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Squalid posted:I mean I watched an armored car plow into a crowd of protestors and run a guy over on a livestream, who was then carried away by the crowd. That definitely happened. If you want to argue about this it might be a better tack to say he deserved it, for throwing rocks and petrol bombs or at least being near people who were. An even more sophisticated argument would be that actually, Guaido is to blame for this guy getting run over for inciting riots. Claiming we can’t really know if it happened or not probably isn’t a winning argument. They're not trying to "win," they just want to muddy the waters to the point where things start being too confused for less interested people to keep up.
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Rust Martialis posted:Uh, one armored car running over a few people is not 'masses of tanks'. I mean it's horrific, but no need to exaggerate like the 'THEY'RE LYNCHING BLACKS' claim. Except they actually do lynch black people.
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Apr 30, 2019 19:12
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Apoplexy posted:He was throwing Molotovs, you can even check the stream. He was possibly a 'plainclothes soldier' member of the coup attempt forces. Him getting killed is a good thing, objectively. Guaido is to blame for his death because Guaido is willingly allowing himself to be used by the US/CIA as a bagman for stealing Venezuela's democratic sovereignty. lol just doing some normal analysis unfettered by ideology or allegiance.
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Apr 30, 2019 19:15
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AFancyQuestionMark posted:Wow! The IDF spokesman posts on SA? A rock isn't a Molotov cocktail. You'll note that the majority of Palestinians murdered are wielding, at most, rocks. Sometimes nothing at all. Sometimes they're in a wheelchair with a sling. Sometimes they're a nurse. Or a child. Someone keeps saying they were throwing 'rocks or molotovs or whatever' as if throwing an incendiary implement at a military vehicle isn't aggression. It is. And, in spite of the 'BOTH SIDES!!!' narrative, a Palestinian fighting against their occupiers conducting a prolonged genocide isn't the same as a loving capitalist scumbag trying to overthrow the rightful, popularly-supported socialist government of a country.
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The difference is Palestinians are fighting against a UN condemned foreign occupation and the pro-Guaido protestors are fighting for a UN condemned foreign occupation.
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Apoplexy posted:A rock isn't a Molotov cocktail. You'll note that the majority of Palestinians murdered are wielding, at most, rocks. Sometimes nothing at all. Sometimes they're in a wheelchair with a sling. Sometimes they're a nurse. Or a child. "My tank was extremely threatened by dudes throwing bottles so I drove towards them in self defense."
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Apr 30, 2019 19:18
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Apoplexy posted:He was throwing Molotovs, you can even check the stream. He was possibly a 'plainclothes soldier' member of the coup attempt forces. Him getting killed is a good thing, objectively. Guaido is to blame for his death because Guaido is willingly allowing himself to be used by the US/CIA as a bagman for stealing Venezuela's democratic sovereignty. source your quotes pls
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Apr 30, 2019 19:20
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NTN24 has footage of the local police in a firefight with colectivos armados in the Ministry of Transportation building: https://twitter.com/NTN24ve/status/1123289784888303616
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Apr 30, 2019 19:20
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Rent-A-Cop posted:"My tank was extremely threatened by dudes throwing bottles so I drove towards them in self defense." Look, I said it before and I'll say it again: Good. I mean, they deserve to die for being capitalist, insurrectionary scum and that's a good way to do it without expending much except a little bit of maintenance on an IFV, but it is a bit sad... That they weren't killed many years before now.
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Apr 30, 2019 19:22
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THS posted:The difference is Palestinians are fighting against a UN condemned foreign occupation and the pro-Guaido protestors are fighting for a UN condemned foreign occupation. Must have missed the the UN General Assembly vote condemning the many violations of international law commited by Guaido's armed forces in their occupation of native PSUV land.
