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Discendo Vox posted:classic example of trunk cost fallacy trunkcaust
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TK-42-1 posted:only in an accident so while your head is being whipped backwards they deploy and launch your noggin into the fuckin stratosphere
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May 1, 2019 09:37
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Hahahahahahahahahhaha 
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May 1, 2019 10:27
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https://youtu.be/9YBBc2eg27g doesnt seem to show anything for traffic lights, signs, road markings, or speed bumps
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May 1, 2019 11:23
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obstipator posted:https://youtu.be/9YBBc2eg27g "Firetruck acquired, you have 20 seconds to comply."
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May 1, 2019 13:12
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obstipator posted:https://youtu.be/9YBBc2eg27g it doesn't do that yet it also still projects a driving path through buildings 20 feet ahead of it
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May 1, 2019 14:35
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Squinky v2.0 posted:
Are there any brokers NOT making margin calls at this point?
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May 1, 2019 14:42
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guy working here was talking about buying a tesla. i showed him some of the recent headlines and told him to wait at least a quarter to ‘make sure the company is safe’ before buying. now he’s digging on his own and discovering the lol goldmine so mission accomplished
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May 1, 2019 14:53
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They should just turn the seats in the 3rd row around and make it into a wagon out of the 80's/90's.
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May 1, 2019 14:53
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turn the second row around and call it a limousine
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May 1, 2019 14:58
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Alighieri posted:They should just turn the seats in the 3rd row around and make it into a wagon out of the 80's/90's.
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May 1, 2019 15:08
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Endless Mike posted:that's what they did in the model s and it was awful. rich rebuilds did a cabin temperature test in the summer with the ac blowing in the car, and the cool air never made it to the third row so youre gonna cook your kids.
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May 1, 2019 15:27
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now you’re just making me hungry
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May 1, 2019 15:28
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whenever i see that tesla camera video, it reminds me that they must be doing object detection, and that's still an area in machine vision that's been going through a massive amount of improvement in only more recent history on the one hand, i can see tesla as being the type of company to just throw everything out for something hot and new-ish, but on the other hand i can also see them being a company that would throw thousands of hours trying to make a hot pile of poo poo methodology from a number of years ago optimized/horsepowered enough to work for video in that context
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May 1, 2019 18:10
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well eyes are good enough for people, cameras should be more than sufficient *ignores the fact that eyes are good enough because there's a brain doing something with the input
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May 1, 2019 18:52
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Just-In-Timeberlake posted:there's a brain doing something with the input
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May 1, 2019 18:55
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FMguru posted:lol at actually thinking this in the tesla thread i'd trust anybody in these dead forums to drive me anywhere over a tesla on autopilot poo poo, my dog is better at not running into walls than a tesla is
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May 1, 2019 19:01
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autopilot does some wacky poo poo, i bet tesla doesnt know why it makes weird decisions. autopilot randomly slams on the brakes when its overtaking trucks on the highway, and it makes no sense.
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May 1, 2019 19:32
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i feel like musk has gotten into it before, granted he's a moron that likes to make poo poo up, but I wonder how much of it is AI vs a more traditional approach like the vision stuff is obviously being handled from an AI direction, but I wonder how much the overall driving decisions are
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May 1, 2019 19:47
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Nfcknblvbl posted:autopilot does some wacky poo poo, i bet tesla doesnt know why it makes weird decisions. autopilot randomly slams on the brakes when its overtaking trucks on the highway, and it makes no sense. please stop using autopilot on public roads you are going to kill somebody
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May 1, 2019 20:19
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else. somebody else.
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May 1, 2019 20:30
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Combat Theory posted:Hahahahahahahahahhaha Hey CT was wondering if I could ask you something. Car stuff. You got some way I can message you? I mean I don't want to bother you though.
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May 1, 2019 20:34
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lancemantis posted:i feel like musk has gotten into it before, granted he's a moron that likes to make poo poo up, but I wonder how much of it is AI vs a more traditional approach what's the difference?
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May 1, 2019 22:03
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just if/then/else statements stretching to infinity
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May 1, 2019 22:12
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basically writing a program that more or less explicitly says "given these sensor inputs x, perform y" vs trying to learn "given these sensor inputs x, perform y" in the hope that it will be better generalized/more robust/etc
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May 1, 2019 22:21
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Just-In-Timeberlake posted:well eyes are good enough for people, cameras should be more than sufficient eyes are fine, as long as you have a brain with a large vision processing center that took hundreds of millions of years of evolution to develop and that still takes sixteen years of growth and feedback to mature sufficiently to be trusted to drive
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May 1, 2019 22:31
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the underlying philosophy of the current AI-centric approach to robot cars is pretty much, as ideal, "what if we could make a human being that didn't make mistakes drive the car" where those mistakes at this point seem to be bounded to "won't get distracted in specific ways like having a conversation or looking at their phone while driving" and maybe having a larger simultaneous field of vision
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May 1, 2019 22:40
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ai is currently just a fancy party trick. the real world requires way too much semantic knowledge to properly navigate. in ideal conditions, you'll be better than a human driver, and outside of that you'll be worse way worse.
