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Sockser posted:Pack weight in: 45lbs I guess the main thing, as you seem to be aware, is just that you're carrying waaaay too much weight in consumables. For a base weight of 26 lbs, to carry !!! 19 lbs !!! of food/fuel/water/whatever for a weekend trip is completely bonkers. As a general rule, you shouldn't need more than 2lbs food/day and shouldn't need to carry more than 2-5 lbs of water at any given time (I'm assuming you aren't in the desert cause you have a saw...). So that's like 6-7+ lbs you can save right off the bat. For your equipment, obviously it just boils down to buying lighter stuff, which is either worth it or not to you personally. But, even using relatively cheap (but light) stuff, you can easily save: -40 oz on your tent (any backpacking tent < 4lbs) -20 oz on your bag (~600FP down bag, can find used in good condition for pretty cheap) -20 oz on water containers (!!!, seriously smart water bottles or similar are like 1.4 oz per liter) -10 oz on your pot+stove So that brings your base weight down to ~20 lbs. Apart from that, your first aid kit can probably be a lot lighter than 13 oz. Pack cover can be replaced with a trash compactor bag. Can use your phone for GPS. Do you really care about that slingshot? Any "rope" that only weighs 3.5 oz is just utility cord anyway and you can get 50ft of dyneema cord for like half an oz. Emergency blanket does nothing your sleeping bag doesn't do 8000 times better. All in all can save at least another pound or so by cutting those various knick knacks.
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Morbus posted:I guess the main thing, as you seem to be aware, is just that you're carrying waaaay too much weight in consumables. For a base weight of 26 lbs, to carry !!! 19 lbs !!! of food/fuel/water/whatever for a weekend trip is completely bonkers. As a general rule, you shouldn't need more than 2lbs food/day and shouldn't need to carry more than 2-5 lbs of water at any given time (I'm assuming you aren't in the desert cause you have a saw...). So that's like 6-7+ lbs you can save right off the bat. Some good poo poo in here, though I'm going to disregard most of it either because I'm an rear end in a top hat or I just upgraded to that gear. That 19 pounds also includes extra clothes- just a tshirt and some extra socks/boxers and also my dumb fleece. I need a good fleece. re- water - I tend to drink a lot while I'm hiking. On a 14 mile hike with 2 nights of camping, I cleared just shy of 8 liters (though I woke up with a migraine and pounded like 750ml in the middle of the night so maybe 7 would be more reasonable) my sleeping bag - is something I'm definitely looking to replace. I've got a lovely 40 degree bag for when its warmer out that's nice and light, but got this 20 fairly recently and it's way too tight of a mummy so I end up getting bound up in it in the middle of the night (side sleeper who ends up switching sides every hour or so) Combine that with the weight and it's just not working out. If anyone has suggestions I'm all ears medkit- is really just a bag of loads of poo poo. There's a couple of bic lighters in there, some fire starters, backup batteries for my headlamp, toothbrush/toothpaste, basically everything I have that's tiny and doesn't go with something else emergency blanket - less for me and more for one of my dumb friends if they gently caress up slingshot - yeah I don't normally bring that, was more of a "ha ha gently caress it whatever something to do at camp" thing that I probably wouldn't do again (though it's for sure coming canoeing when weight isn't really an issue) rope - 50 feet of paracord, can I really get that much lighter? It might also be weighing in heavy as a result of being out in the rain all weekend This was my first time with camp shoes and while they were nice, especially with the terrain our camp was set up on, they're pretty easily ditchable I think my pack weight is pretty on par with the rest of my crew, just that I overpack on food. E: what are these smart water bottles you’re talking about? Googling smart water bottle just results in loads of bad kickstarters Sockser fucked around with this message at 14:32 on May 6, 2019 |
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Microcord has a 90-100lb static weight rating. If you're not using more than that, a spool of microcord is what I'd replace the paracord with. And they come in spools with built-in cutters, too. edit: It comes to mind that the cord might be for bear bags. In which case, maybe not the microcord, since that can harm trees by biting into them. I still don't have a good alternative for bear bag rope than good-old-reliable paracord, unless you get into like, the specialist stuff. SwissArmyDruid fucked around with this message at 14:34 on May 6, 2019 |
