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Hackan Slash
May 31, 2007
Hit it until it's not a problem anymore

Xelkelvos posted:

I already charged a meal or two to my GTCC already (besides the hotel cost) so idk.

I mean it's not the end of the world or anything but I just wouldn't do it in the future. For the aforementioned reason it's weird what gets flagged and also you don't get CC rewards. Free money!

I always laughed at the scenarios they had in the training for what's okay to use your govcc on. Pop quiz hotshot, your family came along on your business trip is it okay to put a pay per view children's movie on your govcc?

Hackan Slash fucked around with this message at 02:23 on Apr 9, 2019

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Dr. Quarex
Apr 18, 2003

I'M A BIG DORK WHO POSTS TOO MUCH ABOUT CONVENTIONS LOOK AT THIS

TOVA TOVA TOVA
I estimate I have received 100 e-mail messages related to how to properly use or update or process or alter my government travel card in my five years in government, and I have never once had a government travel card.

Some people complained that we did not have a per diem when we went to training since all meals were catered; I took the opposite tack and ate all the food forever and gained 25 pounds.

lwoodio
Apr 4, 2008

Hackan Slash posted:

Another protip is don't put anything on your govcc other than transportation method and hotel, because it's a scam.

What do you mean it's a scam?

Hackan Slash
May 31, 2007
Hit it until it's not a problem anymore

lwoodio posted:

What do you mean it's a scam?

Imagine you had a credit card that you were personally responsible for (It impacts your credit, you get sent the bill every month, and you're on the hook for the balance) but that your employer could see everything you put on it, you could get in trouble for buying the wrong stuff with it, it's not clear what the wrong stuff is, and you don't accrue any rewards for your purchases.

We had one new guy who didn't have a credit card use his to buy some ski's. He didn't try and get the government to reimburse him and paid them off in full, but he still got in trouble and the entire division had to take training.

Another example, let's say the hotel restaurant has an alcohol word like bar or pub in the name. You're working late and decide to eat dinner there and you don't even order a drink. That can get flagged and you'll have to fill out a form and prove your innocence.

There is basically no reason you'd want to put more charges than required on it, there's only possible downside to using it versus your personal credit card.

grenada
Apr 20, 2013
Relax.
Bottom line is that you should use your own card for per diem charges since the cash back is free money. Having the govt travel card is very annoying and does not make life easier for employees as far as I know.

sparkmaster
Apr 1, 2010
3'rding that a travel card can be a real bitch. There is zero reason to put any per diem expenses on it. Hell, you're probably better off getting a cash advance on your voucher (yes they still do that) before putting per diem expenses on your travel card.

Purchase cards aren't much better.

LCL-Dead
Apr 22, 2014

Grimey Drawer
As a GS-5 intern the command I worked for ferried me all over the drat country doing site surveys and meeting with prospective contractors.

Only things I ever put on the GCC were Flight/Hotel/Rental car. Like everyone's said, dealing with the paperwork if you get flagged, even if you're innocent, is a pain in the rear end. Especially so because in the .gov you're guilty until proven innocent and your accusers operate on a good-old-boy system that groups up like autistic 5 year olds when told they're wrong.

Not GCC related: I once got accused of installing The Division (AAA Video Game from Ubisoft) onto my .gov laptop. That's how stupid most of the government workforce is.

Artificer
Apr 8, 2010

You're going to try ponies and you're. Going. To. LOVE. ME!!
You got shuttled on meetings across the country as a GS5? Wow. That's rough.

Endless Mike
Aug 13, 2003



LCL-Dead posted:

Not GCC related: I once got accused of installing The Division (AAA Video Game from Ubisoft) onto my .gov laptop. That's how stupid most of the government workforce is.
This happens in private industry, too. I was at a happy hour last night and someone was talking about how they got in trouble for installing BitTorrent to their work computer, when they had installed Tor, which they need for work, and someone higher up didn't know the difference.

LCL-Dead
Apr 22, 2014

Grimey Drawer

Artificer posted:

You got shuttled on meetings across the country as a GS5? Wow. That's rough.

Never said the travel was rough, I enjoyed it, just never used the card for anything other than the three big ticket items that can't be singled out for a receipt debate. The only issue I ever had was the actual travel times towards the end, I was leaving on Monday's and coming home Friday's and without a working fax/scanner. The travel clerk ended up misplacing some of my paperwork and I ended up getting my GCC canceled mid-trip at one point because I owed something like $2800 that I was no way in hell coming out of pocket to pay.

Endless Mike posted:

This happens in private industry, too. I was at a happy hour last night and someone was talking about how they got in trouble for installing BitTorrent to their work computer, when they had installed Tor, which they need for work, and someone higher up didn't know the difference.

It just blew my mind. I was on my lunch break watching an E3 demo of The Division on my laptop, had it full screened and apparently somebody walked by and thought I was playing a video game. When I was confronted about it I explained that on these .gov machines it's literally impossible to run any kind of installation executable without admin permissions, which I didn't have. Even explained I was watching a video. Still got told to stop lying and just not play anymore games on my machine.

REMEMBER SPONGE MONKEYS
Oct 3, 2003

What do you think it means, bitch?
Anyone in with GSA? They just signed on to buy a system I work with every day, was hoping maybe I could see if something might come open.

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007



Hackan Slash posted:

Imagine you had a credit card that you were personally responsible for (It impacts your credit, you get sent the bill every month, and you're on the hook for the balance) but that your employer could see everything you put on it, you could get in trouble for buying the wrong stuff with it, it's not clear what the wrong stuff is, and you don't accrue any rewards for your purchases.