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Apr 30, 2019 19:22
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Apoplexy posted:Look, I said it before and I'll say it again: Good. I mean, they deserve to die for being capitalist, insurrectionary scum and that's a good way to do it without expending much except a little bit of maintenance on an IFV, but it is a bit sad... That they weren't killed many years before now. get help
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Apr 30, 2019 19:24
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Apoplexy posted:Look, I said it before and I'll say it again: Good. I mean, they deserve to die for being capitalist, insurrectionary scum and that's a good way to do it without expending much except a little bit of maintenance on an IFV, but it is a bit sad... That they weren't killed many years before now. i'm really glad you can tell that someone is "capitalist, insurrectionary scum" solely by how they died, that's mighty leftist of you seek help
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It's all going to be fine, guys. We'll listen to JOHN loving BOLTON with open minds and then curiously settle upon the one choice available to us liberals: That John Bolton, Donald Trump, Exxon, and Elliot loving Abrams are somehow in the right and that they're going to bring peace and prosperity and food and medicine to the Venezuelan people that they had NO PART in the ailments of to this point. 
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Apoplexy posted:It's all going to be fine, guys. We'll listen to JOHN loving BOLTON with open minds and then curiously settle upon the one choice available to us liberals: That John Bolton, Donald Trump, Exxon, and Elliot loving Abrams are somehow in the right and that they're going to bring peace and prosperity and food and medicine to the Venezuelan people that they had NO PART in the ailments of to this point. you think the venzuelan people should die
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Apr 30, 2019 19:31
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Apoplexy posted:It's all going to be fine, guys. We'll listen to JOHN loving BOLTON with open minds and then curiously settle upon the one choice available to us liberals: That John Bolton, Donald Trump, Exxon, and Elliot loving Abrams are somehow in the right and that they're going to bring peace and prosperity and food and medicine to the Venezuelan people that they had NO PART in the ailments of to this point. Sounds like guilt by association. The CIA is providing support with no strings attached. This is humanitarian.
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Apr 30, 2019 19:32
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kumba posted:i'm really glad you can tell that someone is "capitalist, insurrectionary scum" solely by how they died, that's mighty leftist of you I can see how they died on a video, a video which earlier showed them throwing Molotov cocktails at Maduro's armed forces trying to keep the peace and put down a coup. The only problem is that nobody overlaid the sound of someone getting a kill in C&C Renegade over it. DOINK! (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Apoplexy posted:I can see how they died on a video, a video which earlier showed them throwing Molotov cocktails at Maduro's armed forces trying to keep the peace and put down a coup. The only problem is that nobody overlaid the sound of someone getting a kill in C&C Renegade over it. DOINK! you seem like a sociopath
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Apr 30, 2019 19:33
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kumba posted:i'm really glad you can tell that someone is "capitalist, insurrectionary scum" solely by how they died, that's mighty leftist of you there's also the part where they're supporting a foreign-backed capitalist coup
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Apr 30, 2019 19:33
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Extremely cool that some posters are back to the "people that don't share my politics should be violently murdered" mode.
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Apr 30, 2019 19:34
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Apoplexy posted:I can see how they died on a video, a video which earlier showed them throwing Molotov cocktails at Maduro's armed forces trying to keep the peace and put down a coup. The only problem is that nobody overlaid the sound of someone getting a kill in C&C Renegade over it. DOINK! RottenK posted:there's also the part where they're supporting a foreign-backed capitalist coup if you're ostensibly on the side of the venezuelan people, you should perhaps reconsider the part where you want venezuelans to die
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Apr 30, 2019 19:35
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AFancyQuestionMark posted:you think the venzuelan people should die It turns out that gusanos are pretty internationalist. They weren't the 'Venezuelan people'; they were capitalist pawns and greedy golems animated of fecal matter. They are openly demanding, for the Venezuelan people you care so much for, that America invade them. Sorry, they're not the good folks. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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I suppose he can't really be a "tankie" but "APCie" doesn't really sound right does it?
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qnqnx posted:Extremely cool that some posters are back to the "people that don't share my politics should be violently murdered" mode. Usually I'm just talking about Nazis, odd how the liberals of D&D seem to align their interests with them all the darn time.
