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IPCRESS posted:It gets even better (worse): Just watched footage of people disembarking via the front slides, some of whom appeared to be carrying their carry-on luggage. Yeah, Europe. https://www.superjetinternational.com/media-center/sukhoi-superjet-100-gets-type-certificate-from-easa/2012/
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Synthbuttrange posted:https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-05-06/boeing-knew-737-problems-before-lion-air-ethiopia-crashes/11084326 In the US? Tens of dollars in fines from the faa
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Synthbuttrange posted:https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-05-06/boeing-knew-737-problems-before-lion-air-ethiopia-crashes/11084326 CEO will golden parachute, next CEO will talk about recomitting to safety. No other outcomes.
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9’2” Bridge. The younger, pluckier cousin of 11’8”.
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A view of the flaming landing from inside the cabin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irzzya97Ldg
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Synthbuttrange posted:https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-05-06/boeing-knew-737-problems-before-lion-air-ethiopia-crashes/11084326 Warning in question was a warning of a disagreement between AoA sensors. In the context of these crashes and the behavior of MCAS, that's noise.
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SelenicMartian posted:A view of the flaming landing from inside the cabin 
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SelenicMartian posted:A view of the flaming landing from inside the cabin Brown Moses posted:I mostly watch with the sound off so I can't hear the screams
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It makes me furious that 44 people or so died and yet people were getting off with their carry-on poo poo. There's no way the latter didn't contribute to the former in some way.
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Flash Gordon Ramsay posted:It makes me furious that 44 people or so died and yet people were getting off with their carry-on poo poo. There's no way the latter didn't contribute to the former in some way. I have watched grown-rear end adults just stare agape at the loud blinky thing like they have never heard a loving fire alarm before, and then argue with me about whether they need to leave.
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There's a reason why the military drills helicopter water evacuation into your head until you can literally do it blind. Fight or flight doesn't work in a situation where you need calm and order.
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Rent-A-Cop posted:People are insanely dumb and actually evacuating anything quickly is pretty much impossible without tons and tons of training. I was in a hotel room, passed out from a long night of partying when the fire alarm was pulled by some douchebag for no reason. I remember trying to figure out what to do, and just pacing around the room and half-doing things (putting on clothes, grabbing my wallet, etc.) but never really completing any action. I finally grabbed a pillow and held it over the strobe/horn and was able to gather my thoughts and get out. I think of myself as a smart person who knows what to do in emergencies, but if that building had actually been on fire I might not have made it out alive.
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Synthbuttrange posted:https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-05-06/boeing-knew-737-problems-before-lion-air-ethiopia-crashes/11084326 That's been known since the 2nd crash though hasnt it? That Boeing sells safety features as DLC They promised not to do that anymore and everybody forgot
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You know what's pretty OSHA? Leaving an old strip club and roach hotel abandoned for years and years with no inspections or renovations. Oh also it's absolutely full of asbestos. RIP my lungs? I could feel the heat just standing here.     View from my office window:  Even this far away our office stinks and people are coughing.
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Some people inside Boeing thought that feature was standard, while others (correctly) thought the AoA disagreement warning light was an optional purchase.
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Baronjutter posted:You know what's pretty OSHA? Leaving an old strip club and roach hotel abandoned for years and years with no inspections or renovations. Oh also it's absolutely full of asbestos. RIP my lungs? don't worry, asbestos doesn't burn!
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Rent-A-Cop posted:People are insanely dumb and actually evacuating anything quickly is pretty much impossible without tons and tons of training. Last time we had a fire alarm at work, we mostly just spent our time wondering what the gently caress it was(our building has like five different alarms for theft, doors being opened that should be left closed, etc. and half the time they go off it's because of a fault or just because someone who was MEANT to open the door didn't bother/remember disabling the alarm first. To make it doubly confusing, the fire-alarm is preceded by a coded message for the employees so they can prepare to usher out the customers which is very similar to ANOTHER coded message we get over the PA system every couple of days, and thus everyone thought it was just someone mangling that code). Then when someone actually hauled rear end down the building telling us it was a fire alarm, everyone calmly picked up their stuff and went out the main doors rather than using any of the intended emergency exits or leaving their stuff where it was. We would absolutely all die horribly if it was an actual fire.
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El_Elegante posted:Some people inside Boeing thought that feature was standard, while others (correctly) thought the AoA disagreement warning light was an optional purchase.
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El_Elegante posted:Im not sure, but here’s the press release You elected not to have the oil pressure number display installed on your car Accordingly, the software disables the oil pressure warning light Good luck
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Cojawfee posted:There's a reason why the military drills helicopter water evacuation into your head until you can literally do it blind. Fight or flight doesn't work in a situation where you need calm and order. Same thing with shipboard fire training in the USN and USCG
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Devor posted:You elected not to have the oil pressure number display installed on your car I haven't seen anything leading to a home run hanging of specific management yet. So far everything seems to be in the margins of a FMEA around the newer flight envelope management. There's probably a cadre of engineers yelling "I told you we should have just taught them the new envelope! I told you so!" Probably some fines and a middle management reshuffle at this point. Gonna need another bombshell for them to start touching anyone above a VP level except maybe a program manager who made the decision to focus on the flight envelope cheats to expand the market without requiring extra training on new flight characteristics.
