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RuanGacho posted:I agree with the Word Salad Bar rule. Do people think demanding other posters answer a list of questions would fall under that rule or not?
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Trabisnikof posted:Do people think demanding other posters answer a list of questions would fall under that rule or not? It depends on how easy the list of questions is to understand, presumably.
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May 5, 2019 00:06
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Trabisnikof posted:Do people think demanding other posters answer a list of questions would fall under that rule or not? Isn't that the Gish gallop?
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May 5, 2019 00:09
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Isn't that the Gish gallop? Nah, gish gallop's just a large number of litanized arguments in a short span.
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May 5, 2019 00:11
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Discendo Vox posted:Nah, gish gallop's just a large number of litanized arguments in a short span. The problem with that is that you're expected to engage with each one and usually you end up giving up because you can't spare the time. Isn't that the same as having a large list of questions you're expected to answer? This is a forum, not a job interview or a test.
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May 5, 2019 00:13
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Here's the problem with the word salad rule, one can exhaustingly define terms. I'm talking referencing specfic works, even providing quotations from said works directly explaining said definition, then discussing how said definition arose historically and how this language is equivalent to other concepts. Then a new rear end in a top hat comes in and goes "what do you mean?" That's not what that word means this here's what my dictionary says.
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May 5, 2019 04:25
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It's true someone can come in and sealion someone else's clear, well-cited, detailed effortpost. That's a separate problem, I'd argue.
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That seems like it would fall under the effort being met with no effort clause.
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May 5, 2019 04:53
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Discendo Vox posted:I've been toying with a couple rough rule ideas that cover a bunch of issues in posting in some parts of DnD. They effectively tries to tease out a pattern of bad posting that sort of falls under the current effort and catchall rules, but with more specific examples. they suck
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exmarx posted:they suck You can't possibly say this took more effort to read than it took to write. The rule works!
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WampaLord posted:I like the Democratic Primary thread, it's a great source of information and discussion about the primary race. Is that enough of an answer for you? Do I pass whatever dumb test this is? I think treating D&D as the comments section of a news aggregator is a low bar and should not be respected as a goal, because the discussion in that case is boring and there's nothing to debate or discuss. CSPAM is better for this low effort containment. This is why I continually go back to: what is this forum even for? Because that has not really gotten a satisfying answer. You have been clear about this unclarity, and that's the problem. Though it took you three posts, thank you for articulating a single very bad yet currently-existing reason to post in D&D however. I mean this sincerely. Discendo Vox posted:I should've thought of "word salad", it's a good way to put it and I was struggling for a name. I do wanna emphasize that it's very possible to trigger this rule with a short post too, though. Some of the short posts arguing about arguing about arguing about ideas of leftism on this very page are completely impenetrable to me, and I read regulatory documents for fun. Maybe instead of probating things you don't understand, incidentally making you--in this instance--the arbiter of such, we should talk about it in a forum of some kind so we can understand each other better. Willie Tomg fucked around with this message at 06:46 on May 5, 2019 |
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May 5, 2019 06:16
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It's against the general forums rules anyway, but can we maybe get some clear cut consequences spelled out for buying people avatars with hate symbols? It seems to be happening in D&D more and more often lately, and nothing ever seems to happen to the people wasting their money on signal boosting hate groups.
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May 5, 2019 08:38
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Kerning Chameleon posted:It's against the general forums rules anyway, but can we maybe get some clear cut consequences spelled out for buying people avatars with hate symbols? It seems to be happening in D&D more and more often lately, and nothing ever seems to happen to the people wasting their money on signal boosting hate groups. there's no way of knowing who bought what unless they admit it themselves. in my experience you can ask a mod to remove bad avs though.