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SwissArmyDruid posted:Microcord has a 90-100lb static weight rating. If you're not using more than that, a spool of microcord is what I'd replace the paracord with. Sometimes it’s bear bags, sometimes it’s tarps, sometimes it’s lashing down canoes— I could switch my pack to microcord and lean on somebody else for bear bag rope
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Sockser posted:Some good poo poo in here, though I'm going to disregard most of it either because I'm an rear end in a top hat or I just upgraded to that gear. smartwater is just bottled water that you can find easily everywhere (in the US) and which has a conveniently slim bottle that holds 1l and is reasonably durable. I think the defacto standard lightweight bottle before smartwater was Gatorade or something. 8l of water for 3 days doesn't sound totally unreasonable but you might be able to stretch it out a bit by drinking at a steadier slower pace while walking. Have a sip like every 15 minutes or so and don't wait until you're thirsty. When you stop at a water source you can drink more before moving on. For budgeting food count your calories. You can use an online calculator for figuring out your rough caloric needs for a day or just start with the happy average of 2500kcal and adjust based on future trips. Some people carry a lot of extra food for emergencies but I usually just pack one extra meal's worth of calories for longer trips. If it seems like you'll take more time than scheduled you can always ration and it'll be just fine. Even in a sudden emergency you can still be pretty much fully operational for 1-2 days without food if you stay hydrated. It won't be fun but we're talking actual serious emergencies here. Ditch the blanket. If some of your dumbass friends loses their bag and/or shelter, make them sleep together for warmth or take shifts at keeping warm by a campfire and napping in shelter. It'll suck but I'd wager less so than sleeping with an emergency blanket. One thing in general is to think about multiple uses for your equipment which can spare a bit of extra weight. I don't carry spare rope anymore since the only use I had for it was for drying clothes or for potential repairs. If that happens I can just repurpose one of the guylines of my tent which are not structurally necessary. If I need a firestarter I can use a clif bar wrapper or squirt some of my hand sanitizer on some toilet paper. The weight savings for fire starters or like 2m of rope are admittedly not huge but it adds up and I find that carrying less things makes it much easier to stay organized and find what you need without turning your bag upside down.
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j.peeba posted:smartwater is just bottled water that you can find easily everywhere (in the US) and which has a conveniently slim bottle that holds 1l and is reasonably durable.  Will be bringing these instead of nalgenes next trip. Nalgenes have historically been choice since my water filter (katadyn vario) screws right onto a nalgene, but I just bought a BeFree so that advantage is already gone anyway quote:8l of water for 3 days doesn't sound totally unreasonable but you might be able to stretch it out a bit by drinking at a steadier slower pace while walking. Have a sip like every 15 minutes or so and don't wait until you're thirsty. When you stop at a water source you can drink more before moving on. Yeah the recent addition of the hydration pack has been a boon in getting me to drink more regularly, but when there’s only like 2 stream crossings across the 14 mile trek, carrying four liters ended up being pretty much correct. Ran out of water about a quarter mile before the good fillup spot and then had maybe 100ml left when we got back to the car. My mates were all only needed 2 liters to get by so I guess a 4 liter man is just who I be. Also of note this trip is that I actually figured out how to correctly adjust my backpack. I’ve got stupid high hips and I had to shorten the back on my pack way more than should seem appropriate for someone who’s 6’2” but for the first time in 5 years my pack actually really actually for real sat on my hips and it only looked very very stupid Sockser fucked around with this message at 16:15 on May 6, 2019 |
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I’m not an ultralight backpacker by any means but the saw would be first to go even before the slingshot. Bust up fuel wood against rocks or trees like a true caveman or just walk the extra 50 feet to find something more suitable.
