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KillHour posted:For roughly the same money, the C63s is faster, shorter, wider, has more cargo space, more cylinders and more standard features. Fully loaded, they both come in around $95k, with the E53 having an upgraded sound system, more interior choices, the new dashboard that's just two giant screens (which I hate) and soft close doors. i agree the E Coupe is not a great value but the whole point of AMG E-classes is that you can get them as sedans or wagons
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Ford: releases "new" ranger in the US based on an 8 year old truck Truck reviewers: this sucks Truck buyers: naw, no thanks Ford: I guess nobody wants small trucks  e:  lol Powershift fucked around with this message at 14:48 on May 5, 2019 |
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May 5, 2019 14:39
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There's an E63 wagon or two in my neighborhood and whenever I see them I wonder what they're really for. It's not like people take them to the track with any frequency. Seems like a regular e series wagon would do most everything you'd ever want.
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May 5, 2019 15:04
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to do all the stuff you do in an e class wagon but faster and with better handling and noises
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May 5, 2019 15:37
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:to do all the stuff you do in an e class wagon but faster and with better handling and noises Exactly. I wasn't as clear as I should have been in my post, I wanted to test drive the E53 wagon and am now trying to figure out how to make a custom order happen. Faster with better handling and a 90% rear biased all wheel drive system.
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May 5, 2019 16:09
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i am not in the position where $40k is a negligble sum to me so i'd probably buy an E450 and then like, i dunno, a Caterham kit but if you have gently caress you money why not?
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May 5, 2019 16:33
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:to do all the stuff you do in an e class wagon but faster and with better handling and noises I guess it adds something to driving to get groceries/picking up the kids from school? Is the e63 being replaced by the e53?
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May 5, 2019 16:42
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Residency Evil posted:I guess it adds something to driving to get groceries/picking up the kids from school? Both are being sold side by side for the 2019 and 2020 model years, at least on Canada. The M256 also gets 8l/100km in the city in wagon trim thanks to all the F1 tech in it.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:i am not in the position where $40k is a negligble sum to me so i'd probably buy an E450 and then like, i dunno, a Caterham kit but if you have gently caress you money why not? Maybe if you want the knowledge that you own the rarest still-produced Benz? Also, the average buyer has a household income of $350k and already owns 4 cars, according to MB.
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May 5, 2019 16:59
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Residency Evil posted:Is the e63 being replaced by the e53?
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Mr. Apollo posted:No, but MB has said that all future AMGs will have to incorporate hybrid tech as they are reaching the limits of what they can do with internal combustion while still meeting fuel efficiency and emissions requirements. Yeah, their i6 and V8 were designed from the ground up as mild hybrids, with an electric motor in the bell housing replacing both the alternator and starter, as well as powering almost all the accessories electrically. The V8 doesn't even have an accessory belt. I'm surprised ford's new 7.3 has a traditional alternator and starter. I would have thought every single clean sheet engine from here on out would be built around a combined starter/alternator that can also do torquefill and energy recovery.
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Powershift posted:Yeah, their i6 and V8 were designed from the ground up as mild hybrids, with an electric motor in the bell housing replacing both the alternator and starter, as well as powering almost all the accessories electrically. The V8 doesn't even have an accessory belt. Isn't Ford's new 7.3 also exclusively targeting segments where fuel economy is not reported? The thing doesn't even have direct injection if I remember right.
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Twerk from Home posted:Isn't Ford's new 7.3 also exclusively targeting segments where fuel economy is not reported? The thing doesn't even have direct injection if I remember right. Yeah, it's obviously designed to be a tank, but part of that could have been never having to replace an alternator, starter, drive belt, and water pump swaps done in a parking lot in 15 minutes. You would never need to add an alternator for more accessories, drive an air compressor off the accessory belt or even need to locate the compressor in the engine compartment. That said, the Aviator is patient zero for ford's full hybrid system, which is inside the 10R80 that gets put into everything, and it could possible transfer over to the new truck. Fuel efficiency isn't monitored at a government level in the heavy trucks, but operators still care deeply about their fuel usage, and the jump from 9 to 10mpg saves as much fuel as the jump from 32mpg to 50mpg. That's why the F600 exists, which is an F550 cab on an F650 chassis. 