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May 5, 2019 09:02
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Kerning Chameleon posted:It's against the general forums rules anyway, but can we maybe get some clear cut consequences spelled out for buying people avatars with hate symbols? It seems to be happening in D&D more and more often lately, and nothing ever seems to happen to the people wasting their money on signal boosting hate groups. Its tied into the store front and its been brought up before that its pretty much a no go to find out who bought what. UCS Hellmaker fucked around with this message at 10:52 on May 5, 2019 |
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May 5, 2019 10:46
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Kerning Chameleon posted:It's against the general forums rules anyway, but can we maybe get some clear cut consequences spelled out for buying people avatars with hate symbols? It seems to be happening in D&D more and more often lately, and nothing ever seems to happen to the people wasting their money on signal boosting hate groups. Yea, even though we have no way of tracking who buys them, I would like a mod to come out and say "Hey, knock this poo poo off" the next time it happens because loving yikes:  Buying someone who is clearly not a Nazi a Nazi avatar (or in the example above, threatening to buy them one if they don't "stay out of D&D" what in the gently caress) in an attempt to silence them is pretty hosed up, and it seems to be a favorite tactic of certain D&D regulars and it's loving disturbing, It's one thing for Mnoba, who said he loves Trump and would kiss his orange Nazi face, but what in the gently caress is this poo poo?
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May 5, 2019 16:01
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The mods may not want to draw too much attention to a mechanism of abuse that they can't do anything to stop or discipline for. vvv I'm not saying it's necessarily a good reason- I'm not sure what I'd do in their shoes, it's a real problem (if a lucrative one). Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 16:25 on May 5, 2019 |
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Discendo Vox posted:The mods may not want to draw too much attention to a mechanism of abuse that they can't do anything to stop or discipline for. Do you honestly think them remaining silent about this tactic will stop it from happening despite that it's happening now? I also remember loquacius (who is Jewish) getting one for an argument in the politoons thread. If the mods came out and said "Hey, no more of this poo poo" I would like to hope that the posters buying them would get the message, saying nothing is an implicit endorsement of the behavior. This thread hates the idea of D&D becoming an echo chamber, but mashing the  button by spending  to give someone a Nazi av just for disagreeing with you in a minor way about politics is probably the quickest way to make this place an echo chamber.Discendo Vox posted:vvv I'm not saying it's necessarily a good reason- I'm not sure what I'd do in their shoes, it's a real problem (if a lucrative one). How many times has it happened that it's a "lucrative" problem?!? I've only seen it a handful of times, are you suggesting it's an actual large chunk of the forums revenue? I think Lowtax can survive without $50 or $60 from Nazi avs bought for non-Nazi posters considering his Patreon. WampaLord fucked around with this message at 16:32 on May 5, 2019 |
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May 5, 2019 16:10
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I would think that if SA had a policy of reverting hate symbol avs it would cut down on it for purely economic reasons.
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May 5, 2019 17:45
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Absurd Alhazred posted:I would think that if SA had a policy of reverting hate symbol avs it would cut down on it for purely economic reasons. if we can't actually stop people from giving out nazi avs for purely technical reasons this might be a good backstop. there's plenty of ways to make sure everyone knows you think someone is a horrible nazi without actually using swastikas
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May 5, 2019 18:17
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stop buying swastika avatars or you dumb fucks stupid enough to set foot into cspam aren't going to like what i do to you
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May 5, 2019 18:21
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I will reverse Nazi or NSFW avatars on request, usually at discretion, but I don’t always see them since I phone post through the app a lot of the time.
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Jan posted:Mod edit: extremely nope This is good and should really be the standard punishment for such things until people can stop posting it so often, lowtax has more than enough to deal with right now
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it makes obvious sense to remove avs where expressing the same sentiment in a post would get somebody banned. it's a $10 tax both ways.
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May 5, 2019 21:01
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I think they buy them for themselves. It's a false flag op.
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May 6, 2019 00:53
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i'm gonna keep the rules chat up for another few days then put up a final list here. that will be followed by a new stickied rules thread. a d&d mod made a good suggestion to, instead of adding just one full mod or make every op an ik (recipe for disaster), give three of the busiest threads their own iks. please react reasonably and calmly to the new blood. uspol - fool_of_sound primarythread - main paineframe canpol - helsing
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R. Guyovich posted:i'm gonna keep the rules chat up for another few days then put up a final list here. that will be followed by a new stickied rules thread. If these three posters could kindly pm me, I can tell you some more things.
