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Preoptopus posted:Do you know what? It does! I read that what can happen is the motor is attached to a bracket and due to stress the bracket can bend. In the end since I had an extended warranty I let the dealer handle it. Funny thing is it is a Webasto motor (used in everything from a Taurus to a Honda Accord.) Anyways, $1,000. It is not an easy job. Remove A pillar mouldings, remove to the mirror/night vision stuff, pull down headliner to access.
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Preoptopus posted:Ok just ran outside. So Im retarded, there is a bracket over the obvious screw cap but next to it is a rubber grommet type thing, I thought it was was some sort of hood support, apparently you yank on it and its a dip stick. So the plot thickens. The fluid is if anything a little over filled. At least this tells me there is no leak, OR the dealer knew there is a leak and filled the gently caress out of it for road tests. They guy who sold me the car knew absolutely nothing about it nor did he have much interest in it. (or cars it seamed for that matter) So I dont know. They didnt even know how to put gas in it so I really dont think they looked at this car at all. Fluid should be green. Was the warning message in yellow or red? If red, do not drive. As for the fluid level, if the car sags it will shove the fluid up on the dipstick. It has to go somewhere. And the bracket covering the fill/filter I sort of laughed about that for awhile then realized it is there to really protect yourself. As in you really need to know what you are doing and not pour in some something like washer fluid by accident.
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Colostomy Bag posted:Fluid should be green. Was the warning message in yellow or red? If red, do not drive. Oh poo poo so if its not noticably sagging, if one of the struts/shocks/whatever these are might be plugged internally? Could it explain the driver front (whatever) not being oiled and therefore squeaking for no reason and ruin the pump due to back pressure? EDIT: Message was yellow orange. Preoptopus fucked around with this message at 03:10 on Mar 22, 2019 |
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Lots of reasons. Merc moved to a finer micron filter for the ABC system (which sits under the bracketed cap) to filter debris better which help alleviates the issue. Tandem pumps wear out, like mine apparently did. When mine finally went it rose the front right to max height (like a 4x4) which was the damndest thing. Then I could hear a ticking noise coming from it. The system is quite complex. Each wheel location has a height sensor to tell the valve body where to apply or relieve pressure to raise/lower that corner respectively. Then you add in the nitrogen filled accumulators (there are two) that can go bad and cause odd things as well. If you have a leaky ABC hose air might be ingested which can cause cavitation. Had this too, on startup would feel a loud thump. And through all of this no sign of leakage. With a Star/DAS system most of this is easy to diagnose. Google the rodeo test. Oh, and if one does have a Star testing system, be careful with it. Running some of the diags can kill you or cause amputations. (Seriously)
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Colostomy Bag posted:Lots of reasons. Merc moved to a finer micron filter for the ABC system (which sits under the bracketed cap) to filter debris better which help alleviates the issue. Sounds like it would be worth my time to take it to a specialist previously mentioned and have it diagnosed so at least i know what to do.
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Oh, I thought when you said you ran it on your boss's scan tool, that that was STAR. Was that OBDI?
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kimbo305 posted:Oh, I thought when you said you ran it on your boss's scan tool, that that was STAR. Was that OBDI? Sadly no, just a Snap on Modis with some expanded mercedes update.
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The full Star/das/xentry rig is a laptop (usually a Dell 620 loaded with the software) along with a multiplexor module such as a C4 that plugs into the OBD port.
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So this morning no malfunction notice. Still hear the noise. The technical service bullitain talks about the dampner on the pump weakening and how u can just replace that. ALso mentions a pinched hose.
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You chose this life! Ha
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If you hear a loud pop and then get a red oh poo poo warning make sure to pull over immediately, I drove the car <.25 mile after the line severed and it ate the pump. The poors will understand you parking on the sidewalk.
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https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2002-mercedes-benz-s500-3/ Only a pleb NA V8, but that price gives me some hope that I can minimize losses if I sell on BaT.
