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PT6A posted:Accelerationism is real dumb, yo. incrementalism is worse
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Baronjutter posted:The greens are kinda all over the place but honestly not that much worse than the NDP, who are also all over the place and sometimes extremely bad. Basically the issue with the Greens is that they're the classic "socially liberal, fiscally conservative" people that hate the problems but love their causes.
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Ok convinced that Greens are bad except for that list that Postess posted which made me remember some of E-May’s pretty solid trolls over the years. It’s so baffling that the NDP hasn’t picked up on how down so many people seem to be for Eco-Socialism but then again as has been said in the thread, I should stop being surprised, they are not socialists. I mean during the Québec provincial election i was convincing boomer suburbans and Anglos to vote for a socialist sovereignist party based pretty solely on their environmental transition plan.
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May 8, 2019 23:38
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infernal machines posted:I'm not sure if linking JJ McCullough's opinions on anything can be considered a point for or against They aren't opinions, they're meticulously sourced facts. This is an opinion https://twitter.com/JJ_McCullough/status/977274538059743232?s=19
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May 8, 2019 23:39
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I think the 'concern for waterfront properties' nails it. In my experience, green supporters and candidates (my politically inclined friends or I personally met) drive large cars/trucks and do little besides the occasional "we should protect the environment" musings. Especially if they ride fancy bikes, splandex-clad, at their local provincial/national parks. Or like birds.
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Caring about the environment is pretty high in Maslow's hierarchy of needs... Until it isn't. Oops, too late.
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EvidenceBasedQuack posted:I think the 'concern for waterfront properties' nails it. In my experience, green supporters and candidates (my politically inclined friends or I personally met) drive large cars/trucks and do little besides the occasional "we should protect the environment" musings. Especially if they ride fancy bikes, splandex-clad, at their local provincial/national parks. Or like birds. First wave environmentalism.
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Anyone seen a missing Supreme Court justice? https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/justice-clement-gascon-missing-1.5128783
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Yeah Can I preemptively blame Scott Moe?
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Health Services posted:Anyone seen a missing Supreme Court justice? Uh. Last seen today at 1:20pm. What an odd story. It’s gotta be threatening suicide or something, right?
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May 9, 2019 01:24
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Health Services posted:Anyone seen a missing Supreme Court justice? What the gently caress
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He's retiring from the SCC at 59-60 which is rather early. Likely has a serious health issue.
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James Baud posted:He's retiring from the SCC at 59-60 which is rather early. Likely has a serious health issue. Or he did some poo poo.
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Abrupt retirement plus sudden disappearance, yeah that's a man in some kind of trouble.
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The description from the police said he had a beard but the photos they showed on CBC didn't have one
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flakeloaf posted:Abrupt retirement plus sudden disappearance, yeah that's a man in some kind of trouble. It's brain trouble for sure. 
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May 9, 2019 03:18
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The problem isn't housing affordability, it's that you think you should be able to afford a house. As usual, the solution is simply an adjustment of perspective.quote:The head of Canada’s housing-market watchdog says this country places too much value in the dream of homeownership.
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People rent in Sydney? Possibly the most expensive housing market in the world? Really, I wonder why they choose to rent instead of buying??
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Postess with the Mostest posted:They aren't opinions, they're meticulously sourced facts. This is an opinion I feel like he answered his own question though.
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ARACHTION posted:Would someone remind me why the Greens are bad again?
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Albino Squirrel posted:The nuclear thing alone is sufficiently disqualifying to me. Eliminating fossil fuel-based power/transportation is probably impossible in this climate without nuclear power, and climate change is a much more pressing existential issue than ATOMZ. Is the NDP any less anti-nuke? Just less vocal about it?
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ARACHTION posted:Would someone remind me why the Greens are bad again? Most recently in BC, they confirmed they are anti-union by threatening to take down the government if they scrapped secret ballots for union certification. But generally, yeah, they're neoliberals who believe in climate change. Their policies will do little to address structural inequality and will therefore ironically fail to address the root cause of climate change.
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May 9, 2019 06:41
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Justice Gascon has been found, by the way. La Presse reports he turned up in an Ottawa hospital, but is otherwise okay.
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Alberta.tweet https://twitter.com/sarahcrgr/status/1126312783157628929?s=19
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They should've brought guillotines as well https://twitter.com/LukewSavage/status/1126495294244388865?s=19
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UnknownMercenary posted:They should've brought guillotines as well https://twitter.com/LukewSavage/status/1126495294244388865?s=19 They actually started singing a flawless rendition of “gently caress Tha Police”. They may not look scary but they’re gangsta as fuuuuuuuuck.
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who said journalism was deadquote:Why are we celebrating Red Army conquests in the streets of Toronto?