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May 6, 2019 05:37
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Lightning Knight posted:If these three posters could kindly pm me, I can tell you some more things. The secret mod handshake, how to probate with a hard look, the wu-tang secret, all this and more
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:The secret mod handshake, how to probate with a hard look, the wu-tang secret, all this and more More like “here is a discord group chat where we will shitpost memes and lol at specific posts”
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Lightning Knight posted:More like “here is a discord group chat where we will shitpost memes and lol at specific posts” ....where all those things are discussed, clearly, I'm onto you, I know the secrets you all hold
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May 6, 2019 06:02
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R. Guyovich posted:<announcements>
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Unoriginal Name posted:Pretty sure the mods can agree with themselves on what they believe the expected outcome is. They do not need you to agree with their belief. Absurd Alhazred posted:The problem with that is that you're expected to engage with each one and usually you end up giving up because you can't spare the time. Isn't that the same as having a large list of questions you're expected to answer? This is a forum, not a job interview or a test. WampaLord posted:How many times has it happened that it's a "lucrative" problem?!? At the end of the day, no one knows who is buying them, so taking their money and reverting the avs on request is probably the easiest option. twodot posted:I have no objections to any of this, but I really think an explanation of the philosophy and expectations of the moderation team (whatever the composition) of D&D is like a thousand times more important than announcing IKs or rules.
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May 6, 2019 07:02
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R. Guyovich posted:uspol - fool_of_sound
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twodot posted:Also as a follow-up given that I specifically think fool_of_sound is an rear end in a top hat, if I want to discuss any sort of US politics do I need to post in uspol, or can we create threads about US politics that aren't uspol? it's these kinds of questions that make me not take your other questions seriously!
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R. Guyovich posted:it's these kinds of questions that make me not take your other questions seriously! Are you looking for diversity of opinion in the USPOL thread? If so, possibly problematic? If not, probably fine.
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Regardless, the person who just said "Literally every right winger I've ever seen in D&D has the same playbook" and thinks that pro-life posters should be banned has been rewarded with oversight of uspol. Like, come on.You're not even pretending anymore. At this point, why not just be honest with everyone and explicitly forbid conservatives, republicans, and Trump voters? To me, the idea that no one should be subjected to an opinion they don't agree with seems anathema to SA first principles, and a place where the hottest debate is "democratic socialism or social democracy" sounds lame and boring. But at least explicitly codifying that in a rule shows more respect for your posters' time and intelligence than folding your arms and bald-faced insisting that the rules will be fairly enforced by the person you've chosen. TheDisreputableDog fucked around with this message at 15:01 on May 6, 2019 |
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TheDisreputableDog posted:Regardless, the person who just said "Literally every right winger I've ever seen in D&D has the same playbook" and thinks that pro-life posters should be banned has been rewarded with oversight of uspol. Like, come on.You're not even pretending anymore. And if those "opinions" could be defended in good faith, then they'd be allowed here, but they cannot. Every defense of conservatism--and Trumpism in particular--resorts to the same tired, racist, sexist, hateful playbook, and then eventually to just straight-up trolling. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's not actually a chicken.
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TheDisreputableDog posted:Regardless, the person who just said "Literally every right winger I've ever seen in D&D has the same playbook" and thinks that pro-life posters should be banned has been rewarded with oversight of uspol. Like, come on.You're not even pretending anymore. You could start a different thread about your favorite conservative issue.
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I promise I won't probate anyone for arguing for data based restrictions on abortion or specifics of immigration policy. People are allowed to oppose gun restrictions or support the American military or even defend cops, unless they're being racist or ghoulish while doing so. My goal isn't to ensure only opinions I agree with, it's to promote discussion and intellectual growth by keeping it on topic, safe and welcoming, and free of people acting like assholes.
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R. Guyovich posted:it's these kinds of questions that make me not take your other questions seriously! maybe you could clarify why appoint someone who has literally never posted in USPOL as IK? as far as i know, MP and helsing are regulars in their respective threads i don't have any particular grudge against f_o_s but it appears that you made a whole thread asking for suggestions then ignored them and put someone you like in charge eke out fucked around with this message at 16:01 on May 6, 2019 |
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R. Guyovich posted:it's these kinds of questions that make me not take your other questions seriously!
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