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This live stream is from the Altamira interchange in Caracas, near La Carlota. It's been pretty steady so far: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQ-VHIpaXRY https://twitter.com/netblocks/status/1123178873401876480
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Everything depends on just how widespread the national guard and SEBIN (!) support actually is. Here's hoping this ends quickly instead of all out civil war.
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Footage from the opposition position on the Altamira bridge, apparently coming under live fire just a few minutes ago: https://twitter.com/ConflictsW/status/1123206120913477638 National Guard soldiers arresting another group of National Guard soldiers. Unsure who is with whom: https://twitter.com/ReporteYa/status/1123206711672803329
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Hey, isnt Guaido still trying to get an amnesty bill passed? AFAIK nothing's been written into law. I might be off base here, but Guaido wanted a pretty open ended amnesty law. Especially with the Guaido-ite in Spain that got arrested for drug smuggling charges, i don't see where his military support would come from without the amnesty bill.
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uninterrupted posted:Hey, isnt Guaido still trying to get an amnesty bill passed? AFAIK nothing's been written into law. Amnesty bill was passed back in January. It's in effect.
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Well if this is the beginning of a revolution hopefully it resolves with the minimum amount of bloodshed possible
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Discendo Vox posted:It's still not a coup. 
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Hopefully Guaido and his rebels are swiftly putdown and arrested with no loss of life.
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Chuck Boone posted:Amnesty bill was passed back in January. It's in effect. You sure it was in January? This article is from February and said it hadnt been passed yet. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/07/world/americas/venezuela-amnesty.html This article from 2/20 says it was stalled in the NA https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-02-20/guaido-amnesty-for-venezuelan-army-stalls-in-his-own-legislature
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Guess it was only a matter of time before this finally happened. Here's hoping it ends quickly.
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Eduardo Bolsonaro, one of the sons ofJair Bolsonaro, is going to the border with Venezuela, to "assert the situation" or something He is the one who many times publicly defended Brazil joining the USA in a military intervention in Venezuela Elias_Maluco fucked around with this message at 15:04 on Apr 30, 2019 |
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Chuck Boone posted:Guaido has cast the die. How did Lopez get out? I can't imagine they just let him out, but also can't imagine that he would not let himself out and then do this unless he was pretty confident in its outcome. I hope this works out quickly... that feed you posted is looking surprisingly calm.
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cargo cult posted:this is kind of a dumb tangent but is Guiado white or mestizo? like is there a racial component to support for the opposition and its leadership vs support for Mauro
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Man I just turned on the tv randomly. What’s going on?
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Hopefully Nicolás Maduro stops illegally occupying the Venezuelan government and surrenders the office to the legitimate elected president, Juan Guaidó, in an orderly fashion so that the PSUV's coup can be put down with a minimum of violence.
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caberham posted:Man I just turned on the tv randomly. What’s going on? Opposition has called for an all-out revolt and has at least part of the military behind them, looks like.
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I’m checking Chinese news and social media, “only a small presence of protestors and military , situation is under control” Whereas CNN is OMG poo poo IS GOING DOWN
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The Guardian is calling it a coup.
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Saladman posted:How did Lopez get out? I can't imagine they just let him out, but also can't imagine that he would not let himself out and then do this unless he was pretty confident in its outcome. Lopez said that he was released by his captors. That would be the SEBIN/DGCIM. A couple of live streams: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQ-VHIpaXRY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyIjRxYDD04 https://www.reuters.tv/l/Pw2p/2019/04/30/view-of-caracas-following-guaido-statement-at-military-base
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Does Russia has any not-soldiers in Venezuela right now?
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Saladman posted:How did Lopez get out? I can't imagine they just let him out, but also can't imagine that he would not let himself out and then do this unless he was pretty confident in its outcome. Lopez has been trying to violently overthrow the government and getting slapped on the wrist for it for 17 years. For an Evil Autocaratic Fascist No Good Very Bad Dictator Maduro is really bad at doing anything to dissidents besides saying "stawwwp". Same with Chavez RIP.
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caberham posted:Man I just turned on the tv randomly. What’s going on? A coup attempt.
