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SirKibbles
Feb 27, 2011

I didn't like your old red text so here's some dancing cash. :10bux:
This prensented without comment it speaks for itself

https://twitter.com/cirisolo/status/1125519424952209408

Also somebody pointed this out and I didn't even think of it

https://twitter.com/aryagendry/status/1125236839743234048

It comes off as whatever happen when Jon told them his real parentage makes her go I don't belong here anymore. I shouldn't have to assume as a viewer because that's really important and you probably should've shown the Stark sister reactions.

SirKibbles fucked around with this message at 05:09 on May 8, 2019

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Laterite
Mar 14, 2007

It's Gutfest '89
Grimey Drawer

ruddiger posted:

They were supposed to be huge. Like, rideable even. Robb's looked as big as a horse when it was killed. Ghost should be like 8 feet tall easily but I guess Jon doesn't feed him responsibly so he's undersized and malnourished.

Yeah that's the most irritating aspect of the direwolves on the show. All that money blown on CGI (supposedly) and the best they can do is make a slightly larger dog.

lezard_valeth
Mar 14, 2016
Yeah, she probably left because Jon was her favorite brother and a) Sansa is doing her own thing now and b) Bran is brain dead so she doesn't have anything left in Winterfell.

It's subtle but I still would have preferred if we could have actually seen how they took it.

SirKibbles
Feb 27, 2011

I didn't like your old red text so here's some dancing cash. :10bux:

lezard_valeth posted:

Yeah, she probably left because Jon was her favorite brother and a) Sansa is doing her own thing now and b) Bran is brain dead so she doesn't have anything left in Winterfell.

It's subtle but I still would have preferred if we could have actually seen how they took it.

Yeah I added an edit the point is they're making the viewer fill in the gaps on really important stuff. Like Dany makes Gendry Lord of Storms End as a power play. This won't work because he's in love with Arya who is loyal to Jon but the only reason this can happen is because Gendry has never mentioned he knew Arya for some weird reason even when they're talking about Gendry getting sold off during the wight hunt he doesn't bring up Arya.

There's so many things like this where we should see things or people should know or bring up things but don't.....because why?

edit: Why don't character react to new info or withhold info like they have the script is my point.

We can't show the Stark Sisters reactions because we want it to be shocking when Sansa tells,we can't have Gendry mention Arya because we want it to be shocking when they hook up(even though this goes against basic romance writing 101)

SirKibbles fucked around with this message at 05:19 on May 8, 2019

Tender Bender
Sep 17, 2004

Raccooon posted:

I blame Infinity War for this. Feel like the subverting expectations in mainstream media started the trope there. However, it actually subverted expectations in a satisfying way. But everyone took the lesson of subverting expectations is good no matter what.


I'm sorry dude are you posting in the literal game of thrones thread that you think the trend of subverting expectations for subversions sake started last year with infinity war? In the game of thrones thread.

Admiral Ray
May 17, 2014

Proud Musk and Dogecoin fanboy

SirKibbles posted:

Yeah I added an edit the point is they're making the viewer fill in the gaps on really important stuff. Like Dany makes Gendry Lord of Storms End as a power play. This won't work because he's in love with Arya who is loyal to Jon but the only reason this can happen is because Gendry has never mentioned he knew Arya for some weird reason even when they're talking about Gendry getting sold off during the wight hunt he doesn't bring up Arya.

There's so many things like this where we should see things or people should know or bring up things but don't.....because why?

edit: Why don't character react to new info or withhold info like they have the script is my point.

We can't show the Stark Sisters reactions because we want it to be shocking when Sansa tells,we can't have Gendry mention Arya because we want it to be shocking when they hook up(even though this goes against basic romance writing 101)

So I found an Entertainment Weekly interview with the showrunners from back in April and it turns out they absolutely love how the Soprano's ended on an ambiguous note. So all this ambiguity about reactions might be stemming from that.

Bottom Liner
Feb 15, 2006


a specific vein of lasagna

Raccooon posted:

I blame Infinity War for this. Feel like the subverting expectations in mainstream media started the trope there.

The gently caress? Infinity War went best for beat how anyone that’s read any of the related comics expected it to. Shiiiiiiiiiiit dude.

ironlung
Dec 31, 2001

SirKibbles posted:

This prensented without comment it speaks for itself

https://twitter.com/cirisolo/status/1125519424952209408


Sorry to derail but I've seen at least one other video in this same style. Not even sure if the other one was about GoT. Is it the same person doing them or is this a thing people are doing to make fun of stuff?

