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lol if your public highschool didn't read zinn 
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Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:lol if your public highschool didn't read zinn at no point from elementary school through college was anything like zinn even mentioned lmao
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May 7, 2019 20:43
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My first high school history teacher basically tried to teach me that Great Man Theory was correct, but it was bad because they were usually violent, and that American Democracy had been designed to avoid great men. He also liked Lenin despite being pretty conservative somehow.
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May 7, 2019 21:02
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Weirdly, we learned a ton about the Native American genocide in high school, despite this being in the years before people started to understand exactly how many people died from disease. I don't think that was standard curriculum though. Our US history teacher was this batshit korean war vet in his 60s who had enormous biceps, loving loathed Andrew Jackson for a host of probably justified but never really explained reasons, and threatened to shoot "any of you rat fuckers who wears a confederate flag this side of the mason dixon line", and once broke up a fight by hurling a desk at the kids who were squabbling. He was also super racist about koreans and basically refused to teach us anything about communists except weird conspiracy theories about how they raised kids to be amoral, so he wasn't some paragon of good in the ocean of white trash I grew up in. Still, I was pretty disappointed when I went to college and found out that most historians were not nearly that entertaining.
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May 7, 2019 21:10
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Serf posted:at no point from elementary school through college was anything like zinn even mentioned lmao
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May 7, 2019 21:12
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things i learned in school: -the trail of tears happened and it was Good -the civil war was fought over states rights, the slaves were going to be freed within 10 years -eli whitney was black -early humans met dinosaurs -premarital sex is where aids comes from -evolution isn't real, your parents had to sign a permission slip for you to go to biology class that day, otherwise you went to the gym. i was one of 3 people who learned about evolution and yet us public school kids turned out 10x better than the private school kids
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May 7, 2019 21:17
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In my US History class we watched The Patriot and took our midterm on it.
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May 7, 2019 21:21
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Serf posted:things i learned in school: i know of 6 private school kids. Five of them, at age 30, own multiple homes and have rewarding careers. one got into drugs. Most of my public school gradding class aren't doing amazing. What is a "private school" in America?
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May 7, 2019 21:23
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My (rural Ohio public) middle school history teacher was a huge Allen W. Eckert fan and loved asking us to really visualize the carnage as he read the gory bits of That Dark and Bloody River: Chronicles of the Ohio River Valley outloud in class. He did always emphasize that the settlers were usually even more brutal than the native americans and didn't candy coat that "settled" was a prettied up way of saying "invaded". Edit: I just remembered he was also the teacher that for the lesson on the Triangle trade had us push all the desks to the side of the room, measure out squares on the floor, had everyone lay down in them, then turned off the lights and read a passage describing the conditions on the trans-atlantic slave ships and asked us how we'd like to have spent weeks chained up in that position with no bathroom breaks. Dude was pretty woke for a football coach in the 1990s. mkultra419 fucked around with this message at 21:33 on May 7, 2019 |
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May 7, 2019 21:25
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I've had this discussion a thousand times and I never relate to any of this. I learned all about slavery, the genocide and forced assimilation of indigenous people, Jim Crow, the Holocaust, all of it. Except the labour movement, or anything that smelled vaguely like socialism. (Except National Socialism, which is evil.)
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May 7, 2019 21:25
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TheDiceMustRoll posted:i know of 6 private school kids. This depends heavily on where you ask but for many places the answer is "a school run by a church directly."
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May 7, 2019 21:28
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TheDiceMustRoll posted:i know of 6 private school kids. mostly places founded in 1968 for ~~mysterious reasons~~ where a 99% white student body can freely chant slur-laden slogans while learning that benjamin franklin invented electricity
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May 7, 2019 21:40
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My kid goes to a private school but it’s  so ?
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May 7, 2019 21:45
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Serf posted:mostly places founded in 1968 for ~~mysterious reasons~~
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May 7, 2019 21:48
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Reene posted:In my US History class we watched The Patriot and took our midterm on it. The real life name of the horse mel gibson rode was pablo and my mom used to rent him to learn to ride. He was apparently a spitting, viscous, turd of a horse please consider adding him to the OP
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May 7, 2019 21:56
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Serf posted:-early humans met dinosaurs We do have photographic evidence:  Halloween Jack posted:I've had this discussion a thousand times and I never relate to any of this. I learned all about slavery, the genocide and forced assimilation of indigenous people, Jim Crow, the Holocaust, all of it. Yeah, after reading some of these posts, I need to reconsider how much I mocked New Jersey public schools. Apparently I got a really good education.