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PurpleXVI posted:Last time we had a fire alarm at work, we mostly just spent our time wondering what the gently caress it was(our building has like five different alarms for theft, doors being opened that should be left closed, etc. and half the time they go off it's because of a fault or just because someone who was MEANT to open the door didn't bother/remember disabling the alarm first. To make it doubly confusing, the fire-alarm is preceded by a coded message for the employees so they can prepare to usher out the customers which is very similar to ANOTHER coded message we get over the PA system every couple of days, and thus everyone thought it was just someone mangling that code). Then when someone actually hauled rear end down the building telling us it was a fire alarm, everyone calmly picked up their stuff and went out the main doors rather than using any of the intended emergency exits or leaving their stuff where it was. Your workplace would benefit well from the studies on planes, nuclear power plants, etc. that talk about minimizing the number of warning signs that are given. There's a serious concern in high-risk fields about the tendency to put a light, alarm, or other warning for everything that could possibly need an alert because of the possibility of a cascading series of warnings creating an overwhelming array of noise and flashing lights.
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chitoryu12 posted:Your workplace would benefit well from the studies on planes, nuclear power plants, etc. that talk about minimizing the number of warning signs that are given. There's a serious concern in high-risk fields about the tendency to put a light, alarm, or other warning for everything that could possibly need an alert because of the possibility of a cascading series of warnings creating an overwhelming array of noise and flashing lights. It’s not just an overwhelming amount of noise that is an issue. When everything has an alarm, it will just turn into background noise when they are going off constantly. I work in a control room environment, and the amount of alarms we get (not audible, just computer visual alarms) seems to be increasing daily. There are a lot of useless alarms that come in that can mask an important alarm, or at least delay recognition of it.
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Nocheez posted:I was in a hotel room, passed out from a long night of partying when the fire alarm was pulled by some douchebag for no reason. I remember trying to figure out what to do, and just pacing around the room and half-doing things (putting on clothes, grabbing my wallet, etc.) but never really completing any action. I finally grabbed a pillow and held it over the strobe/horn and was able to gather my thoughts and get out. Are you Alan Davies? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoG9RzGMPqs&t=165s
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Cojawfee posted:Does the power company just never inspect its lines to see if trees are growing into them?
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Cojawfee posted:I still don't get how that tree got so bad. Does the power company just never inspect its lines to see if trees are growing into them? if so, do they just not bother trimming? Also, how did it take that long for the power lines to finally start a fire like that? Trees don't just grow overnight. I'm confused, where does the shareholder value come in
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Baronjutter posted:I believe during Afganistan russian tanks had to switch the chemical they used for coolant or add something nasty to it because the tank crews were drinking it all to get extremely hosed up and then their tanks would over-heat. Drinking torpedo fuel was a thing also, back in the day.
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There was some new construction completed near my house a year or two ago along my route to the train station where they planted trees directly under the power lines. Like not even an inch to the side, right smack dab under the hanging lines. Every time I walk by I think "you imbeciles; you absolute morons"
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chitoryu12 posted:Your workplace would benefit well from the studies on planes, nuclear power plants, etc. that talk about minimizing the number of warning signs that are given. There's a serious concern in high-risk fields about the tendency to put a light, alarm, or other warning for everything that could possibly need an alert because of the possibility of a cascading series of warnings creating an overwhelming array of noise and flashing lights. Well, you say that, but if the place burns down with everyone inside it'll be blessed release. So it's more or less working as it should. We work in customer service, you see.
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PurpleXVI posted:Last time we had a fire alarm at work, we mostly just spent our time wondering what the gently caress it was(our building has like five different alarms for theft, doors being opened that should be left closed, etc. and half the time they go off it's because of a fault or just because someone who was MEANT to open the door didn't bother/remember disabling the alarm first. To make it doubly confusing, the fire-alarm is preceded by a coded message for the employees so they can prepare to usher out the customers which is very similar to ANOTHER coded message we get over the PA system every couple of days, and thus everyone thought it was just someone mangling that code). Then when someone actually hauled rear end down the building telling us it was a fire alarm, everyone calmly picked up their stuff and went out the main doors rather than using any of the intended emergency exits or leaving their stuff where it was. We actually HAD a real fire at work once (welders outside accidentally set a fire while working on piping) and the alarm went off, we all got up and started collecting our stuff and shuffling to the door when a guy bust in and yelled "GUYS, THE BUILDING IS REALLY ON FIRE!!!!" cue PANDEMONIUM. Everyone dropped their stuff and booked it to any available exit. Rally point? Forgotten. Fire exits? Ignored.
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beep-beep car is go posted:We actually HAD a real fire at work once (welders outside accidentally set a fire while working on piping) and the alarm went off, we all got up and started collecting our stuff and shuffling to the door when a guy bust in and yelled "GUYS, THE BUILDING IS REALLY ON FIRE!!!!" cue PANDEMONIUM. Everyone dropped their stuff and booked it to any available exit. Rally point? Forgotten. Fire exits? Ignored. I'm imagining people throwing chairs through windows and then jumping out.
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Cojawfee posted:I'm imagining people throwing chairs through windows and then jumping out. Pretty close. If the building wasn't half empty and the exits were crowded, people would have absolutely been in a mindset to start tossing chairs or vaulting, Costanza-style over the slower people.
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*shoves down Gloria, who is back at work for the first time since her hip replacement* MOVE OVER! SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST, BITCH!
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