Bottom Liner
Feb 15, 2006


a specific vein of lasagna
You just discovered memes. Welcome to the internet.

ironlung
Dec 31, 2001

Bottom Liner posted:

You just discovered memes. Welcome to the internet.

Yes I'm asking if this is a meme or are they being done by the same person. I guess you answered my question.

SirKibbles
Feb 27, 2011

I didn't like your old red text so here's some dancing cash. :10bux:

Admiral Ray posted:

So I found an Entertainment Weekly interview with the showrunners from back in April and it turns out they absolutely love how the Soprano's ended on an ambiguous note. So all this ambiguity about reactions might be stemming from that.

Episode 6 is going to be terrible and literally every fan will be unhappy. They will consider themselves geniuses no lessons learned. I can't wait until a few years from now when actors aren't afraid of getting blacklisted and we get to see how bad it is.

ew posted:

Won’t you be a little curious? I know you’re not big on social media, but you won’t be tempted at all to look at Twitter?
WEISS: At some point, if and when it’s safe to come out again, somebody like [HBO’s GoT publicist Mara Mikialian] will give us a breakdown of what was out there without us having to actually experience it.
BENIOFF: I plan to be very drunk and very far from the internet.


SirKibbles fucked around with this message at 06:05 on May 8, 2019

Tender Bender
Sep 17, 2004

The core problem of this show comes down to d&d not understanding that grrm's story has real heart and sentiment to it. They (and a lot of the fans tbh) took away the "ANYONE CAN DIE!" message without understanding that this is not a nihilistic story (and actually not anyone can die). ASOIAF has tragedy and cruelty but it is fundamentally about humanity and relationships and why people live and fight. It's not just pointless violence and evil being smart while good is noble and dumb.

The rise and reign of dark queen cersei in the show is a huge example of that. The small folk hate her, she has like one person in the entire city who has her back politically, and then she blows up the high sparrow and the church. You know, those things that had significance because a huge part of the population rose up in a revolution and were so powerful that they had the loving queen (queens?) imprisoned in the middle of the capital and no one could do poo poo. Does that revolution have any reaction to what Cersei did? Nope, she "beat" the high sparrow so now she wins and that story's done with. Relationships don't matter, even the things people do don't matter, the outcome is all that matters. She has the Power so she Rules because D&D read one character say that in the books and thought it was true.

Then look at what happens in the books. Tywin rules cruelly and pragmatically, and D&D thought he was the smart one. He throws away honor, he breaks guest rights, he does the smart moves necessary to crush the others in the war of five kings. Then he dies (because he basically tortures his son into executing him) and his family collapses immediately because it was built on a weak foundation held together by fear and raw power, and he raised his children to be toxic shitheads who can't even stand each other. Cersei gets outplayed because no one actually likes the lannisters and the lannister dynasty is shredded apart. She isn't going to be queen of poo poo for very long, and Tommen is just going to be a pawn of whoever has him until he gets killed and someone replaces him (it sure as hell won't be Cersei)

GRRM contrasts this really sharply with the Starks. Ned was honorable to a fault, sure. He made serious, costly mistakes. Was he dumb? I don't think so. He treated his men, his friends, his family, and even his enemies fairly and with respect. He raised his children as well as he could, and tried to encourage their strengths instead of forcing them to grow in his image. Because of who he was and how he ruled, when he dies, his family survives. When the Boltons get Winterfell, the North remembers, and in Dance we see folks like the Manderleys plotting to backstab the Boltons for "Ned's little girl" (they think Ramsay's fake Arya is actually Arya, but it's the thought that counts). If Winds comes out we'll see the houses of the North help Stannis overthrow the Boltons, not so that one of them can rule, but to restore a Stark to Winterfell. No one is doing that for Cersei or Tommen. That's what ASOIAF is about. It's cynical but not nihilistic.

D&D don't even understand why a queen without a claim living alone with one person who doesn't hate her can't rule. They probably think the only mistake Tywin made was not locking the bathroom door, and that once Cersei wins her trial she'll be back on top because she rules in his style. I'll be surprised if she survives Winds, if that book ever comes out.