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So I decided to look up Stratfor's US Navy tracker, which keeps updates on US carrier strike groups and amphibious ready groups (Marines, basically). The most recent update is a few days old, and caveats apply (Ships could have set sail since then, or the information might not be accurate), but I thought it was interesting that there don't appear to be any carriers anywhere near Venezuelan waters. Could be an indication that, even if the US is willing to back the opposition with words, they're not prepared to actually intervene militarily.
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caberham posted:Man I just turned on the tv randomly. What’s going on? Guiado called for an outright revolt, as usual he has like less than a hundred actual soldier defections and one of the other 'let's violently overthrow the PSUV' faction members (leaders? Forgot) was released from house arrest during a protest. Nothing's actually happening.
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Acebuckeye13 posted:So I decided to look up Stratfor's US Navy tracker, which keeps updates on US carrier strike groups and amphibious ready groups (Marines, basically). The most recent update is a few days old, and caveats apply (Ships could have set sail since then, or the information might not be accurate), but I thought it was interesting that there don't appear to be any carriers anywhere near Venezuelan waters. Could be an indication that, even if the US is willing to back the opposition with words, they're not prepared to actually intervene militarily. I wouldn't be surprised if USNS Comfort and friends head down there though
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Kobayashi posted:The Guardian is calling it a coup. first Bloomberg, now the Guardian. how deep do the Madurite connections go...
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Rust Martialis posted:The US has to recognize *someone* as the government of Venezuela. That's how states work. No they don't?
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Elias_Maluco posted:Does Russia has any not-soldiers in Venezuela right now? Yeah, they've got military advisors in VZ. Russia said they wouldn't interfere this morning; more than anything I think they're there to preclude US military action. If Guaido's successful somehow Id guess they'll just walk? Can't really fight an entire military with two planeloads of troops.
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Moridin920 posted:No they don't? Yes, let the US refuse to recognize any Venezuelan government. This is a idea put forward by you, a great thinker.
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ltugo posted:Is everyone frantically keeping up with Twitter right now? Yes, I'm not going to get poo poo done today besides pressing F5.
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Rust Martialis posted:Yes, let the US refuse to recognize any Venezuelan government. This is a idea put forward by you, a great thinker. I didn't put the idea forward. I'm just saying that your post wasn't accurate nor is that 'how states work.' Relax. Right out the gate with the insult. e: More specifically, I'm saying your insinuation that 'the USA just *has* to pick one or the other so it must be the opposition because Maduro sucks' is a false dilemma. Moridin920 fucked around with this message at 15:40 on Apr 30, 2019 |
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This is Guaido's last stand. If he succeeds, Venezuela will be plunged into a civil war. If he fails, the Venezuelan opposition will collapse. Their dreams of a 4th Republic Restoration will be just dreams.
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Acebuckeye13 posted:So I decided to look up Stratfor's US Navy tracker, which keeps updates on US carrier strike groups and amphibious ready groups (Marines, basically). The most recent update is a few days old, and caveats apply (Ships could have set sail since then, or the information might not be accurate), but I thought it was interesting that there don't appear to be any carriers anywhere near Venezuelan waters. Could be an indication that, even if the US is willing to back the opposition with words, they're not prepared to actually intervene militarily. The carrier in venezuelan waters is called "puerto rico"
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Jkid posted:If he fails, the Venezuelan opposition will collapse. Their dreams of a 4th Republic Restoration will be just dreams. If he fails to preserve the democratically elected government against the Maduro coup, then Venezuela will continue to deteriorate into a failed state condition, because the fundamental problem (no one has basic necessities of life because of socialism, there's no peaceful means to change the regime, and removing sanctions won't change that) is still there no matter how many devoted readers of Jacobin post on the Internet otherwise. The "opposition" to dying as a slave is inherent in humanity and can't be extinguished, the only question is whether that impulse will be able to change Venezeula before everyone on all sides aside from the narcoterrorist elite dies of starvation.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:The carrier in venezuelan waters is called "puerto rico"
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:The carrier in venezuelan waters is called "puerto rico" Staging an invasion of venezuela might finally get the US to repair puerto rican infrastructure!
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Rent-A-Cop posted:The only major US airbase on PR closed 15 years ago. We still stage there on PR owned air bases.
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CommieGIR posted:PR owned air bases.
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