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cock hero flux posted:this seems like an argument furries make to try and paint people as homophobic for being put off by their community of glassy-eyed dogfuckers Sure, I dunno how well that argument holds up. It isn’t mine. The reason I felt the need to respond to that post though is it bothered me how Anne Whateley immediately felt the need to defend the person responding to “a lot of furries are LGBT” with “yeah, well a lot of furries have HIV too!” Like, that’s barely even a dogwhistle, the only way the “HOMO = HIV” implication could have been made more clear is if ArgumentatumE.C.T spelled it out in giant flashing red text. Say what you will about furries, at least they’re probably better than us at detecting dogwhistles. 
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CaptainSarcastic posted:I have a feeling that Nazis are over-represented in the population of furries compared to non-furries.
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https://news.avclub.com/the-insane-story-of-a-furry-convention-undone-by-its-de-1798264086 No one actually needs to attack furries they are perfectly capable of ruining their own culture themselves. The people posting fursuit pics and declaring their fursonas as their true identity are basically Ned Flanders when you get Nazi diaper furs walking/crawling around a crowded hotel with a heavy load steaming away in their diaper.
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Ariong posted:Sure, I dunno how well that argument holds up. It isn’t mine. The reason I felt the need to respond to that post though is it bothered me how Anne Whateley immediately felt the need to defend the person responding to “a lot of furries are LGBT” with “yeah, well a lot of furries have HIV too!” Like, that’s barely even a dogwhistle, the only way the “HOMO = HIV” implication could have been made more clear is if ArgumentatumE.C.T spelled it out in giant flashing red text. I'm bi, if that helps
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FactsAreUseless posted:Something that Trad Games has talked about for years is the "nerd social fallacies," the biggest of which is the idea that, as nerds, we have to accept every other nerd in the face of some sort of anti-nerd oppression. You see this in a lot of communities that base their identities in some sort of common activity - see how the right tried to take over "gamer" as an identity. Furries aren't an exception. And since it's a community/fetish/whatever that attracts some very mentally ill and socially maladjusted people, I think they put up with a lot of real unacceptable behavior. This doesn't make it okay, and furries need to do a much better job of self-policing their shared spaces. But it is sadly predictable that it would happen. That makes good sense. I think a rough parallel is with advocates of civil liberties getting so entrenched in defending "freedom of speech" that the extremists warp it around to demanding "speech without consequences." Even the ACLU has been having to do some soul-searching on that one. I remember this article on the subject from last year: https://www.theguardian.com/news/20...charlottesville
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Anne Whateley posted:My takeaway from that post wasn't "a lot of furries have HIV, therefore they must be gay" (????) but "some furries are knowingly infecting others with HIV," which says nothing about LGBT people, but a lot about how awful those specific people are. But the post was a direct response to Accordion Man’s post about LGBT furries. It quoted that post. Therefore, those images were meant to say something about the LGBT community. EDIT: If you still disagree, let me ask you this: why do you think ArgumentatumE.C.T quoted Accordion Man’s post about LGBT furries in their post about furries intentionally spreading HIV around? What do you think they were trying to say? Because I think the implication is extremely obvious. Ariong has a new favorite as of 00:22 on May 6, 2019 |
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extremely paraphrased but this was how I read it Accordion Man: now that I think about it, hating furries was mostly homo/transphobia AECT: no, some furries have done some awful stuff, like knowingly infecting others and allowing predators to thrive in their community, which is a legit reason to have issues with them
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Well if that’s what they meant, they did a very bad job expressing it. EDIT Like, could they not have come up with a bad thing about furries that doesn’t also have a well-known history of being used as a weapon against gay people? Ariong has a new favorite as of 00:50 on May 6, 2019 |
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Ariong posted:But the post was a direct response to Accordion Man’s post about LGBT furries. It quoted that post. Therefore, those images were meant to say something about the LGBT community. That there are other reasons to criticize furries? If twenty years after the internet started mocking furries some of them are coming out as LGBT then that has nothing to do with the original idea of how weird and strange it was people dressed up like mascots and become famous for the orgies they would have. As someone who is LGBT I don't like that people with an animal suit fetish are being compared to my sexual orientation. It's extremely regressive since it's closer to the line of reasoning that people are gay or bi by choice or that being bi or trans are fetishes themselves. The sexual orientation of furries is incidental to the argument and they are just loving weirdos regardless of any other definable criteria like sex, race, gender, orientation or age.
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FactsAreUseless posted:see how the right tried to take over "gamer" as an identity.
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CaptainSarcastic posted:I have a feeling that Nazis are over-represented in the population of furries compared to non-furries. I'm the insane taxonomy of /science-tech/social-media/
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FactsAreUseless posted:Something that Trad Games has talked about for years is the "nerd social fallacies," the biggest of which is the idea that, as nerds, we have to accept every other nerd in the face of some sort of anti-nerd oppression. You see this in a lot of communities that base their identities in some sort of common activity - see how the right tried to take over "gamer" as an identity. Furries aren't an exception. And since it's a community/fetish/whatever that attracts some very mentally ill and socially maladjusted people, I think they put up with a lot of real unacceptable behavior. This doesn't make it okay, and furries need to do a much better job of self-policing their shared spaces. But it is sadly predictable that it would happen. gamers rise up
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El_Elegante posted:
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Ariong posted:WE WIVE IN A SOCIETY OWO TEXT
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Anne Whateley posted:extremely paraphrased but this was how I read it Straight and gay people have knowingly infected people and will do so in the future. It’s a really badly thought out point
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Of course all orientations of people have. That's why it's not anti-LGBT, it's anti–the community that lets them run amok, in this case anti-furry because of geek social fallaciesAriong posted:EDIT Like, could they not have come up with a bad thing about furries that doesn’t also have a well-known history of being used as a weapon against gay people?