Tender Bender fucked around with this message at 06:10 on May 8, 2019

Josuke Higashikata
Mar 7, 2013


The small folk hate everyone though. They tried to rape Sansa and all she ever did to them was be high born.
And that hatred isn't especially irrational in the universe because small folk are downtrodden and treated as worthless (the actions 100% are).
The thing about Cersei and her faith militant is that they were also against the Tyrells. They probably would have attempted a revolution against any incumbent ruler.

The thing about it all is that we're not actually shown that Cersei is an especially bad ruler of King's Landing. We "hate" her because she's a nasty piece of poo poo and we're told to but KL isn't especially floundering, even considering it's Winter now.
The book Cersei is shown to be a bad ruler and things get immediately better when she's taken from the throne. Show Cersei is just Aryan Night King at this point. She's bad, she has to die, she has no motivation and her actions are generally not substantial anymore.

Dr. Video Games 0112
Jan 7, 2004

serious business

No Wave posted:

Idk why this scene is such a big deal, it's just stupid and over in eight seconds.

The actress is awful, worse than the other pornstar they hired, though I think the SS were models? Whatever.

Admiral Ray posted:

So I found an Entertainment Weekly interview with the showrunners from back in April and it turns out they absolutely love how the Soprano's ended on an ambiguous note. So all this ambiguity about reactions might be stemming from that.

HBO's biggest prior show, known for having notoriously unsatisfying ending, now with the levels of poo poo these D&D reached so far, I wouldn't be surprised. GRRM also said he loves Lost? RIP these last 2 episodes, may as well not watch.
It's gonna zoom in on Bran 30 mins in and last 30 minute fractal screen saver motage and they'll say it's a Kubric tribute.

Dr. Video Games 0112 fucked around with this message at 06:37 on May 8, 2019

Tender Bender
Sep 17, 2004

Josuke Higashikata posted:

The small folk hate everyone though. They tried to rape Sansa and all she ever did to them was be high born.
And that hatred isn't especially irrational in the universe because small folk are downtrodden and treated as worthless (the actions 100% are).
The thing about Cersei and her faith militant is that they were also against the Tyrells. They probably would have attempted a revolution against any incumbent ruler.

The thing about it all is that we're not actually shown that Cersei is an especially bad ruler of King's Landing. We "hate" her because she's a nasty piece of poo poo and we're told to but KL isn't especially floundering, even considering it's Winter now.
The book Cersei is shown to be a bad ruler and things get immediately better when she's taken from the throne. Show Cersei is just Aryan Night King at this point. She's bad, she has to die, she has no motivation and her actions are generally not substantial anymore.

Well what I meant was why does that small folk revolution stop when she blows up the church instead of amping up to a fever pitch? It's just completely erased. And she doesn't have anyone in the noble/political sphere on her side either, which is her downfall in the books. Kevan and Pycelle basically have her shoved out once her grip on power slips and she only gets back in because Varys sees that her position is so precarious that he wants her to be ruling rather than them.

In the show she also has no one but it doesn't matter because D&D could not give less of a poo poo. For all intents and purposes she and Euron are basically the only human beings with agency in King's Landing, so no one's going to challenge her internally. It's why they're tipping the scales in such an obvious and sloppy way by conjuring Euron's superfleet and the golden company, and ganking Dany's dragon, so they can set up a close high stakes battle, because they don't understand that a character who murdered their way to the top with no friends or allies might have actually already lost and doesn't need to be beaten in a fight. I'll be really happy if I'm wrong and they do something interesting with her in the next episode though.

Roy Gato III
Jun 2, 2013

There goes the Thrones / Westworld crossover theory

Roy Gato III
Jun 2, 2013

Happy Noodle Boy posted:

A couple of pages back but the telenovela opening is :discourse:

Mods change my name to Juan Nieves tia

an skeleton
Apr 23, 2012

scowls @ u
Come on y'all. The absolute WORST these last 2 episodes can be, the floor on entertainment here, is stupid visceral high-budget spectacle with 2 handfuls of Cool Looking and/or Badass poo poo and probably at least 1 actually emotionally affective scene.

