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It's crazy to think how much poo poo has devolved. Or maybe that we were all just wrong at the time about the number of people who took this stuff seriously and how pervasive it would become? I guess the rise of the internet played a big part in all of that. When I was a kid/younger, this stuff was all just a sideshow. Alex Jones, for the longest time in my own mind, was just a fringe curiosity that I assumed most people would tune into to laugh at. Or that it was, as you said, all just scripted nonsense for shock value. My first wake-up call was when I was out for drinks with an old high school buddy and he mentioned Alex Jones for whatever reason. When it became apparent that he took him seriously, I spent a good half hour trying to explain to him that it was all bullshit, to no avail. I couldn't wrap my own head around the idea that someone could actually take that poo poo seriously, but I think my biggest "oh poo poo" moment was when I first heard Michael Savage after a couple of former co-workers mentioned that they were listeners and I was curious to see how they thought. I thought it would just be some bog standard "mah taxes!" conservative bullshit and not out-right screaming Naziism. Fast forward to today and we've got an administration that's part and parcel to this form of media. Dire times we live in.  Cactus Jack posted:Fun fact: Rebecca De Mornay is his daughter. I actually had no idea. I guess I can see some resemblance now that you mention it.
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tek79 posted:It's crazy to think how much poo poo has devolved. Or maybe that we were all just wrong at the time about the number of people who took this stuff seriously and how pervasive it would become? [...] What I came around to is strongly suspecting that 'authoritarian' is a naturally occurring personality type which explains much of humanity's irremovable proclivity for violence/dominance, and which implies that cultures of casual brutality are always possible. There is always enough of it kicking around in any population to predominate if given the opportunity. Societies like the pre-Civil Rights era South or Nazi Germany are, quite unfortunately, within the 'normal' range of how we self-organize. If we don't actively (and adequately) guard against this sort of thing, it can always snowball.
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Accretionist posted:What I came around to is strongly suspecting that 'authoritarian' is a naturally occurring personality type which explains much of humanity's irremovable proclivity for violence/dominance, and which implies that cultures of casual brutality are always possible. There is always enough of it kicking around in any population to predominate if given the opportunity. Highly recommend Robert Altemeyer's "The Authoritarians", summing up a lifetime of studying this personality type. Made available freely by the author. https://www.theauthoritarians.org/
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May 4, 2019 18:59
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Lightning Knight posted:In this tweet, right wing grifters tacitly admit they have no idea what grocery shopping is like for normal people Yea, I doubt Ben ever leaves his place. relies on unpaid interns that he'll totally let on camera some day to get the lunchables and apple juice he survives on. That or his dad.
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May 4, 2019 20:36
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Lemniscate Blue posted:Highly recommend Robert Altemeyer's "The Authoritarians", summing up a lifetime of studying this personality type. Made available freely by the author. Reading it now. Good start, gonna spread this around
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May 4, 2019 20:42
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Accretionist posted:What I came around to is strongly suspecting that 'authoritarian' is a naturally occurring personality type which explains much of humanity's irremovable proclivity for violence/dominance, and which implies that cultures of casual brutality are always possible. There is always enough of it kicking around in any population to predominate if given the opportunity. I'd legit argue that it's snowballing like a motherfucker right now. "Booming Economy" and all. Hope I am wrong.
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May 5, 2019 02:30
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May 5, 2019 03:58
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An Apple A Gay posted:that wasn't alex jones prolly coast 2 coast am with george noory or if it was awhile ago art bell Coast is a strange program. It can be entertaining if Noory sticks to poo poo like the secret war between the Bigfoots (Bigfeet?) and the Dogmen or other wacky alien things, but he's been drifting more and more into lovely far-right political conspiracies. It's been awhile since I listened but I wouldn't be surprised if he was all in on QAnon.
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May 5, 2019 14:35
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An Apple A Gay posted:that wasn't alex jones prolly coast 2 coast am with george noory or if it was awhile ago art bell He's been a guest on the show multiple times. As much as I'd like to draw a line between the benign crackpottery of UFOs and bigfoot and the toxic insanity of qanon, pizzagate, and sandy hook truthers, I think there's some significant overlap.
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May 5, 2019 15:44
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Art whipped rear end because he didn't believe 90% of the poo poo on the show but could string people along as they said insane things, also he'd hang up on 9/12 truthers One of the weirdest moments I've had was listening back to his 9/12/01 episode and he's just taking calls, and the third guy to call on is like art, I wanna talk about something the news media hasn't touched on. And in my brain, in my heart, I go oh Jesus here comes a truther "Art, how much do you know about Confucius"
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May 5, 2019 16:37
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Leofish posted:Coast is a strange program. It can be entertaining if Noory sticks to poo poo like the secret war between the Bigfoots (Bigfeet?) and the Dogmen or other wacky alien things, but he's been drifting more and more into lovely far-right political conspiracies. It's been awhile since I listened but I wouldn't be surprised if he was all in on QAnon. They've always talked about pretty much any conspiracy theory at all. Those are the big conspiracy theories that exist right now so of course they're going to talk about them. They don't even screen their phone calls; the show is deliberately "we're just going to talk about the craziest poo poo we can find and let the listener decide what's true or not."
