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Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


Nobody wanted to buy singles of Miracleman, we wanted clean hardcover trades.

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Edge & Christian
May 20, 2001

Earth-1145 is truly the best!
A world of singing, magic frogs,
high adventure, no shitposters

Rhyno posted:

And they reprinted all that Anglo stuff that barely anyone was asking for. Such a head scratcher.
Now that (which also did not help the reprint Miracleman brand at all) I do think was actually vamping for time while they made 100% sure they had all of the rights to the 1980s-1990s stuff airtight. The fact that they started working on securing the rights in 2001, announced they had them with great fanfare at San Diego 2009, did those Mick Angelo reprints in 2010 and didn't get around to announcing they had the Eclipse/Moore/Gaiman rights locked up and they'd be reprinting the stuff until 2013 makes that look like a real stopgap. The current gap seems to be a money/production thing. Though spinning their wheels with lovely 1950s reprints for three years did the marketability of it all zero favors.

Though I guess last summer they announced at a retailer conference that "the final legal hurdles have been cleared" for a 2019 return of Miracleman?

Gaiman's statement doesn't really say that it was a rights issue, though:

quote:

I'm thrilled that all the barriers that were keeping Mark and me from working on Miracleman have been cleared. We're thrilled to finally be back in the world of Michael Moran and Dicky Dauntless, of Marvels and of Miracles.

Dez Skinn's lawyers? Contract issues? Marketing concerns? The vengeful ghost of CC Beck? A literal wall of unsold variant covers of the first six issues? Who knows?

Edge & Christian fucked around with this message at 19:57 on May 5, 2019

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!
Man, what a mess.

I just want to see if finished before I stop caring and that could happen without notice.

Uthor
Jul 9, 2006

Gummy Bear Heaven ... It's where I go when the world is too mean.

Lurdiak posted:

Nobody wanted to buy singles of Miracleman, we wanted clean hardcover trades.

I've learned a long time ago that I need to wait for the trades to be complete. Mostly because of DC, but I still apply it to other publishers.

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



Lurdiak posted:

Nobody wanted to buy singles of Miracleman, we wanted clean hardcover trades.
I'd take a softcover trade.

Happy Hippo
Aug 8, 2004

The Something Awful Forums > The Finer Arts > Batman's Shameful Secret > BSS Derailed Thread: Spider-Island

Jesus, I remember when those singles started coming out I was so excited that I'd eventually be getting OSHCs and eventually an omnibus of the completed run. What the gently caress, Marvel?

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

Does anyone know where this infamous old page is from?



I've always been vaguely curious about the context for it, if there is any.

Selachian
Oct 9, 2012

Bicyclops posted:

Does anyone know where this infamous old page is from?



I've always been vaguely curious about the context for it, if there is any.

A bit of searching suggests it's from a coloring book. It's definitely adapted from this story (Batman #13, 1942):



If you're still wondering, the Joker is stealing the report card because he wants to forge the kid's dad's signature.

Selachian fucked around with this message at 20:36 on May 6, 2019

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

Selachian posted:

A bit of searching suggests it's from a coloring book. It's definitely adapted from this story (Batman #13, 1942):



If you're still wondering, the Joker is stealing the report card because he wants to forge the kid's dad's signature.

lmao

Thank you, the original only makes it funnier somehow.

Selachian
Oct 9, 2012

Even better, John Blake eventually grew up to be a Gotham cop, perhaps provoked by the Joker stealing his report card. (Joseph Gordon-Levitt played him in The Dark Knight Rises.)

Air Skwirl
May 13, 2007

Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed shitposting.

Selachian posted:

Even better, John Blake eventually grew up to be a Gotham cop, perhaps provoked by the Joker stealing his report card. (Joseph Gordon-Levitt played him in The Dark Knight Rises.)

That's a deep loving cut for a film series that didn't even have Montoya.

Doom Mathematic
Sep 2, 2008

Skwirl posted:

That's a deep loving cut for a film series that didn't even have Montoya.

I thought they had a Montoya-like character, but then intentionally gave the character a different name from "Montoya" because the character was too minor or differed too much from the comics version?

Random Stranger
Nov 27, 2009



Doom Mathematic posted:

I thought they had a Montoya-like character, but then intentionally gave the character a different name from "Montoya" because the character was too minor or differed too much from the comics version?