BunLengthHotDog
Jun 30, 2003

Good Game

SirKibbles posted:

Also somebody pointed this out and I didn't even think of it

https://twitter.com/aryagendry/status/1125236839743234048

It comes off as whatever happen when Jon told them his real parentage makes her go I don't belong here anymore. I shouldn't have to assume as a viewer because that's really important and you probably should've shown the Stark sister reactions.

I took this scene as them both knowing they have a pretty good chance of dying in the near future. The Hound is going after The Mountain, and Arya is likely going after Cersei.

Jezza of OZPOS
Mar 21, 2018


GET LOSE❌🗺️, YOUS CAN'T COMPARE😤 WITH ME 💪POWERS🇦🇺

an skeleton posted:

Come on y'all. The absolute WORST these last 2 episodes can be, the floor on entertainment here, is stupid visceral high-budget spectacle with 2 handfuls of Cool Looking and/or Badass poo poo and probably at least 1 actually emotionally affective scene.

This is all I’m expecting and I’m excited, but the part of my brain that will never let me be truely happy is absolutely gonna post about it here and let you all know specifically what the worst 3 parts were

Aginor
Aug 1, 2005

by Fluffdaddy
I was still refusing to believe the night king was dead and that that Bran theory was correct. What a fool I am! Still can't believe all that build up led to one episode and it was over like it never happened.

Why have they ended up rushing this so much? Is it too expensive to make? Or are they all just burnt out and decided they'd end it as quickly as possible?

Steve Yun
Aug 7, 2003
I'm a parasitic landlord that needs to get a job instead of stealing worker's money. Make sure to remind me when I post.
Soiled Meat
It doesn’t matter if the story sucks, people are going to watch them anyways. Story sucking didn’t stop Star Wars movies from breaking records, there’s too much fan momentum for some properties

DrVenkman
Dec 28, 2005

I think he can hear you, Ray.

Aginor posted:

I was still refusing to believe the night king was dead and that that Bran theory was correct. What a fool I am! Still can't believe all that build up led to one episode and it was over like it never happened.

Why have they ended up rushing this so much? Is it too expensive to make? Or are they all just burnt out and decided they'd end it as quickly as possible?

I posted this in the spoiler thread but there's 2 outside elements at play here (beyond Benioff and Weiss being merely *ok* as showrunners). This stuff was going around prior to this season airing by the way.

1) That GRRM told them the ending in as much as it was supposedly just a rough idea and wasn't sketched out much more than that. I honestly think they went into this believing GRRM would be further along by this point than he was

2) HBO took a knife to the budget, likely because of their upcoming merger.

stev
Jan 22, 2013

Please be excited.



DrVenkman posted:

1) That GRRM told them the ending in as much as it was supposedly just a rough idea and wasn't sketched out much more than that. I honestly think they went into this believing GRRM would be further along by this point than he was

The thing is I can totally see GRRM telling them the events that he has planned for the ending.

But he didn't tell them the 2,000+ pages of how, why and who - because he hadn't written most of it yet. It's the interweaving narrative and character development that makes this series special - not big battles and dragon CGI. And that's something D&D simply don't have the skill to replicate.

e: Boardwalk Empire seasons 1-3 are stellar and the rest is still pretty loving good.

stev fucked around with this message at 07:56 on May 8, 2019

Roy Gato III
Jun 2, 2013

As Nero Danced posted:

Speaking of shows sucking by the time they ended, I remember Boardwalk Empire running out of steam by the time it ended. A combination of the intended lead character's actor being a shithead (the kid, not Buscemi) forcing them to kill the character off in season 2 and not really having a climactic historical finish left them kind of spinning their wheels until it was time to put the show out of its misery. It didn't keep the characters in conflict with eachother and sent them off in their own directions and couldn't pull them back together in a satisfying way.

The show was never a ratings juggernaut and they gave it one last shortened season to tie things up. They did a pretty long timeskip, which kind of blew past several interesting historical events that could have made for good TV but for what it's worth, I think they did a decent job, even if Nucky's killer (final episode spoiler) really doesn't make sense. They wanted it to be Sopranos 2.0s in terms of its cultural impact and while it never reached that level, the quality never drops as precipitously as GoT Season 8 does and remains an interesting watch throughout.

Buscemi was also terribly miscast role of the protagonist Nucky (especially when compared to the performances of other characters) , and you can see them try to move away from him somewhat in later seasons, making it unfocused.