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People hate furries for mostly the same reason people hate any nerd subculture, just more intensely. The relative anonymity exaggerates the worst aspects of overly horny nerds and a significant amount of people are going to be turned off by the giant emotionless eyes of a fursuit no matter what. That being said I have some friends that are furries and are good people, but I don't know any furries that don't also think that most of the furry community is creepy horny weirdos.
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GoutPatrol posted:I don't think I ever saw it, unless his avatar was a probation sixer. His avatar was the probation av but with different eyebrows. Quite clever.
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CannonFodder posted:His avatar was the probation av but with different eyebrows. He should've used that cleverness to not post like theabsolutely worthless poo poo he was.
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PYF Permabanned Poster Mine will always be BotL. What an rear end in a top hat!
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CannonFodder posted:His avatar was the probation av but with different eyebrows. That was an av given to him after the chain probes started. It was originally a cat a piece of paper over it's eyes, and the paper had eyes drawn on them. I liked that av, shame about the posts next to it.
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oldpainless posted:There’s no need to be hurtful more like oldpainless wait no
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Rust Martialis posted:more like oldpainless 
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Hogge Wilde's Recreate famous photos without photoshop thread was one of the best threads in years.
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Anne Whateley posted:Of course all orientations of people have. That's why it's not anti-LGBT, it's anti–the community that lets them run amok, in this case anti-furry because of geek social fallacies There's literally a specific stereotype about gay sexual predators who specifically target people to infect them with diseases, especially children. And even then the idea that AIDS is a punishment that gay people inevitably suffer for their decadent and feckless 'lifestyle'.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:There's literally a specific stereotype about gay sexual predators who specifically target people to infect them with diseases, especially children. And even then the idea that AIDS is a punishment that gay people inevitably suffer for their decadent and feckless 'lifestyle'. Retiring in Miami is punishment enough for a long gay life.
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Ghostlight posted:
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FactsAreUseless posted:Something that Trad Games has talked about for years is the "nerd social fallacies," the biggest of which is the idea that, as nerds, we have to accept every other nerd in the face of some sort of anti-nerd oppression. You see this in a lot of communities that base their identities in some sort of common activity - see how the right tried to take over "gamer" as an identity. Furries aren't an exception. And since it's a community/fetish/whatever that attracts some very mentally ill and socially maladjusted people, I think they put up with a lot of real unacceptable behavior. This doesn't make it okay, and furries need to do a much better job of self-policing their shared spaces. But it is sadly predictable that it would happen. The "nazis being overrepresented in furries" thing is probably just part of the general "facist group membership being overrepresented in populations of gay men" thing. It sounds really counterintuitive, but its apparently documented in the US and europe. I guess facist groups are almost entirely unattached young men so maybe its a target rich environment for some (lovely, short-sighted) gay dudes? Or maybe an internalized self loathing thing? I've never really understood it. Its not new though, i first read about this in like 2006 i think. Furries do seem to be doing well at tossing out nazis from what i've heard.
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There's any number of gross things furries have done, like a few years ago there was that whole thing where diaper furries got an entire con shut down because they poo poo literally everywhere but he chose to only post examples of furries having hiv like Hmmmm I Wonder What The Connection Could Be??
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:PYF Permabanned Poster I’m not familiar with hardly any of the prolific posters that have eaten permas in the last six months. I’ve genuinely enjoyed the qcs threads that follows a solid permaban.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:PYF Permabanned Poster Koos Group. What a hero!
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Is :kyoon: banned?
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Rust Martialis posted:Is :kyoon: banned? Permabanned
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To combine these two threads, does A LITERAL NAZI FURRY count? I think they were permaed. Its kinda hilarious how long they stuck around, i think everyone thought the name was a joke, even though they had a custom avatar of their literal nazi fursona.
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One More Fat Nerd posted:The "nazis being overrepresented in furries" thing is probably just part of the general "facist group membership being overrepresented in populations of gay men" thing. It sounds really counterintuitive, but its apparently documented in the US and europe. I guess facist groups are almost entirely unattached young men so maybe its a target rich environment for some (lovely, short-sighted) gay dudes? Or maybe an internalized self loathing thing? I've never really understood it. Its not new though, i first read about this in like 2006 i think. facism can be extremely homoerotic, if anyone is interested in this subject they should have a look at Klaus Theweleit's book Männerphantasien, it's all available online in pdf form for free
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lol LF is a loving graveyard of banned accounts
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Hey, how come YCS got moved to RFA and then closed? As far as I know it was the precursor to Imp Zone, and Imp Zone is pretty good. What was different about YCS?purple death ray posted:There's any number of gross things furries have done, like a few years ago there was that whole thing where diaper furries got an entire con shut down because they poo poo literally everywhere but he chose to only post examples of furries having hiv like Hmmmm I Wonder What The Connection Could Be?? 
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Check out badgame and it will become quickly evident
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Ghost Leviathan posted:There's literally a specific stereotype about gay sexual predators who specifically target people to infect them with diseases, especially children. And even then the idea that AIDS is a punishment that gay people inevitably suffer for their decadent and feckless 'lifestyle'. If someone didn't live through the Reagan era and the birth of AIDS (sorry, GRIDS), they might not be able to "get it".
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Ariong posted:Hey, how come YCS got moved to RFA and then closed? As far as I know it was the precursor to Imp Zone, and Imp Zone is pretty good. What was different about YCS? Probably because infecting someone deliberately with HIV is incredibly hosed up and (at least used to be) tantamount to ruining their life, whereas gross diaper fur things isn't....? e: diaper furries are incredibly hosed up, but they're probably not ruining anyone's lives but their own
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