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OddObserver posted:At least per this summary article: Huh, that summary is different from other summaries I've seen. In some the 90% Ukrainian language quota for TV programming is said not to be present in the final version, for example. Hope they publish the actual law soon. As for indigenous people, the law about it was never passed, so while commonly only Crimean Tatars (and adjacent Crimean ethnic groups) are considered to be indigenous people, and others are just ethnic minorities, it is still very much moot. Proponents of this language law actually promised another law specifically about minority languages later, but I don't think there is even a draft of that yet.
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Paladinus posted:Huh, that summary is different from other summaries I've seen. In some the 90% Ukrainian language quota for TV programming is said not to be present in the final version, for example. Hope they publish the actual law soon. Wait how do you even use a term like "indigenous" in countries where there are no colonial settler populations. How does that work. Isn't everyone indigenous?
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Grape posted:Wait how do you even use a term like "indigenous" in countries where there are no colonial settler populations. How does that work. No...? 
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Grape posted:Wait how do you even use a term like "indigenous" in countries where there are no colonial settler populations. How does that work. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_Tatars
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Grape posted:Wait how do you even use a term like "indigenous" in countries where there are no colonial settler populations. How does that work. Hard to think of any countries where this isn't the case to some extent.
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Baronjutter posted:Hard to think of any countries where this isn't the case to some extent. Rarely in that particular way of the New World or Down Under. And I suppose Siberia fits the bill a bit. Also I'm pretty sure Slavic folks were in the area before Turkic folks, or at least Kipchak speaking groups like the Crimean Tatars. Both having been there for a long time either way. Like how does one qualify as indigenous and not the other. Grape fucked around with this message at 07:32 on Apr 27, 2019 |
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Grape posted:Also I'm pretty sure Slavic folks were in the area before Turkic folks, or at least Kipchak speaking groups like the Crimean Tatars. Both having been there for a long time either way. That's not how that works. The definition is based on who and what relations that meaningfully exists today. Specifically, the ones which need protecting for one reason or another.
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MiddleOne posted:That's not how that works. The definition is based on who and what relations that meaningfully exists today. Specifically, the ones which need protecting for one reason or another. That's not what the word means, so it's just a strange use of it is all. Like Europe looked at the use in America and went "oh it means marginalized minority group". But if that's how it's come to be seen there then that's the way of words I suppose.
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Grape posted:That's not what the word means, so it's just a strange use of it is all. Uhm, Crimean Tatars were literally forced out of their homes multiple times, and had Russians settled in them. (Same happened to some extent in Baltic states as well). The Russian Empire was very much built on ethnic cleansing and settler colonialism.
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OddObserver posted:Uhm, Crimean Tatars were literally forced out of their homes multiple times, and had Russians settled in them. (Same happened to some extent in Baltic states as well). The Russian Empire was very much built on ethnic cleansing and settler colonialism. You can have two indigenous peoples doing these kinds of things to each-other. Like when we had Bosnian Serb paramilitaries doing it to Bosniaks it was still two indigenous pops. Though in the context of Ukraine ethnic Russians do have an element of settler history to them, I'll give you that. Just in curiosity, would you consider Irish Catholics in NI an indigenous population compared to the Protestants there? Greek Cypriots compared to Turkish Cypriots? Genuinely asking.
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Grape posted:Just in curiosity, would you consider Irish Catholics in NI an indigenous population compared to the Protestants there? Absolutely, the Protestants are largely the descendants of Scots who were settled there as part of Britain's "divide to rule" schemes. Anyway in Eastern European news, a Russian missile factory is burning. https://www.unian.info/world/10532571-massive-fire-raging-at-ballistic-missile-plant-in-russia-video.html
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Hot take of my Russian aunt, who lived nowhere close to where any Tartar ever has been, on them: "Be careful, they are dirty and they cheat"
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caps on caps on caps posted:Hot take of my Russian aunt, who lived nowhere close to where any Tartar ever has been, on them: Travel through different countries: the minorities change, the stereotypes about them stay the same.
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Cat Mattress posted:Absolutely, the Protestants are largely the descendants of Scots who were settled there as part of Britain's "divide to rule" schemes.  is that still burning?
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That’s a “white power” sign??? I though it’s “OK”.
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Somebody on 4chan said that it was to troll the libs, and because there is no good in the world, every single braindead, terminally online moron took the bait and will now yell at you for denying that the ok gesture ever wasn't a symbol of white supremacy. See also: Drinking milk 
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Wait, is it serious? I never knew it could be anything other than "OK" gesture. How do I even search for more info?
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There's entire derails about that in the al-right thread.
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steinrokkan posted:Somebody on 4chan said that it was to troll the libs, and because there is no good in the world, every single braindead, terminally online moron took the bait and will now yell at you for denying that the ok gesture ever wasn't a symbol of white supremacy. Average American throws an okay gesture in response to a question about how things are going? Probably not a Nazi. Eastern European politician with limited scope into new interpretations of old gestures throws an okay sign in response to a success? Probably not a Nazi. Pack of overweight slobs in bad camo and Trump hats pose holding their AR15s and flashing the okay symbol? Probably Nazis. It wasn't leftists "taking the bait", it's actually been adopted by the radical right in America.