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SwissArmyDruid posted:edit: It comes to mind that the cord might be for bear bags. In which case, maybe not the microcord, since that can harm trees by biting into them. I still don't have a good alternative for bear bag rope than good-old-reliable paracord, unless you get into like, the specialist stuff. CopperHound fucked around with this message at 16:55 on May 6, 2019 |
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Sockser posted:Pack weight in: 45lbs Thats pretty close to some of my early 5-7 day trips. I was usually around 30 lbs pre food/water and often 40ish lbs on the trail. Not a big deal, it got me to where I was going and it was in the early days of my backpacking. I had a huge bag then (70 liter) and have since gone smaller, upgraded some of my gear, and learned to bring less. It does make a huge difference when you're carrying 10-15lbs less each trip. You can go longer, faster and do so more comfortably with just a few tweaks and not committing to the ultralight mentality. Everything weighs something and it all adds up so just keep that in mind with little things. Gadgets like battery banks, go-pros, camera gear, a book, etc can really start to weigh you down. At one point I was carrying 10+lbs of camera gear and have since opted for a point and shoot instead. Bringing smaller travel versions of things like deoderant/soaps/etc help. Repackage food into less bulky packaging like baggies. Looking at your list, I'll add to whats already been said. 1 - (-1lb) For your food, coming back with some is ideal. You should always carry some extra food in case of an emergency etc. It doesn't have to be a lot, just another meal or two at the most. Coming back with several pounds of food for one person seems high but thats what happens when you're getting dialed in. You tend to overdo everything at first and then whittle down as time goes on. It takes experience to know how much food you will need but I would always rather have too much than not enough. Just find the balance. As for the weight, repackage your foods in smaller ziplock bags, choose items without much water weight. You dont need a full jar of peanut butter. Maybe you dont need a full brick of cheddar cheese ... I do. Maybe you dont need the full bag of jerky ... I do. A little of prep before you leave can save a bunch of weight. I try to eat all the "fresh" stuff first because it usually carries the most water weight and goes bad first. Fruit, breads, cheese etc, pizza. If I bring a dehydrated meal anymore, its usually just in case and almost always comes back. 2- (-1lb) Ditch the nalgenes and flask. If you want booze, don't bring it in a glass bottle or a metal flask. They're heavy and there are better options out there. Same goes for Nalgene. I use a 100oz hydration pack because its more convenient to have a tube in front of my face than fiddle with bottles while hiking. I bring one bottle (either a smartwater or gatorade bottle) for water or powdered drink mixes. You said you drank a ton of water, I was wondering if you were supplementing with drink mixes at all. At a certain point, just drinking water isn't helping and your just going to pee it out. You need to add a drink mix to replenish what you're losing in sweat. Are you peeing a lot when you drink that much water? Some people just drink more than others. I know I'm the kind of person who doesn't drink a lot. On my last hike (9 miles, 2200ft gain) I think I drank 1 liter of water, and a 12 oz gatorade. I did slam an ice cold coke and a bag of fritos at the car though. 3 - (-3lbs) Your tent and sleeping bag are a little heavy but not insane. You can easily shave 2lbs off your tent and 1 off the bag if you upgrade to something lighter later on. Also upgrading steel stakes to some aluminum MSR stakes might help bring it down too depending on what your tent came with. As for the sleeping bag, a 20 degree down bag will weigh maybe a pound less and take up less space. 4 - (~2lbs) Camp saw & slingshot. Saws and axes are sort of useless on most backpacking trips in my experience but it depends on the trip. A lot of places have a no campfire policy so that eliminates the need right away. Other places might allow it but I'm rarely ever having a fire anyway since I have to use a stove to cook. Even if we do have a fire, its rarely going to be big enough that I cant feed it with something I found. Now, if you're going somewhere that might need a big burly fire for long periods of time, then maybe. If I need an axe or a saw, its usually while I'm car camping. I actually bring a slingshot most times I go car camping because it can be fun to gently caress around with. Backpacking is different. Consider bringing just the rubber part and find a stick/whittle one at camp which will give you something to do. 5 - (-1lb) Clothes - This is one area I've really paired down over time. Now I pretty much wear the same thing the whole trip with the exception of underwear and socks. I wear exofficio boxer