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Popete
Oct 6, 2009

This will make sure you don't suggest to the KDz
That he should grow greens instead of crushing on MCs

Grimey Drawer

lol, how far the bar has already fallen.

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Drunk Theory
Aug 20, 2016


Oven Wrangler
Yes. I would accept 1 system at launch. Yes, I know they said 100, then 5-10 later. But one is all I really need to get my 15000 dollars worth.

OB_Juan
Nov 24, 2004

Not every day is a good day.


Dinosaur Gum

Sarsapariller posted:

So how's that free fly week goin

Every time I board a ship, I get inflicted with the worst kind of electricity. The pain triples every second.

Slow_Moe
Feb 18, 2013

welp, I guess I'll have to add "breathplay" to the search terms the next time i look for Star Citizer leaks on Pornhub...

shrach
Jan 10, 2004

daylight ssssaving time

Agony Aunt posted:

I think the subs are included in the funding tracker.

I hadn't considerd tax rebates though, that's perhaps an important factor.

They aren't included.
https://cloudimperiumgames.com/blog/corporate/cfo-comment-2012-2017-financials

Take exactly the figures from here and you reach $207m to the end of 2017. Add another ~$44m for 2018 matching their figure for 2017. Add another $46m from the investment and you reach a total to 31 December 2018 of $297m.

Then you can add on the crowdfunding, subs, tax rebates for January 2019 to April 2019 and you'll get back to the same ~$308m.

MedicineHut
Feb 25, 2016

All Forbes threads in spectrum are being systematically deleted. 3 so far that I have seen, it is a Forbicide. Haha.

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/3/thread/have-you-seen-the-forbes-article-about-sc-what-do-

MedicineHut
Feb 25, 2016

Popete posted:

lol, how far the bar has already fallen.



Bargaining stage anyone?

Viscous Soda
Apr 24, 2004

Popete posted:

lol, how far the bar has already fallen.

This really illustrates why the Citizers are so fierce in the defense of SC, they've already lost faith in the project but they haven't admitted it... even to themselves. So they put forward a loud and angry defense, not only in the hope that they'll salvage some crumb of the dream game they wanted but also so they don't have to examine their own lack of faith in the project.

Dementropy
Aug 23, 2010



Den of Geek: Star Citizen Report Reveals Gross Money Mismanagement and Chris Robert's Poor Decisions

quote:

We're not going to beat around the bush: the more that we learn about Star Citizen, the more we get the impression that it's a kind of spin on the old Ponzi scheme in which incoming cash is used to fuel a hype machine which dispenses cash, but also demands it in order to keep running. While many companies utilize such a machine, it's ultimately just a piece in an even bigger machine that eventually turns out some kind of product. In this case, though, it sounds like Cloud Imperium revolves around such a device.

After all, the only tangible things that Star Citizen has left us with so far are some alphas, an oft-delayed single-player mode, and more than a few lawsuits.

his nibs
Feb 27, 2016

:kayak:Welcome to the:kayak:
Dream Factory
:kayak:
Grimey Drawer
https://www.denofgeek.com/us/games/star-citizen/280875/star-citizen-report-money-chris-roberts-scam

We're not going to beat around the bush: the more that we learn about Star Citizen, the more we get the impression that it's a kind of spin on the old Ponzi scheme in which incoming cash is used to fuel a hype machine which dispenses cash, but also demands it in order to keep running. While many companies utilize such a machine, it's ultimately just a piece in an even bigger machine that eventually turns out some kind of product. In this case, though, it sounds like Cloud Imperium revolves around such a device.

Deploy the Blobbers!


e: argghhhh beaten!

Strangler 42
Jan 8, 2007

SHAVE IT ALL OFF
ALL OF IT

DigitalPenny posted:

That is exactly as i understand it. However Sandi is probably less powerful than that. I'd assume his mate ortwin would look after Chris and make him the appointer of the trust, so if sandi is all like GTFO he can be like well i am appointing my bro Erin to be the new trustee, you GTFO! or put clauses in on how Chris is to benefit from said trust. its why trusts can also be a good way to protect your stuff in a divorce.

Looks like check mate though , Chris will live happily ever after as it all burns down ... well unless he goes to jail, something about proceeds of crime could still bite him on the rear end.