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Cugel the Clever posted:It wasn't leftists "taking the bait", it's actually been adopted by the radical right in America. it has done the same in Europe just like Pepe memes because radical nationalists don't care about original national cultural content anymore
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I knew those deaf kids at my school were nazis. (that's also the sign for wristwatch if you do it on your arm).
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alex314 posted:That’s a “white power” sign??? The MAGA chuds took it over. I've seen pictures of cops in the US flashing it.  Those chuds were suspended. https://twitter.com/MoscowTimes/status/1122897077850333185
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:The MAGA chuds took it over. I've seen pictures of cops in the US flashing it. In my childhood, that was called the rear end in a top hat Game, and if you got someone to look at the "rear end in a top hat" you were making with your thumb and forefinger, you got to punch the person who looked. I think we need to reverse that.
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That "ok-sign" thing was started by one of their nazi neckbeard members who got into the parliament with 200 votes because another party member who got 1200 was below him on their intra-party list. So obviously the party leaders backed their man by also using that gesture. Then one of their ministers (of foreign trade and IT) resigned after one day in office because allegations of domestic violence came up. After which both those party leaders (now minister of finance + minister of interior) and that minister himself called his wife all together to ask if the allegations were true. She denied everything. I guess everything must be alright then.  She surely would have told the minister of interior if anything was wrong. He got 31,000€ (6 months pay) in compensation for that one day. edit: that minister-for-one-day also got busted for driving drunk one day after the elections. jonnypeh fucked around with this message at 10:34 on May 1, 2019 |
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Dozens Of People Detained As Russia Marks May Day https://www.rferl.org/a/dozens-of-people-detained-as-russia-marks-may-day/29914668.html Funny how some Russians make fun of the discussion in Ukraine about May Day and it possibly not being a national holiday anymore...
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I thought I couldn't think less of my countrymen, but this person is slated to win elections quite handily: https://twitter.com/AndrejBabis/status/1123859669624152066
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Xarn posted:I thought I couldn't think less of my countrymen, but this person is slated to win elections quite handily: It's less about the stupid ideas and more about the fact we're constantly massaged by images of him taking credit for the popular measures and blaming others for the unpopular ones. anilEhilated fucked around with this message at 21:37 on May 2, 2019 |
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https://twitter.com/advertisedtwit/status/1125412420137123845 help im polan
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Woman arrested in Poland over posters of Virgin Mary with rainbow halo Thank you Polish police for getting this dangerous criminal off the streets, I feel safer already
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szary posted:Woman arrested in Poland over posters of Virgin Mary with rainbow halo Again, Poland desperately wanting to become Russia. Duda and Putin just kiss already.
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Baronjutter posted:Again, Poland desperately wanting to become Russia. Duda and Putin just kiss already. What's the Polish for Vyshevatnik?
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What's that anime word for the behavior where someone is deeply in love or obsessed with someone but pretends to hate them and will always talk poo poo about them? That's Poland's relationship with Russia.
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Baronjutter posted:What's that anime word for the behavior where someone is deeply in love or obsessed with someone but pretends to hate them and will always talk poo poo about them? That's Poland's relationship with Russia. Tsundere. You'd think Poland would have somewhat less rosy memories of Russia... multiple attempts at partition and all that.
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Did we somehow miss the other art related Polish scandal, where a series of photographs from the 70's of a woman eating a banana was (temporarily) removed from the National Museum in Warsaw for promoting gender ideology? That happened. And another video installation was removed - this on I think permanently. It was a recording of a live TV performance art done over 10 years ago on public funded TVP Kultura (think Arte), where two women were taking calls from the viewers who would tell them to do basically whatever the caller wanted. As you can imagine not a long time passed when some guys told them to undress and began admiring their "titties" etc. The women were visibly distraught too, while following the commands. We can't have that!  youtube.com/watch?v=ZV9CC4Dwc3I
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Baronjutter posted:What's that anime word for the behavior where someone is deeply in love or obsessed with someone but pretends to hate them and will always talk poo poo about them? That's Poland's relationship with Russia. Pembroke Fuse posted:Tsundere. what does this have to do with russia? regressive states don't automatically love each other.
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Rinkles posted:what does this have to do with russia? regressive states don't automatically love each other. This was in response to the idea that Poland's current president is tsundere for Russia. I was under the impression that Polish nationalists generally had to balance their historical hatreds between Germany and Russia. I could be wrong, of course, but hasn't the Polish far right basically adopted the Tu-154 accident as their version of 9/11 trutherism?
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More like their Benghazi. There is a strand of assassination conspiracy theories out there, but the mainstream right is careful to only stoke it with plausible deniability. The play they commit to openly is "just" accusing the opposition of criminal negligence.
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Lithuanian presidential elections are coming up. The only non-goon Lithuanian I know says he's voting for Ingrida Šimonytė because he can't vote for Dalia Grybauskaitė again. Is this the case with most Lithuanians? Who is the favorite to win? Is there a favorite?
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