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qnqnx posted:Extremely cool that some posters are back to the "people that don't share my politics should be violently murdered" mode. yeah it's terrible that liberals here are all in for another bloody imperialist coup by mr. death squads and pals
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Apoplexy posted:It turns out that gusanos are pretty internationalist. They weren't the 'Venezuelan people'; they were capitalist pawns and greedy golems animated of fecal matter. They are openly demanding, for the Venezuelan people you care so much for, that America invade them. Sorry, they're not the good folks. gently caress off
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kumba posted:if you're ostensibly on the side of the venezuelan people, you should perhaps reconsider the part where you want venezuelans to die i don't want venezuelans to die, which is exactly why I oppose the power hungry CIA puppet Juan Guaido and the western monsters he's begging for help
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RottenK posted:yeah it's terrible that liberals here are all in for another bloody imperialist coup by mr. death squads and pals No, but you see, even though it's Donald Trump, ExxonMobil, Elliot Abrams, Mike Pence, and John Bolton behind it, they're somehow, for the first time ever in these peoples' minds, the good guys and right?
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Apr 30, 2019 19:40
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Rust Martialis posted:I suppose he can't really be a "tankie" but "APCie" doesn't really sound right does it? I propose "tankettie" Apoplexy posted:Usually I'm just talking about Nazis, odd how the liberals of D&D seem to align their interests with them all the darn time. "Anyone that protests against a corrupt kleptocracy is a Nazi" jesus loving christ you are a genuine idiot. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Apoplexy posted:It turns out that gusanos are pretty internationalist. They weren't the 'Venezuelan people'; they were capitalist pawns and greedy golems animated of fecal matter. Apoplexy posted:Usually I'm just talking about Nazis nah, mate, you're the nazis
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RottenK posted:i don't want venezuelans to die, which is exactly why I oppose the power hungry CIA puppet Juan Guaido and the western monsters he's begging for help Exactly. I'd even go further and say that I'd like for there to be less sanctioning of Venezuela's people and popularly-elected government. That way they could actually NOT suffer 40,000 deaths by a lack of medication due to the US's trade sanctions. https://twitter.com/jsternweiner/status/1122449707807199232
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AFancyQuestionMark posted:you think the venzuelan people should die Kind of a weird take, given how much of this coup is taken right out of the Reagan-era playbook. Guaido's a puppet to a far-right-wing imperialist power; anyone listening to what Bolton is saying as I type this should be able to see that. Apoplexy posted:Exactly. I'd even go further and say that I'd like for there to be less sanctioning of Venezuela's people and popularly-elected government. That way they could actually NOT suffer 40,000 deaths by a lack of medication due to the US's trade sanctions. https://twitter.com/jsternweiner/status/1122449707807199232 Known tankie socialist Jeffrey Sachs.
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AFancyQuestionMark posted:nah, mate, you're the nazis https://twitter.com/TheRevengerists/status/1123223410539208704
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Majorian posted:Kind of a weird take, given how much of this coup is taken right out of the Reagan-era playbook. Guaido's a puppet to a far-right-wing imperialist power; anyone listening to what Bolton is saying as I type this should be able to see that. i was responding to the guy relishing protestors getting run over by apcs and calling them greedy golems
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"all people protesting against Maduro right now should die" - a reasonable opinion
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Apr 30, 2019 19:44
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RottenK posted:there's also the part where they're supporting a foreign-backed capitalist coup Against foreign-backed capitalists who already managed to create a humanitarian crisis of near-Yemen proportions in peacetime and before sanctions kicked in. Do you ever bother to learn anything about countries or the people living in them before you start gravedancing? Did you ever stop to wonder why people might be desperate enough to turn to a country with as long and bloody a record in South America as the USA? This thread would be far better if a bunch of mediocre white dudes sat down, shut up, and listened for a second before cheering on a bunch of genocidal kleptocrats because at least they aren't those other genocidal kleptocrats.
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"if you don't support the contras you clearly want nicaraguan people to die" i typed smugly
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Darth Walrus posted:This thread would be far better if a bunch of mediocre white dudes sat down, shut up, and listened for a second before cheering on a bunch of genocidal kleptocrats because at least they aren't those other genocidal kleptocrats. but i'm not one of the liberals cheering for the coup?
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