What, you don't think Sandi will drop him (again) like a hot potato once the money dries up and shack up with the tickler in black? You don't think Erin will just go back to making Lego games and just wash himself of the biggest failure in crowdfunding/video games ever?

Colostomy Bag
Jan 11, 2016

:lesnick: C-Bangin' it :lesnick:

Remember folks, Roberts himself stated that funding taken is 4x as much versus being backed by a publisher. This game is reaching the $800-$1000 million mark for development.

Lord Stimperor
Jun 13, 2018

I'm a lovable meme.

IDK which is more absurd - either Sandi is a deranged stalker and bullied CR into marrying her, or CR tried to cover up his extramarital affair by pretending she's stalking him and they were totally not shagging in the side.


These people are like IRL arrested development, except everyone the entire cast is GOBs, Lindsays, and Barry Zuckerkorns.

Strangler 42
Jan 8, 2007

SHAVE IT ALL OFF
ALL OF IT

Colostomy Bag posted:

Remember folks, Roberts himself stated that funding taken is 4x as much versus being backed by a publisher. This game is reaching the $800-$1000 million mark for development.

and it's all spent so what you see today is truly a billion dollar game

Nyast
Nov 14, 2017

BLAZING AT THE
SPEED OF LIGHT

Summary: Forbes article is pure trash because:

- $288M is only valid if you include the $46M investment, and it's still far off the $300M of the header.
- SC is not the highest crowed funded project. It's been beaten recently by Notre-Dame reconstruction ( wish I was joking, but nope, that's his argument, Forbes lied ).
- $14M left in the bank at the end of 2017 has no proof and is just FUD from Forbes ( looks like the guy isn't even aware of CIG financials ? He seems to be very angry that no proof was posted. Lol. )
- the 100 star systems is dishonnesty from Forbes because.. the backers voted for the scope increase back in the days ( .. and to produce the game faster, but let's not mention that. Besides, they didn't vote for a reduction of star systems count, hey dummy.. ).
- a 3 years delay for Freelancer is not "plenty", it's just.. 3 years.
- feature creep is kind of true, he admits that's Chris's signature, but project mismanagement and chaos ? That's just FUD, obviously.
- Sandi's trepassing was just a "love triangle" with Chris and his wife, nothing too alarming there ( I wish I was making that up ).

Nyast fucked around with this message at 18:18 on May 2, 2019

his nibs
Feb 27, 2016

:kayak:Welcome to the:kayak:
Dream Factory
:kayak:
Grimey Drawer
if only pixelemonade was still around to bring some positivity into the situation

Dementropy
Aug 23, 2010



Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

PMSL at please stop helping.

Was wondering how long it would be before Maht turned up to try and make any criticsm of SC be somehow all Braben's fault.

Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

MedicineHut posted:



Bargaining stage anyone?

Looks more like anger at the moment. Pure undistilled white hot anger.

iospace
Jan 19, 2038



Ok, what.

The fact he decided to drag in politics, 100% unprompted, is gross.

Koil
Jun 24, 2005

two weeks

Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

shrach posted:

They aren't included.
https://cloudimperiumgames.com/blog/corporate/cfo-comment-2012-2017-financials

Take exactly the figures from here and you reach $207m to the end of 2017. Add another ~$44m for 2018 matching their figure for 2017. Add another $46m from the investment and you reach a total to 31 December 2018 of $297m.

Then you can add on the crowdfunding, subs, tax rebates for January 2019 to April 2019 and you'll get back to the same ~$308m.

Well well well....

Colostomy Bag
Jan 11, 2016

:lesnick: C-Bangin' it :lesnick:

Agony Aunt posted:

PMSL at please stop helping.

Was wondering how long it would be before Maht turned up to try and make any criticsm of SC be somehow all Braben's fault.

I just wish that dumbass was named math. Would make things more simpler.

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry

Popete posted:

It's funny that there is this conspiracy that SA is some huge cabal lurking in the shadows instead of SC stuff being one small sub-section of this forum.

Like they could just come here and see for themselves. But I suppose it's easier to pretend that every problem with SC is the fault of SA and Derek Smart.

We're... not?


:(


*puts away caballing robes*

Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

MedicineHut posted:

All Forbes threads in spectrum are being systematically deleted. 3 so far that I have seen, it is a Forbicide. Haha.

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/3/thread/have-you-seen-the-forbes-article-about-sc-what-do-



That one is still alive for the moment.

