alternative to the PP, and very anti-catalonian independence Vox - very right-wing, got a big boost from the nationalist anger around Catalonia trying to secede (also part of that was Catalonia saying it's not fair that you're taking our wealth which obviously didn't go down well in poorer parts of Spain). The usual lovely blood and soil authoritarianism + extremely online takes about feminazis, apparently they get a lot of media attention despite having small rallies and more elite than popular support? SOUNDS FAMILIAR SOMEHOW ERC - left-wing Catalonian independence-havers e- here's an interview with a Podemos MP, gives you more of a sense of what's going on and what the left is up to https://tribunemag.co.uk/2019/04/battle-for-spains-soul quote:Unlike the British Labour Party, the PSOE has not managed to reconnect with the historic principles of social democracy. Pedro Sánchez is a technocrat who for tactical reasons has assumed some of the Left’s rhetoric but is more similar to Tony Blair than to Jeremy Corbyn. In terms of confronting business interests, he has been weak. We agreed in the budget deal to regulate prices in the rental market, but in the end Sánchez had no appetite to take on the banks and investment funds that dominate the sector. also as far as things develop from here: quote:It is also clear that part of the Socialist Party is preparing for a government with Ciudadanos [Cs]. This is the preferred coalition for the economic elites and Brussels — a government that will guarantee financial stability while isolating the extreme right. We have to explain to voters the massive difference between a PSOE pact with Cs and one with the Left. Cs has made clear it opposes the increase in the minimum wage and wouldn’t take measures to improve the welfare of working families. Our job is to get that message across while crystallising our program into four or five measures that explain our priorities. baka kaba fucked around with this message at 01:29 on Apr 29, 2019 |
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Sucks to hear about the CLPs mentioned ITT. I'm lucky, the group I met the other night was a very mixed bunch of Old Labour and young lefties all staunchly pro Corbyn and god loving help you if you say a word against the man. The MP invited to speak got dogpiled for saying "things aren't perfect in head office" on the off chance there was a journo in the room ready to jump on it. Was fun. Seriously. I'm so happy to be involved with my local folks I should have done it years ago. The Pissflaps stuff remains weird.
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Looks like Farage has been telling americans about more no-go areas where if you speak English mate you get hauled off to sharia court!!quote:He told the Young America’s Foundation: “I could take you to a town called Oldham in the north of England where literally on one side of the street everybody is white and on the other side of the street everybody is black. The twain never actually meet, there is no assimilation. Whole streets in Oldham of people who have lived in my country for over 30 years who don’t speak a word of the English language. These, folks, are divided societies in which resentments build and grow.” turns out Oldham is a land of contrasts? The Guardian is on the case quote:Waiting for a bus on Oxford Street in Oldham’s Werneth ward on Sunday, John Worswick thought Farage had a point. The 65-year-old, who is reconsidering his Brexit vote after realising it might complicate matters for his Lithuanian girlfriend, said Farage “gets misinterpreted”. quote:Worswick, a retired electrical engineer, said he would like to move to Saddleworth, a hilly – and very (97%) white – part of Oldham, but couldn’t afford it. “When I first moved here in 1982 I’d say it was 80% white, 20% Asian. It would be nice to have more white people around … people might say ‘I have friends in other communities’, but for most people that isn’t true,” he said.
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Apr 29, 2019 01:44
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Jesus loving christ, it’s “paedo”. It has an A in it.
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Apr 29, 2019 01:50
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ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:Toby Young is also so terminally thin-skinned that if you dare mention that the only reason he got into university was because of his dad, he will block you on twitter. It's actually amazing Naaaah I've done it like, 8 times and he hasn't blocked me yet. baka kaba posted:
Here you go bud.  (by me) Kinda wish I'd used different colours for the text but I'm not gonna go gently caress around with it now.
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Can’t believe people were talking about the Scottish being left-wing when I just watched thousands of them siege Winterfell and murder hundreds.
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Comrade Fakename posted:Can’t believe people were talking about the Scottish being left-wing when I just watched thousands of them siege Winterfell and murder hundreds. LOL What the gently caress is up with HBO, no 4k let alone hdr and their codec is loving awful JFairfax fucked around with this message at 05:05 on Apr 29, 2019 |
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Apr 29, 2019 04:58
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lolllllll I go to bed and the scotnat brigade starts calling labour politicians pedophiles
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Coohoolin posted:Back when Lamont was in charge there were numerous occasions where they tried putting out left policies only to have to walk them back when they were contradicted by UK Labour people. This was when the Miliband campaign was running on a Tory lite platform. This has caused me in inadvertently remember how timid, cowardly and poo poo Labour were 2010 - 2014 and now my week is off to a bad start.