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Residency Evil posted:There's an E63 wagon or two in my neighborhood and whenever I see them I wonder what they're really for. It's not like people take them to the track with any frequency. Seems like a regular e series wagon would do most everything you'd ever want. nobody buys AMG cars because of the actual performance, AMG versions are popular because they’re the more expensive/exclusive/better trim
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May 5, 2019 19:27
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Wheeee posted:nobody buys AMG cars because of the actual performance, AMG versions are popular because they’re the more expensive/exclusive/better trim Not true. They compete directly with M cars. The V8 AMGs are properly fast and can hold their own on a track, even the big ones. The GT 4 door is the fastest 4 door around the Nurburgring IIRC.
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May 5, 2019 20:07
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They are the most expensive, but they are expensive because of the performance. It varies heavily with the model as well. AMG buyers tend to be younger and wealthier on average compared to non-AMG buyers. There are definitely people who just buy the most expensive one though without regards to performance - the 65 AMGs are slower than the 63s in every model I believe, despite their higher power. There's a quote I've seen a few times regarding the 65-series AMGs where the guy who works at the dealership is like 'they buy the S65 because there isn't an S75' but that is a pretty small part of the market and I don't think your generalization is correct. I would say it does apply to things like the pre-2019 G-wagen which is only purchased for purposes of conspicuous consumption as it is by all accounts a terrible vehicle, but they only sell a few thousand of those a year. I think the real appeal, besides the performance, is horsepower as a status symbol and the 'street cred' associated with it. I'd notice a C63 before the 50th S550 I've seen even though the latter is the nicer, more expensive vehicle. heated game moment fucked around with this message at 20:55 on May 5, 2019 |
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While I can't say all AMGs never get time on a track you're mad claiming people don't buy them because they're the most expensive model. For the most part they're a display of wealth outside of how fantastic they are as actual performance cars.
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May 5, 2019 21:21
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I like the implication that they're legit because they compete with M cars, that's loving hilarious. Most people that buy M cars and AMGs do it because they're badge chasing, you're goddamn delusional if you think otherwise. This is why they came up with the "junior" badges like M-Sport in the first loving place. Same thing applies to Audi S cars. The performance matters, in terms of bench racing your co-workers, but it's definitely about making sure everyone knows you paid extra not to have a plain jane, everyman 3-series or E class.
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May 5, 2019 21:41
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But if you're just paying for the badge, why would you get a C63s over an S450? ...And why would you get a GT-R over a Ferrari Portofino?
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May 5, 2019 21:48
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Maybe because a GTR is like half the price of a Portofino?
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It’s kind of like putting fake M badges on your 328i, anyone who cares will know it’s fake, and anyone who won’t know doesn’t care in the first place I don’t think, everything else being equal, they would sell many M/AMG models if they were priced the same but didn’t have increased performance
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May 5, 2019 21:56
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Where do people buying a Cayman GT4 rather than a base 911 fall on this scale?
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incels interlinked posted:It’s kind of like putting fake M badges on your 328i, anyone who cares will know it’s fake, and anyone who won’t know doesn’t care in the first place You won't fool anybody who cares, anybody you do fool won't care. Although, should i ever own an Alfa, i will be immidately be putting quadriformaggio badges on it.
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Agreed that 99% of those buying AMGs are buying it as a status symbol, performance notwithstanding. I think they’re way too uncomfortable to be true to the Mercedes brand, never mind the costTwerk from Home posted:Where do people buying a Cayman GT4 rather than a base 911 fall on this scale? They’re entirely different markets. The Cayman owners I’ve met tend to skew way younger (and Asian, interestingly) got off on a technicality fucked around with this message at 23:33 on May 5, 2019 |
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I haven't yet seen the new Mazda 3 hatch in person but my first thought from pictures was that the rear was disproportionately bulbus and ugly. But now I'm thinking the proportions might actually work really well with wide (255-265?) tires in the back. Here's to hoping they make a hot hatch version 
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Is the Cayman GT4 the car that punches out it's shock towers if you look at a pothole the wrong way?Sits on Pilster posted:I haven't yet seen the new Mazda 3 hatch in person but my first thought from pictures was that the rear was disproportionately bulbus and ugly. But now I'm thinking the proportions might actually work really well with wide (255-265?) tires in the back. Here's to hoping they make a hot hatch version It breaks the car for me. Don't look at it, don't think about it, just pretend it isn't happening. What's even happening there? did the door guy not talk to the wheel arch guy? 