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May 1, 2019 22:56
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Chalks posted:ai is currently just a fancy party trick. the real world requires way too much semantic knowledge to properly navigate. this. teaching a *nn of the complexity we can build today to drive seems akin to training something lesser than an insect brain to drive. there isn’t much higher order understanding of the scene or object permanence this is why it sometimes panic brakes or lane swaps. if the system identifies “obstacle ahead” there’s no higher layer filtering out cases like “nah that‘s just a trick of shadow, we could see nothing was there a moment ago, and the illusion will disappear a second from now”.
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May 1, 2019 23:27
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Lord Stimperor posted:Hey CT was wondering if I could ask you something. Car stuff. You got some way I can message you? I mean I don't want to bother you though. you can hop into ol' man smarts discord and ill find you there and get you an invite to our goony place E: should shoot me a message ITT too Combat Theory fucked around with this message at 00:47 on May 2, 2019 |
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May 1, 2019 23:42
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BobHoward posted:this. teaching a *nn of the complexity we can build today to drive seems akin to training something lesser than an insect brain to drive. there isn’t much higher order understanding of the scene or object permanence pre:scene segmentation/object detection -> object recognition -> labelling -> neural network -> output action object trackers that can handle a few frames of missed detection without merging overlapping objects or labelling previously seen ones as new are hardly unusual, and why tesla's vision system doesn't have something like that isn't really clear to me. from the videos we've seen it seems like it doesn't - bounding boxes are jittering all over the places, detection stutters as it loses and reacquires objects, objects are relabelled from frame to frame. but otoh i have to assume it's calculating movement vectors or how could it predict where objects in the scene are going to be next frame (or in ten or a hundred frames) and react correctly? that goes hand in hand with tracking so either something is going on under the covers that isn't obvious in the video or the tesla engineers are doing something really mystifying. tesla is a garbage company but they had plenty of money until this year and you have to imagine they were hiring at least the occasional competent person for their flagship autopilot project so ???
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May 2, 2019 01:33
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i was driving the other day and if you're in any way an observant driver you're constantly assessing other drivers/pedestrians/whatever not on what they're doing, but on what they might do. i don't know how to explain it better, other than your mind flags stuff you see (kids are playing ball in the yard, watch out in case the ball ends up in the street and one of them runs out without looking) and you subconsciously anticipate it. no way anybody's nn does any of that.
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May 2, 2019 02:05
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can't wait for people to buy the model Y and insist they love the car and all their friends use the third row
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Just-In-Timeberlake posted:i was driving the other day and if you're in any way an observant driver you're constantly assessing other drivers/pedestrians/whatever not on what they're doing, but on what they might do. i don't know how to explain it better, other than your mind flags stuff you see (kids are playing ball in the yard, watch out in case the ball ends up in the street and one of them runs out without looking) and you subconsciously anticipate it. yeah this is what a lot of us have been saying since day one. to get a true AI that's capable of driving a car you have to get an AI that's capable of empathy because that's the only way you're going to be able to predict the actions of other drivers / pedestrians
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May 2, 2019 02:17
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yeah totally, the feeling you get that something isn't quite right with the car in front so you slow down just before they slam on their brakes to take that offramp they nearly missed or whatever. i mean we're a way off but the whole idea is to emulate (simulate?) human driving by learning from human drivers so who knows, it's not entirely outside the realm of possibility that it might get there the fun part of nns is that they're completely incomprehensible black boxes and you have little idea why they do anything at all. that whole deep dream thing google released wasn't just for making creepy pictures, they were trying to gain some small understanding of what their imagenet cnn was even doing at a feature level. that's one thing that's pretty concerning about machine learning being thrown at every problem - sure the performance looks great compared with boring old hand-written image processing algorithms, but with that kind of oldschool ai you can read the code, understand what's happening and why, and it's predictable and testable. nns can be deterministic so i guess testing is theoretically possible, but it seems like it would be incredibly costly and difficult. i'm a couple years out of working in that field so i don't know what the latest is, but i'm not aware that the kind of full coverage testing exists for these systems that you would want if you were, for instance, certifying software for flying planes or sending a spacecraft into orbit but because no proper regulation exists for the software that drives cars you get to share the road with these unpredictable, unknowable, untestable ais that are in this case also dumb as a loving rock big scary monsters fucked around with this message at 02:21 on May 2, 2019 |
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Rex-Goliath posted:yeah this is what a lot of us have been saying since day one. to get a true AI that's capable of driving a car you have to get an AI that's capable of empathy because that's the only way you're going to be able to predict the actions of other drivers / pedestrians until we have human level AI self-driving cars will never work as well as a human driver and if we somehow do develop human-level AI, all bets are off because who the gently caress knows how society will ever accommodate that, the way labor even works will be changed
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May 2, 2019 02:39
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Silver Alicorn posted:can't wait for people to buy the model Y and insist they love the car and all their friends use the third row and everyone sat down comfortable and clapped Shipon posted:until we have human level AI self-driving cars will never work as well as a human driver the real achievement will be when uber presses for ai citizenship so they can start selling new instances loans for the cars they live in
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May 2, 2019 03:55
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Agile Vector posted:and everyone sat down comfortable and clapped time to organize the AI into a union
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to get a true ai, you also need to get the ai to participate in road rage
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tesla stock went up 5% from ol musky saying he doesn't know where they'll get money from in the future.
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