The more they delete them, the more clear it will become for people that CIG practices censorship. They should take a leaf out of FD's books where they let such things ride their natural course and then lock them when people start bashing each over the head with poo.

Gosts
Jan 15, 2016


Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry

MedicineHut posted:

All Forbes threads in spectrum are being systematically deleted. 3 so far that I have seen, it is a Forbicide. Haha.

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/spectrum/community/SC/forum/3/thread/have-you-seen-the-forbes-article-about-sc-what-do-



I mean sure Molyneux once murdered a guy, but it was completely unrelated and, frankly, I think that we should all just move on from such hit piece material and focus on the thing I paid money for instead. Its great, and anyone who disagrees is dumb and bad, but especially smelly too!

Agony Aunt
Apr 17, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
Well, looks like all the media outlets are picking up on this one.

Now, where is the article from gamestar.de?

Gosts
Jan 15, 2016


i can bearly believe the history of chris and sandi

i've got to 'hand' it to them; they really laid things bear in this article

'handy sandi', the bear-handed stalker

Popete
Oct 6, 2009

This will make sure you don't suggest to the KDz
That he should grow greens instead of crushing on MCs

Grimey Drawer

Jobbo_Fett posted:

We're... not?


:(


*puts away caballing robes*

More of a sinister gathering if anything.

Gort
Aug 18, 2003

Good day what ho cup of tea

How can you not be sure how fun exploration in a space game of one star system will be?

How can there be any uncertainty whatsoever?

Scruffpuff
Dec 23, 2015

Fidelity. Wait, was I'm working on again?

That should be the Squadon 42 box cover. At least if they expect to sell any copies.

Gosts
Jan 15, 2016


this revelation about sandi has me choking

it's too bad sandi didn't say 'i wash my hands of that' instead of chris saying 'i absolve myself of that'

i wonder if sandi has had to strangle anyone else to keep the project running or just her current/ex-husband

Libluini
May 18, 2012

I gravitated towards the Greens, eventually even joining the party itself.

The Linke is a party I grudgingly accept exists, but I've learned enough about DDR-history I can't bring myself to trust a party that was once the SED, a party leading the corrupt state apparatus ...
Grimey Drawer

Agony Aunt posted:

Well, looks like all the media outlets are picking up on this one.

Now, where is the article from gamestar.de?

Unrelated, but #NotMyStarCitizen

Gosts
Jan 15, 2016


ok i think i'm done, those last ones weren't even that good.

no wait

I can't believe that Sandi tried to strangle Chris with her bear hands

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry
Sure, Sandi might have assaulted Chris or his ex-wife that one time, but nobody's perfect! That's why Chris married Sandi, again, and she's acted like a loving oval office on air and why there's like a poo poo ton of rumours about her being bad.


I'm glad my money's in her good hands! :downs:

Jobbo_Fett
Mar 7, 2014

Slava Ukrayini

Clapping Larry

Popete posted:

More of a sinister gathering if anything.

Does it count? I paid a lot of money for these robes and I never get to loving wear them. I even have the face-mask part that you can't see through!

Beexoffel
Oct 4, 2015

Herald of the Stimpire

shrach posted:

I'd be willing to forgive the rounding but it actually is in excess of $300m, since it just says video game that raised $300m.

1. $218m from the tracker and official "financials" as the crowd funding.
2. From the official "financials" for the period to December 2017 we have $11m in subscriptions, add another $3m for 2018, is $14m total subs.
3. Also from the official "financials" tax rebates were $21m, add another $6m for 2018 gives you $27m from tax rebates.
4. From the press-release we have the $46m raised from the investors.

That totals some $305m (218+14+27+46). Since we're in May you could add another $1m from subscriptions and $2m in tax rebates to the total which means they have raised $308m plus whatever their outstanding bank loan balances are.

I love these posts.

Strangler 42
Jan 8, 2007

SHAVE IT ALL OFF
ALL OF IT
When they say that star citizer has more content right now than many other games out there, what games are they talking about? Could they just name a couple so that we can compare notes on what they consider more content? Are they comparing to current gen games? Past gen games? Cellphone games? Freeware? Browser games?

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Deadguy2322
Dec 16, 2017

Greatness Awaits

Agony Aunt posted:

Hah, enjoy, but in future, get a good whiskey. American whiskey's suck.

Woodford Reserve says you don’t know what you’re talking about.

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