briefs because they hold up better than wool, they breathe well and they seem to prevent stink. I only wear wool socks because they breathe well, they resist stinking, and they dry quickly. I wash my feet and socks every night because clean dry feet are happy feet. A pair of lightweight long underwear do a lot to keep you warm. I bring one pair of pants. One pair of lightweight shorts if its hot. One tee shirt. Sometimes one long sleeve. Fleece/down puffy/rain jacket all dependent on season/conditions, usually a combo of two but rarely ever all three unless it gets down to freezing/snow. 6 - For camp shoes, I switched to crocs because they're lightweight, they dont get dirty/wet, and they're easy to put on in the middle of the night. I like having something else to wear other than the shoes I've been in all day when I'm hanging out at camp. They also work well for creek crossings if needed. I've stubbed my bare toes on rocks so many times that I wont cross rocky rivers barefoot anymore. You could also do some cheap water shoes or a sandal, I just dont like flip flops for camp shoes because they suck on uneven ground or rocks and with socks. With crocs, I just clip them to the outside of my bag. 7 - First aid kit - I've carried the same first aid kit for the better part of 10 years which is the size of a small sandwich ziplock bag. The thing I've used the most ... ibuprofen and pepto bismo tablets. It has bandaids in various sizes/materials, water purification tablets, a small roll of gauze, some tape, needle and thread, extra headlamp batteries, bic lighter, benadryl, aspirin, emergency blanket, tylenol, triple antibiotic, and blister specifc waterproof bandaids. The things I can't fix with my first aid kit are those that you'll need help anyway like broken bones. I do however have a really small first aid book in there that packs a ton of info into a very small amount. Its probably the size of a post-it note and maybe 20 pages but covers everything from signs of heat stroke to what to do in snake bites, broken bones, hypothermia, cuts, concussion, CPR etc. That saves you 8lbs without too much investment. I suggest doing more trips with your current gear though. In time, you will see what you dont use and can live without.
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^^All solid advice! Camp shoes are awesome to let your feet dry out, gotta take care of those. Only time I bring a saw anymore is winter, and it’s crazy how much weight you save on water bottles with smart water and other stuff. I also carry 2-3 sawyer bags to mule water in case it’s a long dry stretch, or water is a long way from camp. They weigh nothing and pack very well. And kudos on the Befree! That’s my new favorite filter.MA-Horus posted:If you have the forethought to premake/wrap some stuff, I have two prime first night meals I’ve always done pepperoni and cheese on bagels but this sounds amazing! Gonna give this a shot next time I’m out—thanks for the great ideas! 45 ACP CURES NAZIS posted:does anyone have a suggestion for a hat for hiking/travelling to somewhere sunny Seconding Tilley hats — they are a godsend. I wore my hemp Tilley for a week in the grand canyon and it worked perfectly. I always use it for kayaking, and hiking out in high heat high humidity appalachia weather, and it’s never failed to perform or keep shape. Worth the moneys! n8r posted:The correct answer is a straw hat.
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This may be more appropriate for PI, but does anyone have a dog pack they’d recommend, particularly for a medium sized dog? My guy is about 50 pounds, and as much of an amazing trail companion as he is, I’d really like it if he’d carry his own drat gear.
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I see Ruffwear recommended a lot when packs for dogs are talked about. Seem to be very well received from what I read.
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Their palisades pack is well reviewed. We have the harness it's built upon, and it's a great piece of kit.
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 e: More doggo pics from that trip because I miss him  https://imgur.com/a/ETh6W3D CopperHound fucked around with this message at 19:54 on May 7, 2019 |
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Thanks for the recommendations! Getting the little punk willing and used to wearing a pack will be another adventure, but one thing at a time.
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REI stopped manufacturing their own brand of pack, I actually liked theirs more than ruffwear but the ruffwear packs hold up pretty well. Waterproofing doesn't last very long though, so find a waterproof solution if you bring dry food. I usually double bag freezer ziplocs, but I was having them carry enough food for 10+ days. My dog would also pushes up against brush and trees to scratch her sides, but even then they held up into a third summer of 150 days of backpacking before the material got thin enough to replace.