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May 5, 2019 18:51
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Lemniscate Blue posted:Highly recommend Robert Altemeyer's "The Authoritarians", summing up a lifetime of studying this personality type. Made available freely by the author. Thanks for posting this. The book was quite clarifying. My favorite part is when he writes, "So, are these guys (social dominaters) just sociopaths? That would make sense, but I didn't actually run any tests on that one."
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Wherein Big League Politics, InfoWars, NewsWars and The Gateway Pundit try to orchestrate a made up scandal and co-opt the MeToo movement. https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/05/media/anatomy-smear-pete-buttigieg-fake-story/index.html Expect more of this.
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May 5, 2019 21:14
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BiggerBoat posted:Wherein Big League Politics, InfoWars, NewsWars and The Gateway Pundit try to orchestrate a made up scandal and co-opt the MeToo movement. This is what the Right does. It breaks all the weapons the Left tries to use and then turns around and stabs them to death with the splintered shards. See: using Barto Kavanaugh to defeat the Me Too movement and tell the world that sexual assault doesn't matter... and then turn around and try to bring down people they hate with trumped up sexual assault claims.
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quote:When Kelly arrived, he was taken to Burkman's home. In a later interview with CNN, he alleged that Wohl and Burkman wanted to take down Buttigieg, whom they viewed as President Trump's top threat in 2020. Really? I like the dude well enough, but really!?
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May 6, 2019 00:12
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Keeshhound posted:Really? I like the dude well enough, but really!? I magine that the brain trust at Wohl's HQ didn't do any more thinking than hearing that a drat HOMO just announced a run, and immediately set to work planning his downfall because obviously the democrats just love the gays so much he'll cruise to the top of the list.
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May 6, 2019 00:25
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Keeshhound posted:Really? I like the dude well enough, but really!? I can see it. Media has largely UnPersoned Bernie and all the kingmakers are lining up behind Buttigeig. MSNBC is pretty much the Buttigeig/Beto/Biden channel now. e: I'm not saying I agree with Wohl's logic, because it's obviously between Biden and Bernie, but yeah w/e
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May 6, 2019 01:02
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Pete is a third place contender in the sense that he's polling in single digits while most of his non Bernie/Biden rivals are barely cracking 1% in most polls, I'm absolutely not shocked Whol was stupid enough to do what most media idiots do and pretend that means he's equally as important to cover as Biden/Bernie
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May 6, 2019 03:23
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Leofish posted:Biden was polling as the front runner before he had even announced. Remember that Jeb! used to poll as a front runner too.
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May 6, 2019 15:19
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He's also the only name that "I don't follow politics" types will recognize.
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May 6, 2019 15:45
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Huh, so it turns out Candace Owens basically got sacked by TPUSA for her Hitler comments. That makes the interview with https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIe4Qn9fCGs Props for pulling off probably the most robotic greeting in human history.
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An Apple A Gay posted:that wasn't alex jones prolly coast 2 coast am with george noory or if it was awhile ago art bell Ground Zero with Clyde Lewis sort of straddles the line between Coast to Coast and Alex Jones type poo poo. And seems to be a nighttime show. Here in my market it's the lead-in for C2C AM; wouldn't be surprised if that's the case in many places.
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Today Ben Shaprio was salivating over the idea of bombing Palestinians. To get the audience riles up he decided to play videos, and kept asking us to watch. This was on the radio.
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HootTheOwl posted:Today Ben Shaprio was salivating over the idea of bombing Palestinians. To get the audience riles up he decided to play videos, and kept asking us to watch. It’s hard for me to believe that this little turd just recently got that radio gig. I’m just happy there’s no billboards for it by me, because I saw some and it was rage inducing that this radically racist and misogynist dirt bag is still expanding his audience. It’s amazing how shallow the talent pool is for conservative commentators, though. There’s almost no young blood, and the few they do have like Shapiro and Kirk would probably collapse within weeks of losing their shady billionaire funding.
