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Tokelau All Star
Feb 23, 2008

THE TAXES! THE FINGER THING MEANS THE TAXES!

Yesterday I finished court unexpectedly early so instead of going back to the office I pulled a Don Draper and caught an Avengers matinee. I felt mildly guilty about it until I saw a dude from the county attorney's office at the same showing.

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grenada
Apr 20, 2013
Relax.

Mr. Nice! posted:

I’m interested but haven’t found anything where I’m qualified. Most posts I’ve seen require 2-5 years practice where I’m not officially at a year yet, even. So I’ve got to build up my resume more.

Also most fed jobs mean I have to move to DC and I don’t know if I want to do that. I mean, i’ve only been there once and didn’t really experience anything more than a hotel and interviews with some engineers and an admiral.

You just need to get your first Federal job, then you can switch. Management and Program Analysts and Contract Specialists are two job series that tend to get lots of people with law degrees. In the past month two people I that worked in other parts of my agency jumped into agency Attorney positions after spending 3-4 years in their prior role. Having veterans preference will make it much easier to get through USAJobs for that initial role. Also since you have veteran's preference you can hop between agencies getting grade increases quickly as soon as you have your one year at grade level for common job series, so don't be shy about taking a GS-7 or GS-9 if the job sounds interesting.

Alaemon
Jan 4, 2009

Proctors are guardians of the sanctity and integrity of legal education, therefore they are responsible for the nourishment of the soul.

Tokelau All Star posted:

Yesterday I finished court unexpectedly early so instead of going back to the office I pulled a Don Draper and caught an Avengers matinee. I felt mildly guilty about it until I saw a dude from the county attorney's office at the same showing.

I so rarely get to Draper but it is one of the best feelings. Even when it's just going home to Netflix. Just walking out of the office while other people are working is a true joy.

sullat
Jan 9, 2012

Discendo Vox posted:

TCO. Gotta take what I can get and it really does seem to be an automatic qualify. I’m taking phase 3 tests now.

Phase 3 tests? Sounds promising. Is that more advanced than the accounting test they make you take?

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

This does not make sense when, again, aggregate indicia also indicate improvements. The belief that things are worse is false. It remains false.
It's the third series of online tests, this one is also on accounting, but we're finally getting into simulated TCO duties, supposedly.

The accounting tests are all soul-crushing because they frequently test concepts not covered in any of the basics books I have been reading, but they're also so badly designed I can usually brute force a correct answer by reverse testing all the others.

sullat
Jan 9, 2012

Discendo Vox posted:

It's the third series of online tests, this one is also on accounting, but we're finally getting into simulated TCO duties, supposedly.

The accounting tests are all soul-crushing because they frequently test concepts not covered in any of the basics books I have been reading, but they're also so badly designed I can usually brute force a correct answer by reverse testing all the others.

I applied for that job and so far it's only been one online test and an interview. Results are supposed to be out mid-May.

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

This does not make sense when, again, aggregate indicia also indicate improvements. The belief that things are worse is false. It remains false.

sullat posted:

I applied for that job and so far it's only been one online test and an interview. Results are supposed to be out mid-May.

Did you have any problems logging into the testing site, because the same ID and pass values that worked for the last two, which it gave me again for this one, suddenly don't freaking work. My having a different trajectory is already frustrating enough.

edit: nevermind, I figured it out. They committed a colossal error in their communications system.

terrorist ambulance
Nov 5, 2009
Does every young lawyer have the same problem where they either hugely overestimate or underestimate their abilities

Every second year call I run into lately is either deeply, needlessly, obviously anxious, or unbearably swaggering and pompous and self-assured in their own abilities. doesn't seem like there's any in between

Soothing Vapors
Mar 26, 2006

Associate Justice Lena "Kegels" Dunham: An uncool thought to have: 'is that guy walking in the dark behind me a rapist? Never mind, he's Asian.
having been one: the swaggering ones are overcompensating because they don't know how to deal with the existential dread they feel every goddamn day

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

This does not make sense when, again, aggregate indicia also indicate improvements. The belief that things are worse is false. It remains false.

sullat posted:

I applied for that job and so far it's only been one online test and an interview. Results are supposed to be out mid-May.

Also, good luck!