Right, because movies are extremely concerned about fidelity to the original characters from the sources they're adapting.

If the name "Montoya" was dropped, it was 100% because they'd have to pay someone to use her.

Lobok
Jul 13, 2006

Say Watt?

Did the NotMontoya character in the movies end up a traitor or something? I'm fuzzy on the details but I feel like she did something bad.

Cubone
May 26, 2011

Because it never leaves its bedroom, no one has ever seen this poster's real face.

Doom Mathematic posted:

I thought they had a Montoya-like character, but then intentionally gave the character a different name from "Montoya" because the character was too minor or differed too much from the comics version?
Ramirez from Dark Knight
I actually thought that was clever, because a comic fan watching is going to be predisposed to seeing her as an ersatz Montoya, so when it turns out she's on Moroni's payroll, it doesn't sting as bad as if it were Montoya, but it still feels like a surprise and a betrayal.

Alaois
Feb 7, 2012

Lobok posted:

Did the NotMontoya character in the movies end up a traitor or something? I'm fuzzy on the details but I feel like she did something bad.

she was one of the two dirty cops who kidnapped harvey and rachael for the joker or something, she was one of Two-Face's targets

Bicyclops
Aug 27, 2004

The Nolan movies have an absolute ton of problems, but the way that they played on expectations for people who were fans of the comics was interesting, to say the least. It's pretty funny that movie Gordon-Levitt's character has the same name as report card kid, even if it is a coincidence.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


Begins had a very obvious Bullock-inspired character who was just a sleazy dirty cop instead of having a secret heart of gold, and The Dark Knight had evil Rene Montoya who got punched in the face by Dent. I think their names were changed deliberately so comic fans wouldn't be upset at the movie "doing them wrong" or distracted by it.

muscles like this!
Jan 17, 2005


The guy from Begins was a version of Detective Flass who was Gordon's corrupt partner in Batman: Year One.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


Sure, but Flass was a giant blonde-haired crew-cut quarterback looking SWAT motherfucker in the comic. The movie version was a fat drunken slob detective with stubble.

bessantj
Jul 27, 2004


Two questions. Can Jessica Drew Spider-Woman spin webs and does she have a 'spider sense'? Does anyone know what happened to Journey into Misery podcast?

Air Skwirl
May 13, 2007

Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed shitposting.

bessantj posted:

Two questions. Can Jessica Drew Spider-Woman spin webs and does she have a 'spider sense'? Does anyone know what happened to Journey into Misery podcast?

She can't and doesn't. No idea about Journey into Misery.

X-O
Apr 28, 2002

Long Live The King!

In addition to the super hero starter pack (super strength, stamina, reflexes, agility) she can stick to walls, has an electric venom blast, is immune to radiation, and depending on if the writer remembers or chooses to acknowledge has super senses (like smell, not spidey-sense) and a weird pheromone power.

bessantj
Jul 27, 2004


Skwirl posted:

No idea about Journey into Misery.

It seems to have disappeared and that's a shame because it's a very informative podcast for super hero origins.

X-O posted:

In addition to the super hero starter pack (super strength, stamina, reflexes, agility) she can stick to walls, has an electric venom blast, is immune to radiation, and depending on if the writer remembers or chooses to acknowledge has super senses (like smell, not spidey-sense) and a weird pheromone power.

Thanks. I knew about the venom blasts and the pheromone power but not about being immune to radiation. I think I'm getting her power set mixed up with the cartoon they did of her because I'm pretty sure she could fire a spider silk out of her fingers but I could never remember her doing that in the comics, pretty sure she could glide for a long time as well.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

bessantj posted:

Thanks. I knew about the venom blasts and the pheromone power but not about being immune to radiation. I think I'm getting her power set mixed up with the cartoon they did of her because I'm pretty sure she could fire a spider silk out of her fingers but I could never remember her doing that in the comics, pretty sure she could glide for a long time as well.

Yeah, Jessica can glide for... some reason.

Benito Cereno
Jan 20, 2006

ALLEZ-OUP!
The second Spider-Woman, Julia Carpenter, could shoot like psychic webs or something out of her fingers

Selachian
Oct 9, 2012

Dawgstar posted:

Yeah, Jessica can glide for... some reason.