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RasperFat posted:It’s hard for me to believe that this little turd just recently got that radio gig. I’m just happy there’s no billboards for it by me, because I saw some and it was rage inducing that this radically racist and misogynist dirt bag is still expanding his audience. See also: Stephens, Brett
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Watching right wingers co-opt the term "fake news" burns my rear end more than it should since FOX News, Drudge, Breitbart and am radio basically invented it. They co-opt and gently caress up everything in spite of how stupid it all is. Remember when Obama saluted the flag wrong and war was waged against Christmas? Or when ACORN stole the election and committed Super Mega Voter Fraud? I honestly wonder if these types ever go back and re-read the things they emailed, posted on forums or social media even 4 or 5 years ago. I do it occasionally and like to think I'm self reflective enough to realize when i was dumb, paranoid or just flat out wrong. But I think these types take a more "it kept the tigers away so it WORKED" approach when all of their stupid predictions never happen.
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May 7, 2019 00:26
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BiggerBoat posted:Watching right wingers co-opt the term "fake news" burns my rear end more than it should since FOX News, Drudge, Breitbart and am radio basically invented it. They co-opt and gently caress up everything in spite of how stupid it all is. Remember when Obama saluted the flag wrong and war was waged against Christmas? Or when ACORN stole the election and committed Super Mega Voter Fraud? "Fake News" has been a part of fascist & nationalist propaganda since before even the NSDAP, German reactionaries were using 'Lugenpresse' to describe liberal and socialist publications in 1848 or to dismiss reports of WW1 not going well for the Kaiser.
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Germany used false flags and fake news to justify invading Poland. It's firmly a tool of the right, but they're always the first to make accusations of it.
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BiggerBoat posted:Watching right wingers co-opt the term "fake news" burns my rear end more than it should since FOX News, Drudge, Breitbart and am radio basically invented it. They co-opt and gently caress up everything in spite of how stupid it all is. Remember when Obama saluted the flag wrong and war was waged against Christmas? Or when ACORN stole the election and committed Super Mega Voter Fraud? Reactionaries don't value consistency because that's not the thing they're interested in. You sometimes get some of the more bookish types trying to invent consistent rationale for things post hoc, but it's never prescriptive. It all gets thrown out as soon as it needs to be for them to fight the latest battle against change. You bring up their attacks on Obama, but that's not a new thing. After a constant drum beat of TROOPS TROOPS TROOPS the GOP had no problem being disrespectful to John Kerry, a war veteran. They just came up with new bullshit. This is most visible with the healthcare debate since the 90's. Democrats try to do something on healthcare. Conservatives oppose it with lots of policy papers and ideological rationale. Democrats implement those policies based on that rationale, and conservatives continue to oppose it for completely different reasons. It's clear there's no coherent underpinning to any of it beyond wanting to prevent any change and, "everything the opposition party does is bad." The same could also be said for gay marriage. Conservatives will talk at length about the limited role of government, and then when you say, "Hey, what's the actual legitimate government interest in the government imposing itself in this personal/religious tradition by not allowing same sex marriage?" they suddenly invent new rationale to justify their stance that the state be arbiter of who gets to be married. It's all reactionary bullshit. Any attempt to secure new gains will be met with staunch opposition by entrenched interests who perceive these gains to come at their expense. Even if the gains don't come at any expense, it's always in a politician's interest to say that they do because it's a strong political motivator. ErIog fucked around with this message at 01:34 on May 7, 2019 |
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Sometimes I feel like I don’t “get” journalism. The Guardian is saying it’s done an “investigation” and that “it emerged that”... UKIP/Brexit Party leader has been on the Alex Jones show six times. Like... was that a secret? Did that take a lot of work to uncover?
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May 7, 2019 02:04
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BiggerBoat posted:Watching right wingers co-opt the term "fake news" burns my rear end more than it should since FOX News, Drudge, Breitbart and am radio basically invented it. They co-opt and gently caress up everything in spite of how stupid it all is. Remember when Obama saluted the flag wrong and war was waged against Christmas? Or when ACORN stole the election and committed Super Mega Voter Fraud? Jean-Paul Sartre posted:The anti‐Semite has chosen hate because hate is a faith; at the outset he has chosen to devaluate words and reasons. How entirely at ease he feels as a result. How futile and frivolous discussions about the rights of the Jew appear to him. He has placed himself on other ground from the beginning. If out of courtesy he consents for a moment to defend his point of view, he lends himself but does not give himself. He tries simply to project his intuitive certainty onto the plane of discourse. I mentioned awhile back some remarks by anti‐Semites, all of them absurd: "I hate Jews because they make servants insubordinate, because a Jewish furrier robbed me, etc." Never believe that anti‐ Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti‐Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past. It is not that they are afraid of being convinced. They fear only to appear ridiculous or to prejudice by their embarrassment their hope of winning over some third person to their side.