Still, if you like your prestige drama period pieces, it fills the hole left behind by Deadwood and Rome pretty well and is worth a watch.

CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK
Sep 11, 2001



DrVenkman posted:

I posted this in the spoiler thread but there's 2 outside elements at play here (beyond Benioff and Weiss being merely *ok* as showrunners). This stuff was going around prior to this season airing by the way.

1) That GRRM told them the ending in as much as it was supposedly just a rough idea and wasn't sketched out much more than that. I honestly think they went into this believing GRRM would be further along by this point than he was

2) HBO took a knife to the budget, likely because of their upcoming merger

Do you have a source for this? Because last I heard HBO was willing and in fact wanted them to run the show for as long as possible even if the budget kept increasing.

Dr. Video Games 0112
Jan 7, 2004

serious business

Aginor posted:

I was still refusing to believe the night king was dead and that that Bran theory was correct. What a fool I am! Still can't believe all that build up led to one episode and it was over like it never happened.

Why have they ended up rushing this so much? Is it too expensive to make? Or are they all just burnt out and decided they'd end it as quickly as possible?

Steve Yun posted:

It doesn’t matter if the story sucks, people are going to watch them anyways. Story sucking didn’t stop Star Wars movies from breaking records, there’s too much fan momentum for some properties

It's kind of a popular, nerdy 2010~ book series for grognards, the show rode on "authenticity" and giving the fans due respect without just plain ol' cashing in. LOTR movies is the best comparison, we're deep into Hobbit movie fanfiction territory, but it's on the whole substantially worse level than those. The obvious culprits to point to is would be because it's a pretty fickle fanbase, unlike the long established Tolkien one and also because GRRM stopped writing, was phoning it in himself for a while. You can't really compare Jackson and D&D as far as talent, though it's still fair, since Tolkien and GRRM are about equivalent in stark talent difference.

Besides the TV show format, where the budget is reduced over time and shows are expected to carry themselves, unlike movies, the other theory I always point to is how the decline in quality seems to coincide with major acting talent leaving throughout the seasons. I dont know anything about film or big budget tv, but to my untrained eye, I would guess the big names bring their own crew and aides and uncredited co-writers/co-directors, or maybe it's just a motivational thing. Once you're left with Emilia Clarke to carry the show, everyone involved is only willing to give it as much effort as it deserves, you cant really force people to care, especially with strained budgets.

You can take it a step further and look at how the books and the early seasons are actually NOT about battles or spectacle at all, the dragon effects were frankly cheese and omitted as much as possible, because it was never at all the core. The later seasons I think are geared towards more casual fans, perhaps even people that dont read, the ones that they actually earned entirely through the show, by the property and word of mouth. You can see in some of the sharpest declines in quality, is where the real epic fights happen for the show as a whole and they are pretty good visually, for what it's worth. In the times that we live in, for big budget hollywood, writing seems to be the first on the chopping block. It all adds up.

Dr. Video Games 0112 fucked around with this message at 08:13 on May 8, 2019

Steve Yun
Aug 7, 2003
I'm a parasitic landlord that needs to get a job instead of stealing worker's money. Make sure to remind me when I post.
Soiled Meat
This is just armchair CEOing, but I get the feeling they had a mandated ceiling on the budget per season. Splitting the 7th season into two let’s them have another precious year or two of GOT-only-watchers continuing to subscribe, and by having short seasons they can splurge on individual episodes while keeping the total yearly budget under control. The fact that they talk about CGI difficulties with dogs suggests to me that they had to make tradeoffs on the effects budgets. Having big battles and dragon scenes probably meant they had to cut corners on other special effects.

lezard_valeth
Mar 14, 2016


:lol: this still has so much potential

"why didn't they use the dothraki cavalry as a hammer to the unsullied anvil this is ridiculous"
"the recoil from the ballesta should have teared the boat apart this is ridiculous"

and some other goon classics

DrVenkman
Dec 28, 2005

I think he can hear you, Ray.

CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:

Do you have a source for this? Because last I heard HBO was willing and in fact wanted them to run the show for as long as possible even if the budget kept increasing.

Oh not at all. When they were shooting in Ireland I had heard that budget was an issue,but didn't believe it (Usual from a friend of a friend stuff). Then before the season aired I'd heard the same thing from other people kinda involved in the show and it only made me think about it because there's been people talking about it again on twitter. By all means, take it with a grain of salt.