LeschNyhan
Sep 2, 2006

https://globalnews.ca/news/5207753/prominent-ontario-lawyer-pleads-guilty-to-bigamy-forging-divorce-documents/

:psyduck:

Whatever you’re going through, reach out for help and talk to someone before it comes to this. I’m actually pretty happy the Law Society has free counselling support. It’s been helpful even for me and I’m nowhere near as deep as a lot of lawyers.

Take care law goons.

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

This does not make sense when, again, aggregate indicia also indicate improvements. The belief that things are worse is false. It remains false.
I don't...understand why he did that.

Vox Nihili
May 28, 2008

terrorist ambulance posted:

Does every young lawyer have the same problem where they either hugely overestimate or underestimate their abilities

Every second year call I run into lately is either deeply, needlessly, obviously anxious, or unbearably swaggering and pompous and self-assured in their own abilities. doesn't seem like there's any in between

Sounds to me like inexperienced lawyers deal with anxiety in different ways.

evilweasel
Aug 24, 2002

Discendo Vox posted:

I don't...understand why he did that.

sounds like someone who got caught in a lie and responded by doubling down over and over and over again rather than tell his wife he wanted a divorce

blarzgh
Apr 14, 2009

SNITCHIN' RANDY
Grimey Drawer
Imagine a lawyer being too afraid of confrontation to just file for his own divorce.




inversely, imagine a wife so terrible that an actual lawyer was too afraid of her to actually file for divorce.

evilweasel
Aug 24, 2002

blarzgh posted:

Imagine a lawyer being too afraid of confrontation to just file for his own divorce.




inversely, imagine a wife so terrible that an actual lawyer was too afraid of her to actually file for divorce.

i sort of wonder if he was just lying to the mistress about planning on getting a divorce and was just going to try to maintain two families

edit: yep, he was trying to keep his wife, while having a pretend marriage with his mistress to keep her happy:

quote:

On May 23, 2018, just 11 days after the wedding, Morton met with York Regional Police and told them he was still married to Rhonda Shousterman. He told investigators he was living at his office in Hamilton, but still resided with his wife in theory and was “back and forth” with his wife. He also said there were some problems in the marriage, but he was trying to work it out.

the real question is how on earth he planned to manage the logistics of this lie considering that since his mistress is someone who works for him, she'd know if he tried to lie about working late/traveling to cover for when he spent time with his real wife

evilweasel fucked around with this message at 21:02 on Apr 29, 2019

Kawasaki Nun
Jul 16, 2001

by Reene
Never promise your mistress a child

El_Elegante
Jul 3, 2004

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Biscuit Hider
Always marry Kitty Sanchez.

blarzgh
Apr 14, 2009

SNITCHIN' RANDY
Grimey Drawer
If I asked Mrs. Blarzgh for a divorce she would breath such a sigh of relief it would blow the windows out of our living room

Phil Moscowitz
Feb 19, 2007

If blood be the price of admiralty,
Lord God, we ha' paid in full!

blarzgh posted:

If I asked Mrs. Blarzgh for a divorce she would breath such a sigh of relief it would blow the windows out of our living room

Lol

Oddly most of the lawyer couples I know aren’t divorced. Of course, in 100% of them one half eventually got out of law and into something less obnoxious

Vox Nihili
May 28, 2008

blarzgh posted:

If I asked Mrs. Blarzgh for a divorce she would breath such a sigh of relief it would blow the windows out of our living room

Hilarious!

Mr. Nice!
Oct 13, 2005

bone shaking.
soul baking.

Phil Moscowitz posted:

Lol

Oddly most of the lawyer couples I know aren’t divorced. Of course, in 100% of them one half eventually got out of law and into something less obnoxious

I work for a lawyer couple and both are in their mid 70s. One barely reads and composes emails on a computer. The other can use the computer, but since she only used word perfect for decades she can't use word very well.

Toona the Cat
Jun 9, 2004

The Greatest

Kawasaki Nun posted:

Never promise your mistress a child

Good advice.

Edit: also, finally taking the bar in July.

Kawasaki Nun
Jul 16, 2001

by Reene

Toona the Cat posted:

Good advice.

Edit: also, finally taking the bar in July.

I thought things were so great in bank land? Why waste the time / money / effort to pass the bar when you have to pay a bunch of fees and insurance?