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kimbo305 posted:https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2002-mercedes-benz-s500-3/ Not sure about the color but them deep dishes in the back are hot af. Preoptopus fucked around with this message at 03:49 on Mar 23, 2019 |
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Mar 23, 2019 01:13
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Stupid question, I assume mercedes had thought it through to put speed sensors on the column mounted gear selector so you cant knock it into reverse while making a left hand turn or something.
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 The trip mileage is from when I filled up after picking up the car. Go shopping. Start the car up, and it stumbles unevenly at idle, very obviously missing or having a running issue. Circle the parking lot, stop the car, start it back up, it starts a bit unevenly but settles out. Rest of drive home is smooth. Man, it's emotionally too soon to have another issue already. kimbo305 fucked around with this message at 03:36 on Mar 24, 2019 |
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Mar 24, 2019 03:34
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kimbo305 posted:
 For my 2004 E55...are you a bad enough dude to beat my high score??? I should have kept the car since I pretty much fixed everything that could possibly go wrong and did a ton of preventative maintenance, but couldn't get the suspension worked out.
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incels interlinked posted:
Pretty sure he beat that in one repair.
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Between the LR strut and the hose+pump replacement, it's been about $17/day. The recent repair is $13.30/day on its own.
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If my math is correct (maybe not) it's about $30/ day to lease a new base s450, so you are still winning 
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Im finding that driving fingers crossed is the way to drive these things. It really puts in perspective someone well off vs well, me. Id enjoy the car a lot more if I didnt give a poo poo about a 4000 dollar repair. Have an appointment at that Hover Mercedes spot for Wed meanwhile im driving carefully and avoiding pot holes.
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I made my wife promise me to never let me get a fast Mercedes, no matter how much I think of it. She wondered why and I said that it's just as anti-DIY and failure-prone as my BMW, except the repairs are 5x the price, too. You're doing god's work for us, Mercedes goons.
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I'm over 10K in bills. Thank god for the warranty. That figure isn't it out of line, it is basically why the car is sitting there in the lot to begin with.
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kimbo305 posted:
Coil pack or crank sensor probably. Just to add on this edit, was it damp/rainy out? You probably don't even need a DAS unit to find the codes, a simple OBDII reader will probably pull them if what I expect them to be. Colostomy Bag fucked around with this message at 03:40 on Mar 25, 2019 |
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Colostomy Bag posted:Just to add on this edit, was it damp/rainy out? It was dry that day, but it'd been raining a few days the past week before. I have the Star laptop lying around the house somewhere -- I should charge it up, once I find it. OBDII code reader is nowhere to be seen.
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Guy came into our shop the other day with a 07 600 just like mine! (for a flat repair) It was in very used condition. I asked him how many miles he said 87k. I told him i got 82 and he said thats what he had when he bought it. I asked him what he had to spend so far. 2 coil packs and strut. (he curbed it) He also said that its way down on power when it gets warm outside. He said because of an oil leak. (I dont think he knows what he was talking about as he bought it purley to show off by the looks of his 22 inch rims) No abc problems however. Told me to have fun!
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Due to you collective bad influences I have alerts set up for 08-09 S65s because I like their styling the most and '08 was the first year they put designo diamond-stitch interiors in them. If a truly financially ruinous decision comes to pass, let this weigh heavy upon your consciousnesses.
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Tremek posted:Due to you collective bad influences I have alerts set up for 08-09 S65s because I like their styling the most and '08 was the first year they put designo diamond-stitch interiors in them. If a truly financially ruinous decision comes to pass, let this weigh heavy upon your consciousnesses. ONE OF US!
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So I wanted one of these for the longest time, but after seeing this thread, and my experiences with a sub 2k bmw 735i I decided to get the Korean knock off instead, so I bought a Genesis. I know its nowhere near as comfortable or fast, but it wont bankrupt me on repairsI have my house to do that. But Im living vicariously though you guys!
