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Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

This does not make sense when, again, aggregate indicia also indicate improvements. The belief that things are worse is false. It remains false.

Nakar posted:

People will only eat/drink from on-map sources if they're scripted to do so, and Masterson has no such scripting. There are, however, ways to make people eat in Hitman 2018 that did not exist in 2016. So the hint here would be that the method to do this is something that would not have been possible in the previous game, which should at least narrow it down.

knock them out so they fall face first into the food?

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Kuiperdolin
Sep 5, 2011

to ride eternal, shiny and chrome

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2022

Somehow lure them to the bbq party and feed them as a waiter behind the table?

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead
Wound up handling the Sean Bean assassination in a totally humdrum way. :geno:

follow around for a circuit, catch guards without even bothering to distract, hurl robot arm into sean bean's head, break neck

Super No Vacancy
Jul 26, 2012

Nakar posted:

People will only eat/drink from on-map sources if they're scripted to do so, and Masterson has no such scripting. There are, however, ways to make people eat in Hitman 2018 that did not exist in 2016. So the hint here would be that the method to do this is something that would not have been possible in the previous game, which should at least narrow it down.

hold the food in a mirror?

Unlucky7
Jul 11, 2006

Fallen Rib
Managed to get SA this time. First time I rigged the explosive. Turns out using explosives in a room filled highly volatile fuel additive tends to cause collateral damage. If I were any closer I probably would have offed myself instead.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

Nakar posted:

People will only eat/drink from on-map sources if they're scripted to do so, and Masterson has no such scripting. There are, however, ways to make people eat in Hitman 2018 that did not exist in 2016. So the hint here would be that the method to do this is something that would not have been possible in the previous game, which should at least narrow it down.

Get 47 to make airplane noises while approaching the target with the food?

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

This does not make sense when, again, aggregate indicia also indicate improvements. The belief that things are worse is false. It remains false.

Nakar posted:

People will only eat/drink from on-map sources if they're scripted to do so, and Masterson has no such scripting. There are, however, ways to make people eat in Hitman 2018 that did not exist in 2016. So the hint here would be that the method to do this is something that would not have been possible in the previous game, which should at least narrow it down.

Throw coin in food?

Funky Valentine
Feb 26, 2014

Dojyaa~an

47 deploys the ICA brand Poison Donut.

Nakar
Sep 2, 2002

Ultima Ratio Regum

Kuiperdolin posted:

Somehow lure them to the bbq party and feed them as a waiter behind the table?
Correct. Congratulations, you figured out the easy part of the contract.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

The Sheriff groggily is shaken awake by a terrified partygoer. All he remembers is turning in time to see a suitcase flying towards his face, now he's at a party? Around him multiple unconscious bodies lay on the ground, the party host rushing around frantically trying to wake them all.

"Try this," says a flat voice, and he turns to see a bald man in an apron standing expressionlessly behind the food table,"They're to die for. :geno:"

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

This does not make sense when, again, aggregate indicia also indicate improvements. The belief that things are worse is false. It remains false.
forgive my ignorance, is it possible to do the same as a sushi chef in hokkaido?

Nakar
Sep 2, 2002

Ultima Ratio Regum

Discendo Vox posted:

forgive my ignorance, is it possible to do the same as a sushi chef in hokkaido?
Unless they changed it, that was scripted and only certain NPCs show up to be served. It does work in Miami and Sgail though.

A fun one would involve Florida Man's stand in Miami, now that I think of it...

where the red fern gropes
Aug 24, 2011


Nakar posted:

By the way, I need your help to construct my most elaborate puzzle yet. I want to know all the ways you can think of to require a player to violate Silent Assassin, and ways that you could potentially get around that. For example: Require a disguise that can only be acquired from a non-target with No Pacifications. There are two ways to do this, either killing the NPC and stealing the disguise, or simply giving up on the objective requirement and killing the target in a different disguise. In this example, the latter is plainly better, since failing a complication prevents Objectives Complete anyway, and also adds a Non-Target kill.