Her costume originally included underarm webs, which ranged in size from large (wrists to hips) to small (barely the size of a hand fan), depending on what the artist felt like drawing. I'm sure that's where the gliding abilities came from.

Random Stranger
Nov 27, 2009



Benito Cereno posted:

The second Spider-Woman, Julia Carpenter, could shoot like psychic webs or something out of her fingers

Yep, psychic webs.

I always liked her version of the Spider-Costume, the additional white highlights looked good. Much better than any of the Drew Spider-Woman costumes.

X-O
Apr 28, 2002

Long Live The King!

Random Stranger posted:

Yep, psychic webs.

I always liked her version of the Spider-Costume, the additional white highlights looked good. Much better than any of the Drew Spider-Woman costumes.

Drew's current costume from the Hopeless run is better.

Open Marriage Night
Sep 18, 2009

"Do you want to talk to a spider, Peter?"


I like the original Drew and Carpenter costumes, but the Hopeless era one is some top notch costuming. Her and Captain Marvel should have teamed up more.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!
Echoing the Hopless costume praise. One of the best modern updates.

Cheap Trick
Jan 4, 2007

Rhyno posted:

Echoing the Hopless costume praise. One of the best modern updates.

Who is that in your avatar, and how'd they get to that state?

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!
Guy Gardner from Injustice.

Hal Jordan killed him.

Cheap Trick
Jan 4, 2007

Rhyno posted:

Guy Gardner from Injustice.

Hal Jordan killed him.

Noooooooo, why him!

Actually I didn't even know Guy Gardner was in Injustice, I gotta lot of catching up to do.

bessantj
Jul 27, 2004


X-O posted:

Drew's current costume from the Hopeless run is better.

For a long time I preferred the original spider-woman costume but I've come round to the new one.

Speaking of Spider-women have Silk and Peter Parker interacted recently and do they still have that attraction thing to each other?

TwoPair
Mar 28, 2010

Pandamn It Feels Good To Be A Gangsta
Grimey Drawer

bessantj posted:

For a long time I preferred the original spider-woman costume but I've come round to the new one.

Speaking of Spider-women have Silk and Peter Parker interacted recently and do they still have that attraction thing to each other?

Yes and no respectively. Well okay not recently recently since her appearances have been sparse after her book got canned, but pretty much all their interactions since Spider-Verse have been normal.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

I love Drew's new costume for the same reason I liked Cooke's redesign of Catwoman, in the attempt to make it look something like functional.

Man, between Spider-Woman, Silk and Spider-Gwen for a while there you had three really fun female-fronted Spider-themed books and it bums me out they're gone and Silk's relegated to the odd miniseries.

Gavok
Oct 10, 2005

Brock! Oh, man, I'm sorry about your...

...tooth?


Cheap Trick posted:

Noooooooo, why him!

Because he's not in the game proper and if the game's status quo has Yellow Lantern Hal Jordan ruling the world alongside Superman and Sinestro, Guy really shouldn't be part of the picture by that point.

quote:

Actually I didn't even know Guy Gardner was in Injustice, I gotta lot of catching up to do.

He's only in the prequel comics. Namely Injustice: Year 2 and Injustice 2 (where he's Hal's guilt personified).

bessantj
Jul 27, 2004


TwoPair posted:

Yes and no respectively. Well okay not recently recently since her appearances have been sparse after her book got canned, but pretty much all their interactions since Spider-Verse have been normal.

Thank you.

I was reading Amazing Spider-Man #100 and there is a part when Gwen suggests that she and Peter go to watch a Swedish erotic movie and Peter can cover her eyes during the 'spicier' bits. Has there been comics, from DC or Marvel, where the characters just say they're going to watch porn or something like that? It's probably more recently or from the 90s but I wonder if there are any from the 70s/80s

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The Question IRL
Jun 8, 2013

Only two contestants left! Here is Doom's chance for revenge...

bessantj posted:

Thank you.

I was reading Amazing Spider-Man #100 and there is a part when Gwen suggests that she and Peter go to watch a Swedish erotic movie and Peter can cover her eyes during the 'spicier' bits. Has there been comics, from DC or Marvel, where the characters just say they're going to watch porn or something like that? It's probably more recently or from the 90s but I wonder if there are any from the 70s/80s

Funnily enough and in keeping with the previous line of conversation, I believe the answer is Guy Gardner.

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