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HopperUK posted:I was in London on Friday and the explosion of rough sleeping filled me with a rage I haven't known before perhaps ever. It's a good anger but it can wear you out emotionally, and that's not helpful for you or for your capacity for action. At least long term. What you have to do is take that anger and sharpen into something cold and ruthless and calm and implacable. I'm not great at this myself, but I'm working on it.
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WhatEvil posted:Naaaah I've done it like, 8 times and he hasn't blocked me yet. Btw this is really good and I hope it spreads around on all of the Social Medias. Anyway, what's ringing, my belles? Bman, I want to hear your uni story.
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Apraxin posted:Build an insurmountable wall in Ceuta and Melilla (Spanish cities on the African continent bordering Morocco). Apraxin posted:Drastic reduction of income tax. baka kaba posted:I could take you to a town called Oldham in the north of England where literally on one side of the street everybody is white and on the other side of the street everybody is black. Comrade Fakename posted:Jesus loving christ, it’s “paedo”. It has an A in it.
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Hentai Jihadist posted:Not as far as I know I was talking about the scotlab leader I'd say this is less paedo and more a face of a man who wants you to come back to his house and swing with his wife
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Feel like jimmy saville kind of eclipsed all other possible manifestations of pedo face both in terms of having a weird creepy face and being a pedo.
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Apr 29, 2019 08:17
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Apr 29, 2019 08:18
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Scikar posted:I think it's the way they contort themselves to turn every possible news item into an attack line on the SNP. It doesn't matter if something happens due to Westminster using powers that aren't devolved, or if it's a result of a decision that SLab voted in favour of, they'll still say it's Sturgeon's fault just as a reflex action. It's one thing to go on the offensive against the SNP, but it kind of stops having an effect when SLab are blaming Sturgeon for the weather for the 100th time this week. On the subject of blaming the SNP for the weather: their spokesbod for climate change turned up to last week's SEON meeting not knowing what the current policy was on carbon reduction.
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Guavanaut posted:Why do all the 'pro life' groups want life to suck much more? It's because they're not pro life, they're just anti abortion. Bugman tell the story!
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Guavanaut posted:Gary Glitter's Mr. Miyagi phase was peak pedoface too. That's a very particular look to "Sex monster retiree in SE Asia" though, equally valid but it's its own thing
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Lol that seat prediction https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1122763539746258944?s=19
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Miftan posted:It's because they're not pro life, they're just anti abortion. They utterly fail at selling life as a concept so they have to force it. fascism dot txt Failed Imagineer posted:That's a very particular look to "Sex monster retiree in SE Asia" though, equally valid but it's its own thing Not want want, but I am compelled 
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Guavanaut posted:I feel like the two go hand in hand in that "let's make life loving suck" has to pair with "also let's make it mandatory, because otherwise nobody would choose this bullshit that we've turned life into." I wish I could have one conversation with you that doesn't devolve into Benatar.
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Guavanaut posted:I want to know more about how wide a thing this is, and how it differs from the domestic nonce. Not sure, because it's a theory I've created in the last two mins, but it's 100% correct
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Miftan posted:I wish I could have one conversation with you that doesn't devolve into Benatar. It explains a lot about the mentality of the pro-lifer, they never want to go for the Belgian model (one of the lowest abortion rates in Europe) where you make sure that everyone is well supported should they choose to bring a life into the world, it's always "slash public services, also ban abortion and sex education". Failed Imagineer posted:Not sure, because it's a theory I've created in the last two mins, but it's 100% correct
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Guavanaut posted:Benatar would say that no life is worth bringing into existence. I'm not going that hard today (even if it is Monday morning), just saying that life in low tax low services fash hellscapes sound like they'd suck poo poo, so the fascist has to make life mandatory in order to keep people coming into existence. I think the trick is that it won't suck for the rich feudal Lords it'll create, and the jokers advocating for that always think they'll end up on top. The people who are already rich are right, they probably will end up on top but their life is already super solid. The bootlickers will not end up on top but love clinging to the fantasy that is (usually) based on race/sex/gender/being a lobster.
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