My objective is to create a contract that is impossible to SA because it requires breaking some rule, somewhere, but the puzzle is to figure out which combination of rule violations yields the fastest time and highest score. To do this, I need as many overlapping violation risks as possible, but also ways to potentially avoid them.

this was the solution to a couple of puzzle contracts i had in mind before the sedative changes, e.g. kill the paris sheikh, as the sheikh, with the fiber wire. or kill a bunch of unique targets around whittleton creek, in their own disguises, with fiber wire. getting bodies found and having them be woken up costs the same amount of score as just sniping them all in the head and leaving, but you'll lose a lot of time waiting for targets to wake up. at the same time, shoot + run will require you to get the bodies out of sight, otherwise you lose two objectives (objectives + bodies found) as opposed to wake up (which is only bodies found)

theoretically you could do a "knockout + disguise steal + kill 5 targets in their own disguise" mission on hokkaido, because you only get 2 tranq needles and i think there's only one fire extinguisher on the level to knock out the rest. e.g. kill any combination of nails the pilot, head surgeon, director, yoga instructor, jason portman, or amos dexter (6 potential targets).

since you wanted workarounds for violations, i'm pretty sure you could still use sedative pills to get a couple more, though i'm not sure who eats/drinks (amos probably drinks booze). even if you managed to sedate him, you'd still have to get his disguise in the middle of a busy restaurant.



miami - does the stig exit require targets killed as pale rider, or specifically sierra + robert knox killed as pale rider? e: requires sierra + robert.

where the red fern gropes fucked around with this message at 05:47 on May 5, 2019

Super No Vacancy
Jul 26, 2012

does everybody’s new Faba have an eyepatch or is that because I killed him with the pen the first time around? cool detail if the latter

FronzelNeekburm
Jun 1, 2001

STOP, MORTTIME

Super No Vacancy posted:

does everybody’s new Faba have an eyepatch or is that because I killed him with the pen the first time around? cool detail if the latter

Last time, I just shot him in the back, and he has an eyepatch for me this time around.

...where I got a robot to shoot him in the back.

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

FronzelNeekburm posted:

Last time, I just shot him in the back, and he has an eyepatch for me this time around.

...where I got a robot to shoot him in the back.

i really wanted to robo-kill him but couldn't find a pic of him :(

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

GreyjoyBastard posted:

i really wanted to robo-kill him but couldn't find a pic of him :(

It's upstairs in Kronstadt's climate controlled office, where you go to get the access dongle in the regular map

Nakar
Sep 2, 2002

Ultima Ratio Regum

where the red fern gropes posted:

miami - does the stig exit require targets killed as pale rider, or specifically sierra + robert knox killed as pale rider? e: requires sierra + robert.
The Stig exit explicitly requires killing Sierra and Robert, regardless of who the actual targets are; if you make it a Required Exit, you can force two Non-Target Kills if Sierra/Robert are not tagged as targets. Same deal for the Swan Dive exit in Sgail, the Washingtons must be dead even if they aren't actually targets.

where the red fern gropes
Aug 24, 2011


idle thought: the helicopter exit on hokkaido appears to be two different exits - one on each door of the helicopter - which are functionally identical other than which side you interact with. a required exit on the hospital-side door might cause a bit of trouble depending on the availability of distractions and whether nails turns around. probably not since you can exit pretty fast

Jack Trades
Nov 30, 2010

Was the killer robot in that pen testing room last time or is that a new change to the mission? Cause that sure was a fun way to murder him second time.

Jerusalem posted:

It's upstairs in Kronstadt's climate controlled office, where you go to get the access dongle in the regular map

There's also one in the free photo booth by the main entrance afaik

Rev. Melchisedech Howler
Sep 5, 2006

You know. Leather.
Now that I've got the two SA ET suits, I had fun letting off steam by rushing into the meeting room guns blazing this time.