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May 7, 2019 21:58
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So today I googled "Nazis in tabletop gaming" just to see what would come up, and hoo boy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_board_games You couldn't write a more offensive and somehow hilarious list of games Nazis would come up with. quote:Juden Raus! (lit. "Jews Out!") ... is a commercial boardgame rather than a Nazi propaganda effort,[8] and contains no Nazi symbolism.[9] The game was officially criticised by the SS journal Das Schwarze Korps, which believed the game trivialised anti-Semitic policies. Mors Rattus posted:This depends heavily on where you ask but for many places the answer is "a school run by a church directly." Don't forget the pants-on-head crazy college prep schools, which I attended a lot for middle school. In 7th grade they were teaching us both Mandarin and Latin at the same time, and Taekwondo was our physical education. The kids were all very, very weird. The type of kids who truly believed if they didn't get perfect grades in middle school they'd never succeed in life. I remember during "finals" most of my friends spent about 4 hours every weekday studying at the library, 6 hours on weekends. One day I decided I'd rather play Runescape instead of study and one girl was so offended she tried to physically pull me out of the computer chair by my hair. Last I heard she never went to college and is trying to be a model. Punkinhead fucked around with this message at 22:04 on May 7, 2019 |
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May 7, 2019 22:00
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I actually got so much Howard Zinn I got sick of the guy, and I was in Texas schools most of the time. (Urban G&T programs in Houston, mind you, I'm sure the standard curriculum in Arlen would have been very different.) I think the main issue is that a lot of this stuff gets written as a "corrective" or "what THEY got WRONG" and so forth and nobody sits down and writes, for instance, a non-shithead textbook to sell or distribute freely. Perhaps this wouldn't pay, perhaps it wouldn't be the best way to do it, but that is my own perspective on a lot of history classes.
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May 7, 2019 22:02
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Nessus posted:I think the main issue is that a lot of this stuff gets written as a "corrective" or "what THEY got WRONG" and so forth and nobody sits down and writes, for instance, a non-shithead textbook to sell or distribute freely. Perhaps this wouldn't pay, perhaps it wouldn't be the best way to do it, but that is my own perspective on a lot of history classes. Unless it's changed since I last heard, textbooks are written to appeal to Texas. Because Texas buys the whole state's books at once in such a way, they either make or break your publishing house. If you got Zinn, I have no idea how that slipped through. I'm guessing there was still a crate of "Texas approved" textbooks gathering dust in a basement somewhere.
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May 7, 2019 22:22
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PinheadSlim posted:So today I googled "Nazis in tabletop gaming" just to see what would come up, and hoo boy. lmfao Yeah where I live "Private School" means "School you paid a fuckton of money to go into"
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May 7, 2019 22:45
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TheDiceMustRoll posted:lmfao Same, I was thinking that no poo poo someone with rich bastard parents are going to grow up to be rich bastards
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May 7, 2019 23:29
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moths posted:Unless it's changed since I last heard, textbooks are written to appeal to Texas. However in high school yeah Zinn came out. It was probably because it was a G&T program in Houston, which by sheer scale/diversity alone was probably somewhat less than purestrain chud at the Deaf Smith Confederate Memorial County High School. Zinn's book was also in (pretty much literally) every college course that touched on history that I took, with the exception of the two courses on Irish history since 1600 (for obvious reasons). There were staple textbooks and I had wished that Zinn's content or its equivalent was better integrated into the core text, because I think that would have both improved the quality and breadth of the content, AND ALSO, I would'nt have had to buy four loving copies of Zinn's book (and got two free copies, along the way) during my college career. Like it ain't that Zinn is bad, it's that he sure the gently caress wasn't Marx or Plato or something. Update the core book, don't make me keep buying supplements! 
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May 7, 2019 23:54
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They honestly should have just made you get Zinn's sources, which are available in a single (cheap) companion volume, at least in college. I'd be offended if Zinn were assigned for the same reason I'd be offended if Rise & Fall of the Third Reich were. It's a seminal volume with iffy historiography by today's standards, and it's definitely not good enough to be in 4 different classes
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May 8, 2019 01:06
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evol262 posted:They honestly should have just made you get Zinn's sources, which are available in a single (cheap) companion volume, at least in college.