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Sockser posted:... 8 liters over a 2/3 day trip is reasonable enough, but generally you don't need to carry more than 1-2 liters between water sources unless you're in the capital D Desert. Was there a water source near your camp? If you're needing a gallon of water every ~7 miles / few hours then: -There's fair to good odds you were dehydrated to begin with or at some point early in your hike. Once you're dehydrated, it can difficult to properly rehydrate while actively exercising. -You may have had / probably had an electrolyte imbalance. Verman's tip about drink mixes is a good one -A person with a 45 lb pack is going to need a lot more water per mile than the same person with e.g. a 25 lb pack. -If you're having any issues with hydration, alcohol is great at making them a lot worse.
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Question about wound care, what all do you guys bring to clean and irrigate the wound? Last weekend I lost a good chunk of skin on my foot after being ejected from the kayak on a rocky river bed. I’ve given up on alcohol wipes because they’re always loving dried out whenever I need them, so all I had in my med kit were Wysi Wipes and hand sanitizer packets. The combo seemed to work out ok, and I liquid bandaged everything shut, but I don’t think hand sanitizer packets are a great solution for sterilizing the area before bandaging and I wanted to see what you guys recommend to clean sand debris and bacteria out of open wounds.
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OSU_Matthew posted:Question about wound care, what all do you guys bring to clean and irrigate the wound? Most times, just cleaning it out with soap and treated/filtered/boiled water will be good enough. You mostly want to get any foreign matter out of the opening. Just put some triple antibiotic on it and a 3m waterproof bandaid and then take care of it when you get home. If its bad enough, cut your trip early and go get it taken care of. And yes, those alcohol pads suck butt. I didn't realize but my first aid kit was assembled about 10 years ago and there are some things in there from when I put it together which I just went through and refreshed.
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Best practice is to remove dirt and other junk then irrigate with copious amounts of the cleanest water available. If you have soap, it can be helpful to wash the skin around the wound with soap and water. In terms of preventing infection, cleaning a wound as well as possible and as soon as possible is much more important than what you use to clean it.
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Morbus posted:Best practice is to remove dirt and other junk then irrigate with copious amounts of the cleanest water available. This. It can be useful to carry a small syringe in your FAK to really blast a wound with water to clean it out.
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Morbus posted:Best practice is to remove dirt and other junk then irrigate with copious amounts of the cleanest water available. If you have soap, it can be helpful to wash the skin around the wound with soap and water. khysanth posted:This. It can be useful to carry a small syringe in your FAK to really blast a wound with water to clean it out. This is a great idea, thanks! Just bought a wound irrigation syringe and a few tinctures of benzoin to help aid bandage adhesion. Never used it before, but very interested to try it out. I also bought a small cuben fiber first aid pack with reflective tape on etsy that should shave a few ounces and be more waterproof than the pouch and pill bottles I use now.  Also seeing how cuben is starting to come down in price, I picked up a dyneema pack liner bag off zpacks. One of my buddies showed me his hyperlite pack-shaped dyneema packing cubes over the weekend so I’m interested in trying some different stuff. Also, speaking of gear bags, I had a raccoon yeet off with an improperly secured food bag over the weekend because I stupidly left an open bag of bbq potato chips in there. Nearly had a heart attack when I couldn’t find it while packing up, because my stove, pot, mug, first aid poo poo, etc was in there and the bag was an ursack minor, so probably a few hundred bucks worth of gear all told. Thankfully the ursack minor lived up to its name and I found the bag completely unscathed about forty feet away from camp, down a ravine:  Odorproof liner bags and PCT hang from here on out, no exceptions.
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Sockser posted:Pack weight in: 45lbs Another trip base weight is ~20lbs loaded up I'm at ~36lbs I'm bringing 3ish liters of water for the trek in, we don't hit water for about 8 miles, so the second day I'll only be carrying a liter or two at a time as we just hike up a creek for the remaining 14 miles, I'm satisfied with where I'm at, I think. Ask me again in two days. To be fair, a good chunk of this is not bringing under armor and my cold weather sleeping bag, but there's been a bunch of other shavings as well.