Got a bit lost on the way and murdered some guards who I didn't need to. And some scientists. And that one tourist.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

Jack Trades posted:

There's also one in the free photo booth by the main entrance afaik

That's amazing, haha

Lollerich
Mar 25, 2004

The little doctors are back,
they want to play with you!
I used the bomb this time. I took out his bodyguards and all the scientists, including the head scientist and hid all of their bodies. Then i used the key to get the detonator for the new bomb they were working on.
The explosion was beautiful to watch up close. I was disguised as the head scientist too, though I had a bodyguard disguise most of the time.
I even took the time to erase the camera footage.

This game can be a little bit too easy once you know what you are doing.

Dabir
Nov 10, 2012

Well, that's what contracts are for.

where the red fern gropes
Aug 24, 2011


Discendo Vox posted:

forgive my ignorance, is it possible to do the same as a sushi chef in hokkaido?

someone apparently thinks so

Lollerich
Mar 25, 2004

The little doctors are back,
they want to play with you!

where the red fern gropes posted:

someone apparently thinks so



How? I need to see a video of this.

Nakar
Sep 2, 2002

Ultima Ratio Regum

Lollerich posted:

How? I need to see a video of this.
If I had to guess, use the chip to get him up to the garden area, then activate it so he doesn't kill himself and he probably paths back to the morgue via the sushi bar backdoor area. Figure out some way to lure him to the front of the bar, and serve him.

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

This does not make sense when, again, aggregate indicia also indicate improvements. The belief that things are worse is false. It remains false.

where the red fern gropes posted:

someone apparently thinks so



yesss that was almost exactly what I was thinking of, except I wanted to do it with the chief surgeon!

Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 04:59 on May 8, 2019

where the red fern gropes
Aug 24, 2011


Discendo Vox posted:

yesss that was almost exactly what I was thinking of, except I wanted to do it with the chief surgeon!

can't you just poison the drugs that he takes?

looks like a ridiculously hard contract to be honest. might be some weird trick to it but i sure as hell don't see it

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

This does not make sense when, again, aggregate indicia also indicate improvements. The belief that things are worse is false. It remains false.

where the red fern gropes posted:

can't you just poison the drugs that he takes?

looks like a ridiculously hard contract to be honest. might be some weird trick to it but i sure as hell don't see it

d-drat. I was thinking somehow lead/coin him past the sushi bar as Nails and then perform a quick change.

where the red fern gropes
Aug 24, 2011


Nakar posted:

In Broad Daylight (PC: World of Tomorrow): 1-03-2879464-02

TARGETS: One guy standing right in front of the Street Performer. Sniper Rifle + Suit for the kill.
COMPLICATIONS: Optional Time Limit (1:00), Optional No Pacifications.
NOTES: Gonna be tough to do this without anyone noticing. I designed it a certain way but I suspect there's a hyper-optimal route that can finish the contract in seconds.

ok i had several goes at this, the best place to shoot my tranq gun from the starting location on the harbor was slightly below the air conditioning unit that's behind and above the target. i got it down to 10 seconds, it was very fun

this gives me vague ideas for a contract based around using the long-distance parabola of the tranq gun to hit a target in a location that you can't see (causing some manner of distraction, allowing shenanigans). ideally there would also be some sort of indicator for the player on exactly where to stand and where to shoot so that it's not completely frustrating to reset it, but that's only really necessary if it's a puzzle contract with an enforced time limit that requires using that exact strategy

finding the correct location for this will be difficult. maybe... ninja start in hokkaido, shooting the gardeners? i'd like to avoid using the tranq+kill exploit but then i have no idea how i'd make the rest interesting.


e: writing down idea so i can be reminded of it later: on the bangkok Source mission, there's a katana in dexy's room, since they didn't really tidy up that part of the map when patient zero came out (you can steal the gun through the safe door because it's buggy too). thinking of some BS contract requiring getting the katana, being spotted by a guard, and then being escorted out while you find a good place to stab them through the head without being seen. can a katana fit in a briefcase? i know a broadsword can

where the red fern gropes fucked around with this message at 10:34 on May 8, 2019

SelenicMartian
Sep 14, 2013

Sometimes it's not the bomb that's retarded.