But the hyper-accelerated storyline and some of the choices they've been having to defend feel like they were purposeful feel like budget problems. Them out there trying to explain why there was no scene of Jon saying bye to his wolf are pure bullshit (though not discounting that Jon actually reteams with him at the end to walk the earth, their excuses could just be smoke and mirrors).

However, once this season is over I guarantee you that you're going to hear more about what's been going on behind the scenes.

justcola
May 22, 2004

La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo

For those curious about the Dire Wolf - we can use CGI (Computer, Great Images) to make dogs any size we want. Want the dogs as big as dragons? No problem.



Want someone to pat the dog? Have the actor simply 'act' like they are patting the dog and we can use CGI to put one in. Kit Harington is roughly the size of a Lego Minifig anyway, so finding a big dog could remove the need for CGI.

And those angry that the dragon was killed in just a few seconds and had less emotional impact than when they killed the direwolf in the first season that had only been there a few episodes?

Um...try replacing the dragon with a dog?



A Dance With Dogs

TheKevman
Dec 13, 2003
I thought Mad Max: Fury Road was
:mediocre:
so you should probably ignore anything else I say

DrVenkman posted:

Them out there trying to explain why there was no scene of Jon saying bye to his wolf are pure bullshit

No, David Nutter said this was done on purpose to create emotion, and I agree.

I haven't been more pissed at Jon and that's saying a lot, the stupid gently caress.

DrVenkman
Dec 28, 2005

I think he can hear you, Ray.

TheKevman posted:

No, David Nutter said this was done on purpose to create emotion, and I agree.

I haven't been more pissed at Jon and that's saying a lot, the stupid gently caress.

I will disagree because I don't think that's what the episode was actually trying to do, but they've taken the reaction people had and gone 'See! We intended this to happen!'

Its like having no Chewie/Leia scene at the end of TFA. It was an oversight, but at least JJ Abrams admitted as much.

Roland Jones
Aug 18, 2011

by Nyc_Tattoo

TulliusCicero posted:

She is absolutely hilarious when she does interviews and is like the exact opposite of Dany stoneface. It kinda sucks she doesn't have a role or any parts where she can ham it up. She might have made a good Yara honestly.

She also is really open about her issues with filming because of the aneuyrisms and how she just worked through it.

I've said this before, but I think she works really well as Dany... When they give her good material to work with. Season 1 Dany, Dany sacking Astapor, some of the scenes this season, etc. But because they kind of had to sideline her for most of the series because her arriving in Westeros starts the endgame, and they can't just not have her around, she wound up doing a lot of nonsense that sounds like it wasn't great in the books and was mostly even worse in D&D's incapable hands. They needed less burning things, more times of her reflecting and ruling things in ways other than "do as I say or else", but they wanted her to be "tough" at pretty much all times. And because D&D are hacks who don't understand or like women as anything other than eye candy or "badasses", "tough" usually meant "threatening people and throwing a fit at any perceived challenge or slight". (Murdering the slavers and the ultra-rich was never wrong though.)

This is also why the Sand Snake thing went to poo poo; D&D just wrote the kind of women they think are "cool" and didn't put any thought into, say, if any of their actions or the effects thereof, like them somehow taking over Dorne with no effort whatsoever, made any sense, then killed them all off later because no one liked the resulting nonsense. Hell, it kind of seemed like they were trying to do a "strong women" then, between Dany, Sansa, Yara, Olenna, and Elia and the Sand Snakes, but because they are morons they hosed it all up. If they had, say, not killed Myrcella so pointlessly, and included Arianne at all and maybe put her in charge of Dorne if they had to kill off Doran, that could have been the start of taking things in a much better direction.

HBO should have sacked D&D when they refused to do more than two partial seasons; they've never been good writers, but these last two seasons have clearly been them just going through the requisite plot points in the laziest ways possible. You could have had the same general series of events and developments but had it all flow so much better and more sensibly with just a modicum of effort and forethought, but they're really obviously phoning it in and don't give a poo poo what anyone else thinks.

SirKibbles posted:

Well considering Episode 6 is just an Epilogue of the list that George gave them they'd have to try really hard to gently caress it up. Like literally all they have to do is follow the bullet points ........they're going to gently caress it up aren't they?