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UnknownMercenary posted:They should've brought guillotines as well https://twitter.com/LukewSavage/status/1126495294244388865?s=19 He thought they were clutching copies of Das Kapital.
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Postess with the Mostest posted:who said journalism was dead i guess this pasternak guy should stick to hockey!
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Back in Quebec; this poo poo continues to perdure. “It seems rather reasonable to lump primary school teachers in the same category as judges, prosecutors, prison guards and police”  (For the non Quebec people; this lady is an atheist of Algerian origin whose parents were hardcore communists there. She’s rabidly anti-Islam on the best of days ) “I’ve got an honorary PHD from the university of life in making GBS threads on muslims who aren’t atheist like me”  Enough PL-21 for one day Constable 728 takes on astrophysics the only way a Cop known for excessive brutality can.  “Prince Harry and his Princess Consort Meghan présent the 7th place in the order of succession to be the next face on our currency.” 
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ARACHTION posted:Would someone remind me why the Greens are bad again? the federal green party is mostly a vehicle to keep Elizabeth May in parliament and she has been their ineffectual leader for loving ever
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It is very easy to find a political party that makes some theoretically good sounding promises. The further from power any part is the easier it is for them to promise the moon to their supporters. The closer they get to power the more incentive they have to water down their promises, and the less ability voters have to monitor and potentially punish their chosen representatives. So the key question in politics is how you actually constitute a party in such a way that it doesn't drift into the centre once it becomes successful enough. The Greens don't really have any solution to that problem. In fact, the nature of their social base is such that even when they offer policies to the left of the NDP they are more likely to be supported by people with economic interests to the right of the average NDP voter. And while it's not worth much, I put more faith in the NDP's historical link to labour and the weak but still existent connections between labour unions and the NDP's staffers. I'm not sure if the NDP is currently worth supporting but if they aren't then that's doubly true of the other viable electoral parties.
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oh wow,  https://twitter.com/Svend4MP/status/1126021245810511872 https://twitter.com/Svend4MP/status/1126237228802306048 also, didn't Liz threaten to purge a bunch of people from the Green party for criticizing Israel that year too? what's going on lol Juul-Whip fucked around with this message at 19:59 on May 9, 2019 |
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This exchange tells you everything you need to know about the Green Party: https://twitter.com/GreenEconomyNow/status/1126243160890298368 https://twitter.com/Svend4MP/status/1126246590497247233 https://twitter.com/Jeff_Wheeldon/status/1126285043914223616 https://twitter.com/Jeff_Wheeldon/status/1126285627773915136 "we're not centrists, we just happen to be in the centre and think the truth is in the middle and everyone has some good ideas, but don't call us centrists!!!" e: for the record those aren't just random old Greens either, that last guy claims to be the Green Party's International Affairs Critic vyelkin fucked around with this message at 20:06 on May 9, 2019 |
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https://twitter.com/traceyram/status/1126228030869909504 Let's see if they back this talk up,
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Yeah, the NDP at least, on paper, has connections with unions and working people. The green's base are wealthy cabin owners who drive their hybrid SUV to whole foods to feel green and pure, young naive kids excited to vote for a fresh new party for the first time, and rural conspiracy theorist excited that someone is finally taking their concerns about wifi and fluoride seriously. The greens seem to have no care or connection with actual working class people or their problems. They just don't talk about or give a poo poo about stuff like worker's rights and protections, affordable housing, homelessness, renter protections, income disparity and so on. Even their actual environmental policies aren't that great or detailed. It's just super general good-sounding stuff and they never need to get into detail because they've never held any power. And they like to focus on the sort of "environmentalism" a rich suburban homeowner would agree with, like more street trees and green spaces in cities, tax cuts and subsidies for your next tesla, rebates for a solar system on your roof. Then when it comes to bigger stuff like region-wide land use policy which is a massive driver of greenhouse gas and transport costs, they shy away from talking about it or go full nimby. They're huge into decentralizing power, local government, which is generally code for letting rich folk run their neighbourhoods and towns like little gated communities. More Tesla's, not more buses and trains and bike lanes. Solar panels on the roofs of mansions, not dense walkable communities. Let the market sort things out like in nature, not unnatural socialist policies. Massive income inequality? Abusive workplaces? *crickets* or crazy "a green economy would make everyone rich!" claims. If the greens were suddenly just placed in Federal or Provincial power today I think we'd see a goverment practically identical to the Liberals but with some tax cuts and subsidies towards some well connected "green" corporations within their first couple terms. It would just be solar power or electric car companies rather then SNC Lavalin. Baronjutter fucked around with this message at 20:11 on May 9, 2019 |
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