Are you gonna sue someone you don't like?

Toona the Cat
Jun 9, 2004

The Greatest

Kawasaki Nun posted:

I thought things were so great in bank land? Why waste the time / money / effort to pass the bar when you have to pay a bunch of fees and insurance?

Are you gonna sue someone you don't like?

Things are indeed great and I’ll never enter another court room except as a plaintiff in divorce. However having my bar license is a bump in pay scale which is about a 20% pay increase.

Nice piece of fish
Jan 29, 2008

Ultra Carp

Toona the Cat posted:

Things are indeed great and I’ll never enter another court room except as a plaintiff in divorce. However having my bar license is a bump in pay scale which is about a 20% pay increase.

Man I gotta go work for a bank too. What's the trick, do I just go up to a teller and ask them if they are of the chosen people?

Look Sir Droids
Jan 27, 2015

The tracks go off in this direction.

Toona the Cat posted:

Things are indeed great and I’ll never enter another court room except as a plaintiff in divorce. However having my bar license is a bump in pay scale which is about a 20% pay increase.

Private companies do automatic bumps like that? Are they paying your exam fees?

“Hmmm, Mr. Toona has a law license. Why isn’t he a lawyer? Why are we paying him 20% more instead of getting someone with slightly less experience that won’t leave us for a lawyer job?”

Soothing Vapors
Mar 26, 2006

Associate Justice Lena "Kegels" Dunham: An uncool thought to have: 'is that guy walking in the dark behind me a rapist? Never mind, he's Asian.
beginning to suspect Toona is a DVox roleplay account

Toona the Cat
Jun 9, 2004

The Greatest

Nice piece of fish posted:

Man I gotta go work for a bank too. What's the trick, do I just go up to a teller and ask them if they are of the chosen people?

Oddly enough my notoriously unhelpful career services office got me the interview.

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

This does not make sense when, again, aggregate indicia also indicate improvements. The belief that things are worse is false. It remains false.

Soothing Vapors posted:

beginning to suspect Toona is a DVox roleplay account

Jesus Christ what did I ever do to deserve this sort of treatment.

Look Sir Droids
Jan 27, 2015

The tracks go off in this direction.

Soothing Vapors posted:

beginning to suspect Toona is a DVox roleplay account

lol

Nice piece of fish
Jan 29, 2008

Ultra Carp

Discendo Vox posted:

Jesus Christ what did I ever do to deserve this sort of treatment.

Doth protest too much?

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

This does not make sense when, again, aggregate indicia also indicate improvements. The belief that things are worse is false. It remains false.
These accusations are very hurtful. If I was roleplaying a poster here, by this point I would have married my study partner, dropped out of law school, become a trophy husband and begun an affair with my personal trainer.

Vox Nihili
May 28, 2008

Discendo Vox posted:

These accusations are very hurtful. If I was roleplaying a poster here, by this point I would have married my study partner, dropped out of law school, become a trophy husband and begun an affair with my personal trainer.

So basically you'd make something up that's functionally identical to the Toona saga. Hmm.

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

This does not make sense when, again, aggregate indicia also indicate improvements. The belief that things are worse is false. It remains false.
I am deeply offended on my own behalf, on the behalf of my fictional wife, and on the behalf of Lee, my fictional but very studly personal trainer

Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 17:19 on Apr 30, 2019

Eminent Domain
Sep 23, 2007



Soothing Vapors posted:

beginning to suspect Toona is a DVox roleplay account

lol gently caress

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

This does not make sense when, again, aggregate indicia also indicate improvements. The belief that things are worse is false. It remains false.
How does my avatar keep getting better

Mr. Nice!
Oct 13, 2005

bone shaking.
soul baking.

Discendo Vox posted:

How does my avatar keep getting better

loving :lol:

Soothing Vapors
Mar 26, 2006

Associate Justice Lena "Kegels" Dunham: An uncool thought to have: 'is that guy walking in the dark behind me a rapist? Never mind, he's Asian.

Discendo Vox posted:

How does my avatar keep getting better

lmfao that is art

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Tokelau All Star
Feb 23, 2008

THE TAXES! THE FINGER THING MEANS THE TAXES!

"I know about the law! I'm gonna be a lawyer someday! I got a 141 on the LSAT!"

Yeah, ok chief.

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