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I'm looking for a new pair of sandals. They'll be camp shoes, but also beach, around town, light trail walks, etc. (so I'll pass on Crocs, unfortunately). I've been using flip-flops, but they don't work when I have socks on and they're not really secure. Chacos are heavier than I realized. I'm not ultralight or anything, but nearly 2lb for a pair seems like a lot. I'm tempted by the Xero Z-Trail. They weigh the same or less than Crocs, and seem to tick other boxes for me. Has anyone tried them? Anything else I should be looking at instead?
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Im a big fan of my Bed Rocks. They are thong style with ankle retention. Have vibriam soles and are very light. You can also test them out at an REI as bonus. Thoes xeros look similar and much cheaper tho deong fucked around with this message at 17:12 on May 17, 2019 |
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deong posted:Im a big fan of my Bed Rocks. They are thong style with ankle retention. Have vibriam soles and are very light. You can also test them out at an REI as bonus. I liked the look of the Bed Rocks, but the thong style does work with socks (I assume). A handful of times at camp or getting up in the middle of a cold night I've wanted to keep my socks on. According to Teva's website the Originals are only 12.8oz a pair, which is surprising. I guess I'll look at those, too. Edit: to be clear, I was looking at the Teva/Chaco style Xero Z-Trails: https://www.rei.com/product/160158/xero-shoes-z-trail-sandals-mens incogneato fucked around with this message at 17:22 on May 17, 2019 |
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I've got a pair of Keen Newports that I've had for years now, and they're dope. Closed toe. I wouldn't wear open toe sandals on a trail walk as I'd be too afraid of foot stabbiness. So yeah, try a pair of them maybe...
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I had a pair of Newports for a while, they gave me horrible blisters on any walk longer than a mile. But I'm blister prone if I don't wear socks so it could just be me. Wonderful sandals otherwise though.  Well except for the part where it's impossible to get a pebble out of the toe box without taking them off.
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incogneato posted:I'm looking for a new pair of sandals. They'll be camp shoes, but also beach, around town, light trail walks, etc. (so I'll pass on Crocs, unfortunately). I've been using flip-flops, but they don't work when I have socks on and they're not really secure. I just ordered a pair of the Z-trails this weekend, should have them Wednesday. I’ll post up some pics of my gnarly-rear end feet in ‘em and see how they do. Won’t get to hike any in them anytime soon, but I’ll wear the poo poo out of them around the house and the yard. I’ve got weird, broken, misshapen fugly duck feet tho, so YMMV. Edit: BTW, if you look at them on XeroShoes’ company page, they have printable templates of the footbeds of their shoes and sandals so you can print them out and see what fits your foot best. Dr Ozziemandius fucked around with this message at 16:05 on May 20, 2019 |
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incogneato posted:I liked the look of the Bed Rocks, but the thong style does work with socks (I assume). A handful of times at camp or getting up in the middle of a cold night I've wanted to keep my socks on. I have some bedrocks and wear them with socks occasionally. It’s really not too bad, despite being not a great look. Also depends on how tight your socks are. It’s no problem in e.g. costco wool socks but I wouldn’t want to do it in tight athletic socks with any sort of compression.
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Dr Ozziemandius posted:I just ordered a pair of the Z-trails this weekend, should have them Wednesday. I’ll post up some pics of my gnarly-rear end feet in ‘em and see how they do. Won’t get to hike any in them anytime soon, but I’ll wear the poo poo out of them around the house and the yard. I’ve got weird, broken, misshapen fugly duck feet tho, so YMMV. I actually did all the same things yesterday, including printing off the templates. My local REI didn't stock them, so I used my coupon to grab a pair online.