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got off on a technicality posted:Agreed that 99% of those buying AMGs are buying it as a status symbol, performance notwithstanding. I think they’re way too uncomfortable to be true to the Mercedes brand, never mind the cost AMG appeals to people who don't want a stodgy old man car though, that's the entire point of the brand. Like if you are in the market for a C63/E63 you are probably going to cross-shop them with other performance oriented cars like the BMW Ms, Cadillac Vs, Audi S/RS or even the SRT Dodges, not an E300 or other 'normal' model In other words, the high horsepower of your sexy super sedan lets people know 'this guy fucks'
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Sits on Pilster posted:I haven't yet seen the new Mazda 3 hatch in person but my first thought from pictures was that the rear was disproportionately bulbus and ugly. But now I'm thinking the proportions might actually work really well with wide (255-265?) tires in the back. Here's to hoping they make a hot hatch version I’ve seen one in person at my work in mica blue. It’s the hatch with the 2.5 and awd and I’m surprised how well it all ties together. I’ve parked my cx-3 and it makes mine look like a micro machine in regards to proportions.
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fridge corn posted:Maybe because a GTR is like half the price of a Portofino? Not a Nissan GTR, a Mercedes GT-R. Once you add all the bits and bobs and the "Look at me, I'm a super car" green or yellow paint job, you're on the fun side of $200k.
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KillHour posted:Not a Nissan GTR, a Mercedes GT-R. I see AMG GTs pretty often but have only seen 1 GT-R and it was of course in that green color. I've seen way more G550 4x4^2, which in retrospect turned out to be a good buy since you can't find them for much less than MSRP 2 years later. The GT seems to suffer from the typical AMG depreciation
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incels interlinked posted:I see AMG GTs pretty often but have only seen 1 GT-R and it was of course in that green color. I've seen way more G550 4x4^2, which in retrospect turned out to be a good buy since you can't find them for much less than MSRP 2 years later. The GT seems to suffer from the typical AMG depreciation I was hoping the SLS AMG was gonna drop like a rock and be $30k everywhere by now  The cheapest ones are still 100 grand. Even SLR Mclarens bottomed out around $200k, stupid air conditioned fuel and all.
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Yep, kind of hoping I might be able to get into an SLS one day. Now can we please get back to the much more serious problem of people buying trucks who don't even tow or haul.
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Throatwarbler posted:Yep, kind of hoping I might be able to get into an SLS one day. That seems like something that should stay between you and your therapist.
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Powershift posted:I was hoping the SLS AMG was gonna drop like a rock and be $30k everywhere by now Wait is this really a thing?
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ihop posted:Wait is this really a thing? quote:HOW MUCH IS A SERVICE ON A SLR. I was told that a A service is about 4,000 to 5,500 about 25 hours is that RIGHT a B service is about 7,500 to 8,500 about 33 hours. and at 4 years it could be as much as 15,000 to 20,000 50-60 hours and that is just for spark plugs and fuel filter + service. and it will take about 3 weeks to do. thay say that thay have to remove the engine and transmission for the spark plugs and the gas tank to replace the fuel filter. what the HELL am i missing anything. why so much quote:Service is stupid money.It's like they see you coming.1st service on the 722 was around 5k. quote:The reason why its so much money is because its labor intensive. I've done services on these cars. Have not done a major service on one yet, but the motor does have to come out to do spark plugs, or any components on top of the motor. I have pulled the fuel tanks on one and its about 9 hours of work. The under body has over 140 bolts that hold the under paneling in place, they are all bolted into the carbon fiber body so no power or air tools allowed. And all have to be torqued because the under body is part on the vehicles frame structure. heated game moment fucked around with this message at 02:09 on May 6, 2019 |
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ihop posted:Wait is this really a thing? Having a hell of a time finding it, but year, the SLR Mclaren routes the fuel lines through the HVAC system to cool the fuel for more power. If you start smelling gas in the cabin, basically the entire front end of the car has to come off. This is a whole different problem, because the fuel tank is actually 2 fuel tanks. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaENg8Nziiw In many ways, it's a terrible car and i want one so loving bad
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I think I remember reading that they cooled the fuel because the SLS ran so hot that it would have a tendency to vapor lock after being parked for a while; especially in warm climates.
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Fuel cooling on return systems isn't that uncommon on super high injection rate vehicles. Doesn't the Dodge Demon also cool the fuel on 100 octane mode? Edit: phone posting grammar McTinkerson fucked around with this message at 02:42 on May 6, 2019 |
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Powershift posted:Is the Cayman GT4 the car that punches out it's shock towers if you look at a pothole the wrong way? I don't follow Porsche much but I'd rather have a mid engine than a rear engine? Also that's not the new Mazda 3.
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Charles posted:I don't follow Porsche much but I'd rather have a mid engine than a rear engine? All modern cars look the same to me. and yeah, the Cayman GT4 is an idiot car for idiots  
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