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May 8, 2019 02:03
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TheDiceMustRoll posted:lmfao rich people are deeply diseased
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May 8, 2019 02:42
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Serf posted:rich people are disease
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May 8, 2019 02:56
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I went to expensive private Catholic school and we were educated heavily on American and Australian war crimes because it was run by Irish and they hate imperialism.
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May 8, 2019 02:57
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Nessus posted:We did have the official textbook and I remember Texas History in particular was kind of weird although that may well have been a weirdo teacher. (Even then it was kind of clear to me in 7th grade that the Mexicans under Santa Anna were entirely justified, and just got unlucky.) I went through the GT/AP programs in suburban Houston and never encountered Zinn My US History class did manage to make it all the way through the 1970s, though. That was pretty neat.
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May 8, 2019 03:37
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How is Privateer Press' hyper masculine schtick goin' these days?
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May 8, 2019 03:37
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They've still got some cheesecake in the line but 'Page 5' has been dead for while
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May 8, 2019 05:50
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I always thought that PP thing was just a dumb gag since they're talking about playing games with daintily painted toys.
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May 8, 2019 05:53
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Yeah, Iron Kingdoms had juvenile poo poo in it but it seemed much less thud and blunder than WH40k ever was. Some of this might just be that they were #2, of course.
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May 8, 2019 09:03
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JBP posted:I always thought that PP thing was just a dumb gag since they're talking about playing games with daintily painted toys. PP was funny about this, especially in the first edition. The 1st ed rulebook stopped the rules text in several places to discuss how AWESOME and DYNAMICALLY POSED Privateer miniatures were, and BADASS their weapons etc looked. Someone in the writers' room had a thing about "daintily painted toys" and went out of their way to try and sell Warmachine's models as uniquely manly and cool. Of course it worked a treat back then, Privateer pretty much single-handed ended GW's monopoly in some places. EDIT: Flipping through old stuff, I remember getting a feeling there was an editorial mandate or something to ADD MORE GRIMDARK once the game started to take off. There were some hilariously dropped-in bits of "and then we slaughtered everybody including our own men!" in the fluff which had clearly been added afterwards. You could barely move for machinery powered by souls or something.
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May 8, 2019 11:12
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lilljonas posted:Italy is kind of on the Japanese side of things, with certain football teams still doing fascist salutes en masse and many families displaying portraits of Mussolini at home as if it was a Normal and Cool thing.  Yep, that's an Il Duce barbeque apron on sale in the tourist centre of Amalfi. The wife and I couldn't believe it and started taking the piss, and the shopkeeper gave us such a look.  That's a till receipt for the pizzeria in Sanfatucchio in Umbria, where I lived for a while. The entire front of the restaurant is essentially a WW2 museum with loads of guns, photos, propaganda posters, dioramas with dummies in uniforms, etc. Which is unsettling enough when you go in there unprepared to get a pizza - but then you realise that bar a couple of hats and maybe a rifle or two, every single item is from the Axis side. (The owner was shaven-headed, wore all-black, and IIRC drove a black Hummer...  )
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May 8, 2019 11:15
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Loxbourne posted:PP was funny about this, especially in the first edition. The 1st ed rulebook stopped the rules text in several places to discuss how AWESOME and DYNAMICALLY POSED Privateer miniatures were, and BADASS their weapons etc looked. Someone in the writers' room had a thing about "daintily painted toys" and went out of their way to try and sell Warmachine's models as uniquely manly and cool.
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May 8, 2019 11:37
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ProfessorCirno posted:The equivalent isn't the US not really teaching WW1, the equivalent is the US not teaching jack poo poo about Reconstruction and it's intentional failure, or really teaching about anything regarding MLK beyond "he had a dream and then a bad person shot America's Black Friend," or America not teaching a whole lot about the intentional mass genocide of Indigenous Americans, or etc, etc, etc. Like, it's a long goddamn list.
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May 8, 2019 11:57
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Doesn't WMH still only have about two named PoC characters?
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May 8, 2019 12:07
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PLAY LIKE YOU'VE GOT A PAIR
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May 8, 2019 12:17
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moths posted:Doesn't WMH still only have about two named PoC characters? Nah they have an entire race of BDSM Mongols, Scottish Trolls and Afro-Caribbean themed Lizard/Pig/Crocodile men.
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Er, I probably should have specified humans.
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