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Sockser posted:Another trip Also, if 20 lbs is your base weight, you’ve got roughly 7.5 pounds of water, and 8 pounds is just too much for food. You can easily condense a few pounds there, especially with dehydrated food like Packit Gourmet that requires so much less water than the mountain houses of the world, and tastes a lot better with cheese that doesn’t cement onto your spork. Also, down bags are just magic for weight and space savings. Imho, 20 pound base weight is just  At that base weight, your total weight should be well under 30 pounds. An easy place to shave another 3ish pounds is replacing your pack with a cuben fiber one from Zpacks or Hyperlite or something. It’s pricey, but it’s easy and I like my Zpack Arc Haul so much better than my Osprey Volt. incogneato posted:I'm looking for a new pair of sandals. They'll be camp shoes, but also beach, around town, light trail walks, etc. (so I'll pass on Crocs, unfortunately). I've been using flip-flops, but they don't work when I have socks on and they're not really secure. Xero sandals are my go-to camp shoe, because they take up zero space, don’t weigh much, and are comfy to walk around in. That being said I actually prefer my chacos for hiking, and I’ve had to wear them for several days as an emergency replacement after my boot midsole disintegrated during the middle of a trip, and the chacos worked spectacularly. I just wish they weren’t nearly a pound apiece. A pro and the con of Xeros is that you really do feel like you’re barefoot. Every oddball rock is felt, but they’ve got great traction otherwise. Just the toebox area is not as secure as the chacos, as it tends to flip around.
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OSU_Matthew posted:I personally err on the side of extra water since you can either dump or drink it, and it goes quick. If I weren’t hitting water till the next day, I would personally bring in a gallon, so I have a liter each for breakfast and dinner, and enough for hiking. Also very much depends on temperature and difficulty of hike as well. the extra food ended up being a godsend this time around since all three of the camp stoves brought on the trip ran out of fuel on the first night, and only one pot in our pack of 6 people was suited to boiling over the fire, so there were a lot of clif bar and gorp breakfasts going around
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May 21, 2019 06:46
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Sockser posted:the extra food ended up being a godsend this time around since all three of the camp stoves brought on the trip ran out of fuel on the first night, and only one pot in our pack of 6 people was suited to boiling over the fire, so there were a lot of clif bar and gorp breakfasts going around So what you’re telling me is that you packed enough food for six people?  Glad you guys had a good time and everything worked out though! If you run into catastrophic stove problems again, remember you can always cold rehydrate food. May not taste superb, and usually takes awhile to fully rehydrate, but at least it’s better than going hungry.
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May 21, 2019 10:24
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Sockser posted:the extra food ended up being a godsend this time around since all three of the camp stoves brought on the trip ran out of fuel on the first night, and only one pot in our pack of 6 people was suited to boiling over the fire, so there were a lot of clif bar and gorp breakfasts going around That can be the crux of canister stoves (assuming thats what you used). Conditions such as cold or altitude can negatively affect the performance and run time of butane stoves. In my experience, butane stoves are great because they're dead simple, quick and easy to set up and very convenient. The problem is their cold/altitude performance and inability to accurately check their fuel level. You can float the canisters in water to see how full it is (I believe MSR marks their canisters, not sure if any others do as well). Your best bet for conserving fuel is to only boil the amount of water you need to rehydrate your food. Use a windscreen, wind can reduce your burners efficiency drastically if the flames aren't hitting the bottom of your pot. Remember that cold weather and altitude will drain your fuel much quicker than normal. Bring extra canisters. Running out of fuel sucks as does eating cold wet food. For a several day group trip, its never a bad idea to ask everyone to bring a fresh fuel canister.
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May 21, 2019 21:35
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Any stove system will fail if you don't bring enough fuel and/or burn too much of it, which seems is what happened. If you want to know how much fuel is left in a used canister before heading out, the easiest way is to just weigh them. Many/most manufacturers label both the net and gross weight on the canister, making this easy. If not (or to just be more accurate), you can also weigh new canisters when you buy them or before using them for the first time, and mark the gross weight on the outside.
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May 21, 2019 23:08
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Yeah, definitely lessons learned; just kind of nuts that all three of us ran out of fuel on the same trip, and honestly within like 10 minutes of each other
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May 21, 2019 23:13
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You can get a general sense of how much gas is left by floating the canister in water. The gas level will be right at water level. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-LIavISXqo Tigren fucked around with this message at 23:44 on May 21, 2019 |
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There's an icon on the side of the can telling you this too.
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