The engine really shits itself if you try to kill everyone in Sapienza.

Is there a map where you can screw yourself out of exits hard? Blowing up cars, making keys inaccessible etc.

where the red fern gropes
Aug 24, 2011


apparently on mumbai, if you start on the skywalk, the tuk-tuk just below you can only be used if you're disguised as the tailor

but for some reason i'm not able to get it to work

where the red fern gropes fucked around with this message at 16:46 on May 8, 2019

Nakar
Sep 2, 2002

Ultima Ratio Regum

where the red fern gropes posted:

can a katana fit in a briefcase? i know a broadsword can
Only large melee weapons that can be smuggled in can be put in briefcases, I believe. Long guns other than ICA ones seem to be briefcase-okay, but not two-handed melee.

SelenicMartian posted:

Is there a map where you can screw yourself out of exits hard? Blowing up cars, making keys inaccessible etc.
  • Any car-related exit point can be lost if the car is destroyed.
  • Silvio Caruso's plane becomes unusable if he tries to take off in it or it is destroyed.
  • The helicopter in Sgail is inaccessible if the Constant escapes in it.
  • Hokkaido's cable car is unavailable if Yamazaki escapes in it or it's derailed.
  • The Mumbai taxis can be destroyed, or the drivers killed.
More interesting is the way Required Exit interacts with all this. The mission instantly and immediately fails if the exit becomes inaccessible at all, for any reason, for any length of time. Urben used this once in Mumbai to create a contract where you have to avoid spooking your exit driver (who is kinda near all the targets), since even though the taxi drivers will calm down and return to their posts eventually, this technically counts as "disabling the Required Exit" and fails you.

Not sure if this occurs if you just constructively render the exit unusable, e.g. the dolphins in Miami if you throw all the fish on the map into the water.

where the red fern gropes
Aug 24, 2011


i wish there was a "no trespassing" complication

Nakar
Sep 2, 2002

Ultima Ratio Regum
Because why not: The Sweeney Scrupulousness (LV3) - Default Start, No Loadout, No Knockouts, Commentary

And in other news...

Naked Came The Stranger (World of Tomorrow): 1-03-7557193-02

TARGETS: The Cyclist, Any Method... as Dr. Oscar Lafayette.
COMPLICATIONS: Time Limit (1:00)
NOTES: Yeah you've probably already figured out how this works.

where the red fern gropes
Aug 24, 2011


Nakar posted:

Because why not: The Sweeney Scrupulousness (LV3) - Default Start, No Loadout, No Knockouts, Commentary

And in other news...

Naked Came The Stranger (World of Tomorrow): 1-03-7557193-02

TARGETS: The Cyclist, Any Method... as Dr. Oscar Lafayette.
COMPLICATIONS: Time Limit (1:00)
NOTES: Yeah you've probably already figured out how this works.

i tried lil flashy + tranq but apparently that was not the answer

e: eventually got it but right at the very end somebody spotted a body somehow :iiam:

is this supposed to take as many resets as i spent on it? because i spent a lot

where the red fern gropes fucked around with this message at 09:56 on May 12, 2019

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

This does not make sense when, again, aggregate indicia also indicate improvements. The belief that things are worse is false. It remains false.
It’s not the car, ummm...maybe something taking advantage of his initial lying state?

where the red fern gropes
Aug 24, 2011


Oh dammit you can't get hokkaido's fugu fish poison in contracts mode

e: ok it turns out hokkaido's sushi can be used to kill anybody who walks in front of it. presumably this is how the guy did the contract with the curator, though i'm baffled as to how he got the curator up there in the first place. tranquilizer?

where the red fern gropes fucked around with this message at 12:00 on May 12, 2019

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Aoi
Sep 12, 2017

Perpetually a Pain.
Maybe to the staff sushi put out behind the kitchen, rather than the guest sushi above? The morgue isn't that far from the staff commisary/sleeping area, after all.

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