I think the problem is that they are following the bullet points, but not thinking about it at all and instead just drawing the straightest line between things and not bothering to put any effort into it. They're just checking things off in as little space as they can manage so they can force it all out in the mini-seasons they insisted on. "Okay, before the attack on King's Landing but after the Battle of Winterfell, Rhaegal gets killed. How do we do this?" "Euron shoots him down while they're on their way to King's Landing. Next." "Dany goes mad like her ancestors, we need reasons for this since so far she's just been kind of pissy and all the people she's killed have deserved it or were really stupid so the audience still sympathizes with her." "Her dragon dies, Cersei kills her best friend, and everyone treats Jon like he should be king for doing things she already does and better or just for no reason at all." "But all of those sound like reasonable things to be upset about, not insanity-" "Shut the gently caress up."


Tangent, this wasn't D or D but is part of the "the production team as a whole are assholes" topic, but who remembers this?

quote:

Yes, Ghost will return—and not just for a tiny cameo. “Oh, you’ll see him again. He has a fair amount of screen time in Season 8,” Bauer said. “He does show up. . . . He’s very present and does some pretty cool things.”

I wonder if there were more scenes cut after this, or if this guy was just lying. If Ghost doesn't come back to save the day in the next episode or two, then his biggest moment was being in the Dothraki charge for a few seconds, then not getting pet by Jon for what would be the last time they'll ever see each other. (Or even spoken to; Jon looks at him for a bit then talks to Tormund and leaves, he can't even say goodbye to the dog directly.)

Roland Jones fucked around with this message at 09:44 on May 8, 2019

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

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ruddiger posted:

They were supposed to be huge. Like, rideable even. Robb's looked as big as a horse when it was killed. Ghost should be like 8 feet tall easily but I guess Jon doesn't feed him responsibly so he's undersized and malnourished.

Ghost is the runt of the litter, so him being smaller than the other dire doggos doesn't bug me much.

It does bug me when the CGI wolf looks like a normal sized dog most of the time, tho, and they easily could have just gotten a normal rear end dog.

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DrVenkman posted:

2) HBO took a knife to the budget, likely because of their upcoming merger.

HBO practically begged D&D to keep the show running for several more seasons but D&D went 'nah we want to do two more and we want them to be short. gna take our money and leave lol peace'

Budget complaints about this season I could still see, though. The amount of money spent on the 55 day shoot + post production for the battle at Winterfell alone must have been astronomical.

esperterra fucked around with this message at 10:08 on May 8, 2019

esperterra
Mar 24, 2010

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Dr. Video Games 0112 posted:

It's kind of a popular, nerdy 2010~ book series for grognards

Are you talking about aSoIaF b/c the first books came out in the 90s.

Binary Logic
Dec 28, 2000

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Roland Jones posted:



I wonder if there were more scenes cut after this, or if this guy was just lying. If Ghost doesn't come back to save the day in the next episode or two, then his biggest moment was being in the Dothraki charge for a few seconds, then not getting pet by Jon for what would be the last time they'll ever see each other. (Or even spoken to; Jon looks at him for a bit then talks to Tormund and leaves, he can't even say goodbye to the dog directly.)

On A Cast of Kings Ep 3 recap podcast, Robinson said there was a scene filmed of Tyrion and Sansa fighting the resurrected corpses in the crypt.

TheRat
Aug 30, 2006

Binary Logic posted:

On A Cast of Kings Ep 3 recap podcast, Robinson said there was a scene filmed of Tyrion and Sansa fighting the resurrected corpses in the crypt.

Every episode so far has been 5-10 minutes or so shorter than what they announced in march or whenever it was. I feel like someone went ham in the cutting room last minute, causing us to lose a lot of context/detail.

Name Change
Oct 9, 2005


This has gone from uneven seasons 5-6 / disappointing 7-8 to one of the worst final seasons of all time, with that episode easily taking the cake as worst episode of the season--an impressive feat, given that the previous episode was a technical and writing disaster. And yes the telenovela comparison is really apt.

It makes the garbage Dorne stuff in season 5 seem relatively minor.

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TheRat
Aug 30, 2006

I honestly enjoyed the poo poo out of ep 1-3. I liked the outline of plot points in ep 4, but the way they executed it was absolutely dreadful. Everything was rushed and like checking off a list. They desperately needed a few more episodes to make it work.

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