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Never go full Mercedes
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Weather was nice, so went to do something nice and easy, at least I'd hoped -- the trunk struts. The trunk is actuated through some powered linkages, and I guess held up in the open position by a gas strut on each side:  The braided loom just carries some wires into the trunk link. I'm not sure why they couldn't do ball and cup on both ends, but the lid side has this axial mount, allowing only rotation in the direction of the trunk opening:  Retained by that 3-pronged clip that I've pried up a bit already. As soon as I popped the left side off, the trunk immediately started lowering. That was a good sign for me that putting in new struts would help hold it up. The OEM part has a nice precise race on the inside:  The $20 replacement isn't nearly as nice. I got stuck on the right side; couldn't slip on the top mount:  At first, I thought maybe it was made so poorly that the hole was too tight on one end. Then I realized that it would slip on just fine when the other end wasn't installed. So that rod is either bent or the trunk is out of adjustment enough (which it might be, given the uneven gaps) that when the bottom cup is in place, the mount hole and the rod aren't parallel. Once I had both sides in, I tested the power trunk function. It was slow up top, seeming to need to build up some power before closing. From closed, it didn't come up on its own on the first try. Where try means hitting the open button on the trunk, not the fob. First try: click but no motion 2nd try: I think that stops the open attempt? 3rd try: actually comes up, maybe cuz the system is charged up or pressurized enough from the initial try. Thinking maybe the new struts were too powerful, or maybe there was a binding issue with the right side, I swapped the stronger of the two old struts onto that side. Same behavior. Ok, gave up and swapped back to the new one. At least now I know the trunk lid will stay up. I never powered the car up to see if it could recalibrate or anything like that. The FR wheel gap is huge, and the RL gap is not the lowest I've seen, but drooped quite a bit. Not really worried given how I haven't driven it since the shopping misadventure. kimbo305 fucked around with this message at 23:39 on Apr 7, 2019 |
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Had to repark the S65 today cuz of street cleaning, where it'd been sat since 3/23, the day the CEL threw for the stumbling timing. The LR strut was about as dumped as I've ever experienced:  The other ones were fine. As soon as I backed up a bit to pull out, that corner raised right up. Car ran fine, though the CEL was still on. After parking, I checked to see if the trunk opening situation had improved. Nope -- still takes two clicks of the open button for the trunk to come up. And now, the motor can't seem to close from full up without some minor manual assistance. I'm chalking it up to these poo poo $20 (for both) struts and ordering the OEM ones at $80.  The trunk gap mismatch is noticeable still, but I think it's actually better than before, which suggests to me that the new struts are pressing on the lid slightly differently, which might not be helping things.
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If you get the OEM struts from FCP euro, everything from them has a lifetime warranty. https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/mercedes-trunk-strut-right-2207500236 https://www.fcpeuro.com/products/mercedes-trunk-strut-left-2207500136
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GPS. Later years they combined them both into one sat radio/gps antenna. My 07 has both.
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One bit of good news. On the 2nd startup of the day driving around, the CEL turned off. These front rotors are definitely completely hosed from all the sitting around, but I haven't decided how long I'm gonna put them off. Having the pulsing takes away from the plush driving experience for sure, especially coming to stops.
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The OEM Suspa struts showed up. I popped them on, oriented wrong at first, which had the trunk not closing all the way and some bolts gouging into the strut bodies. But once I got them on right, they didn't have the weird sticking the cheapos did, and now the trunk pops open and closed with just one click each way. Drove it around for a couple hours with no issues besides the pneumatic pump continually trying to maximize pressure or something, leading to regular clicks from the back. I can kill the clicking if I press the "rear headrests up/down" button on the console. The clicking seems to go away 10-20min after startup. Yeah, these front rotors are really messed up, with bordering on unsafe vibration braking at 70mph. I don't want to take it back to the shop so soon, but I feel a little nervous servicing the rotors myself in the driveway with my floor jack nowhere to be found.
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Good to hear about the struts. Where'd you get them from? If the rotors are like other Mercs, they're held on with a bolt and rust. Remove bolt, bang with mallet until satisfied. Might be a bit hairy doing that with a regular car jack.
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Get the 2 ton jack from harbor freight for like 70 bucks
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Preoptopus posted:Get the 2 ton jack from harbor freight for like 70 bucks Also curious where you got the struts from. How difficult was disconnecting the hydrolics. Did you have to bleed the system?
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