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Lemniscate Blue posted:Highly recommend Robert Altemeyer's "The Authoritarians", summing up a lifetime of studying this personality type. Made available freely by the author. Altemeyer is extremely lacking pseudoscience. It's dishonest garbage. He invented a Right Wing Authoritarian Scale that doesn't actually purport to measure being "right-wing" in the sense you're thinking Altemeyer posted:Do I really think, in defining RWA as I do, that I'm not using "right-wing" in a political sense? Yes, I think that I'm not. I've always defined it as submission to the established authorities, not to (say) right-wing authorities He then fucks up* his concept of merely "measuring submission to established authority" by failing to have a rigorous and clear definition of what exactly is an "established authority" and through shockingly poor and biased study design. All his questions are about probing attitudes toward right wing varieties of authority. When asked why he didn't include any popular left-wing sources of authority in his test, such as unions, his obviously shoddy reasoning is evident Altemeyer posted:I see unions as legal entities, and having a right to call strikes in various situations when approved by their memberships. I don't think of them as being established authorities however, as I have conceptualized the phrase. Unions do not, for example, have a legal right to keep their members from going to work, nor to keep nonmembers from doing so either. (They instead use social pressure, and other tactics instead.) I don't think they have a moral right to stop people from going to work either. So I don't see unions as being established authorities the way other institutions are. I doubt, especially today with declining union memberships, that many people do, and I am talking about those who are considered to have general legal or moral authority. -Legal Entity -Don't Have the Legal Right To Compel Behavior From Either Members or Nonmembers -Mainly Use Social Pressure -Declining Membership Contrary to what he claims, his work amounts to measuring general religiosity and lower "C" conservatism in a narrow segment of the population. Shockingly, the people who answered his studies saying that tradition and religion are good and should be respected tend to be religious and conservative. Also shockingly, since he based all his studies on the responses of white western college students they suffer from WEIRD and don't appear to have much validity outside of campus. Among black voters, RWA correlates with voting left(Dusso, Aaron. (2016). Race and Right-Wing Authoritarianism: How Scoring High in Authoritarianism Does Not Necessarily Lead to Support for Right-Wing Candidates: Race and Right-Wing Authoritarianism. Social Science Quarterly. 98). When someone tried to apply it in South Africa they found it barely correlated with anything (Gray, D., & Durrheim, K. (2006). The Validity and Reliability of Measures of Right-Wing Authoritarianism in South Africa. South African Journal of Psychology, 36(3), 500–520.). There's no evidence that his work predicts or measures any kind of general authoritarian personality trait. If you mad-lib his RWA diagnostic test and take questions like these from the original: quote:This country would work a lot better if certain groups of troublemakers would just shut up and accept their group’s traditional place in society. quote:Our country will be great if we honor the ways of our forefathers, do what the authorities tell us to do, and get rid of the “rotten apples” who are ruining everything. quote:Our country will be great if we honor the ways of progressive thinking, do what the best liberal authorities tell us to do, and get rid of the religious and conservative “rotten apples” who are ruining everything. quote:This country would work a lot better if certain groups of Christian troublemakers would just shut up and accept their group’s proper place in society *not really a gently caress up imo. altemeyer is being disingenuous and using a motte-and-bailey set of definitions
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Aesop Poprock posted:Joe Rogan said he’s voting for Tulsi Gabbard Joe doing a good job choosing the absolute worst candidate on any side currently announced to be running.
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SickZip posted:Sickzip being sickzip. K.
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@AOCpress posted:If socialism doesn’t work then explain to me how Bernie Sanders has become a millionaire being a socialist Breitbart reports that Twitter suspended the AOCpress parody account, apparently for confusing readers with tweets too similar to AOC's actual account. I have been reading about censorship on RWM lately. Proposed countermeasures include antitrust action, stripping of section 302 immunity, and FCC intervention. For now, high profile conservatives make vague threats and scream in all caps every time anyone conservative is banned from social media for any reason. Rudy Giuliani posted:'AOC Press' Parody Killed in Latest Big Tech Election Interference. WHAT IS HAPPENING TO FREE SPEECH? THIS IS CENSORSHIP!
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Feinne posted:Joe doing a good job choosing the absolute worst candidate on any side currently announced to be running. Buddy there is much worse than her. You should be thankful such an influential figure like Rogan has not been convinced by his new mainstream fascist friends he brings on all the time like Ben Shapiro into supporting Trump, or any republican at all. mountaincat posted:Breitbart reports that Twitter suspended the AOCpress parody account, apparently for confusing readers with tweets too similar to AOC's actual account. I have been reading about censorship on RWM lately. Proposed countermeasures include antitrust action, stripping of section 302 immunity, and FCC intervention. For now, high profile conservatives make vague threats and scream in all caps every time anyone conservative is banned from social media for any reason. Imagine having the FCC tell you that Breitbart and Infowars are NOT fake news.
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