We had one new guy who didn't have a credit card use his to buy some ski's. He didn't try and get the government to reimburse him and paid them off in full, but he still got in trouble and the entire division had to take training.

Another example, let's say the hotel restaurant has an alcohol word like bar or pub in the name. You're working late and decide to eat dinner there and you don't even order a drink. That can get flagged and you'll have to fill out a form and prove your innocence.

There is basically no reason you'd want to put more charges than required on it, there's only possible downside to using it versus your personal credit card.

All loving accountants can loving hang.

wizardofloneliness
Dec 30, 2008

How the gently caress does anyone actually get a background check here? I got sent an email from Personnel Security to fill out an e-QIP questionnaire. Except it literally will not let me log in with the information they provided because it keeps saying my answers to the challenge questions (name, year and place of birth) are wrong. Now my account's locked for 30 minutes. I guess I'll wait and try one more time before I call them up wondering what the hell is going on. I usually try to be patient and considerate about these sorts of things, but this whole process has been such a pain in the rear end for me.

Beerdeer
Apr 25, 2006

Frank Herbert's Dude

Dr. S.O. Feelgood posted:

How the gently caress does anyone actually get a background check here? I got sent an email from Personnel Security to fill out an e-QIP questionnaire. Except it literally will not let me log in with the information they provided because it keeps saying my answers to the challenge questions (name, year and place of birth) are wrong. Now my account's locked for 30 minutes. I guess I'll wait and try one more time before I call them up wondering what the hell is going on. I usually try to be patient and considerate about these sorts of things, but this whole process has been such a pain in the rear end for me.

When they actually got around to starting mine it took a year before I could start.

wizardofloneliness
Dec 30, 2008

Beerdeer posted:

When they actually got around to starting mine it took a year before I could start.

Yeah, I've heard some crazy stories. Even the HR guy I talked to was just like "this place is insane and makes no sense." But I figured out why I couldn't log in at least. It was because they misspelled the name of the city I'm from, so my answer didn't match. Hahahaha.

Leviathan Song
Sep 8, 2010

Beerdeer posted:

When they actually got around to starting mine it took a year before I could start.

I submitted my reinvestigation 2 years and 7 months ago. They took 2 years to look at it and I still haven't gotten the results.

Elem7
Apr 12, 2003
der
Dinosaur Gum
Mostly what you see online is people asking or complaining about how long DoD clearances take but it's my understanding that non-DoD clearances of any significance take a lot longer due to being a lower priority. Thankfully most places will let you start before the investigations are done what they're usually waiting on is for everything to get gathered, agency staff to make sure there aren't any big red flags, then submitting it all to OPM and OPM to acknowledge receipt.

It's been over a year since I started at my job and I haven't heard a thing about it, judging from my co-workers experience I should expect to at least have a phone interview and since I haven't heard anything it's likely mine hasn't even started yet.

Dr. Quarex
Apr 18, 2003

I'M A BIG DORK WHO POSTS TOO MUCH ABOUT CONVENTIONS LOOK AT THIS

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Yeah I need a secret clearance for my current job that I have had since June, and they say they will probably start the process of my secret clearance investigation sometime this year. K, whatever works

Thesaurus
Oct 3, 2004


OPM seems like a poo poo show in many regards, and it'll be interesting to see how the current plan to abolish it works out. It sounds like the "replacement" is just haphazardly rolling functions into other agencies, so rather than reform the result will probably be even more disastrous.

JIZZ DENOUEMENT
Oct 3, 2012

STRIKE!
edit - issue resolved, have a puppy:



JIZZ DENOUEMENT fucked around with this message at 00:48 on Apr 14, 2019

Josh Lyman
May 24, 2009


Ban for anime

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.
I was at a conference and had an extremely productive set of conversations with people in my dream division of my dream office of my dream agency. I'm sending them my CV (at their request) tomorrow. The time of prayer begins.

REMEMBER SPONGE MONKEYS
Oct 3, 2003

What do you think it means, bitch?

Discendo Vox posted:

I was at a conference and had an extremely productive set of conversations with people in my dream division of my dream office of my dream agency. I'm sending them my CV (at their request) tomorrow. The time of prayer begins.

Awesome, good luck!

LCL-Dead
Apr 22, 2014

Grimey Drawer
Told we're hiring two new people and I'll need to train them.

Lazy logistics asst. lead from completely different competency decides to hijack one of the hires as her own to make them do her engine logistics job despite multiple supervisors getting on her for stealing manpower from other departments.

Supers notified because this bitch needs to gooooo. Fun should commence soon.

Discendo Vox posted:

I was at a conference and had an extremely productive set of conversations with people in my dream division of my dream office of my dream agency. I'm sending them my CV (at their request) tomorrow. The time of prayer begins.

Fingers crossed for you.

Ignatius M. Meen
May 26, 2011

Hello yes I heard there was a lovely trainwreck here and...

i've survived my first tax season intact

no idea what will happen to the 50+ people who didn't make it to accounts next week though

TheMadMilkman
Dec 10, 2007

Ignatius M. Meen posted:

i've survived my first tax season intact

Which service center are you in?

Ignatius M. Meen
May 26, 2011

Hello yes I heard there was a lovely trainwreck here and...

TheMadMilkman posted:

Which service center are you in?

district is kc, not actually in the service center though, just on the toll-free line

sullat
Jan 9, 2012

Ignatius M. Meen posted:

i've survived my first tax season intact

no idea what will happen to the 50+ people who didn't make it to accounts next week though

You were doing tax law your first season?

Ignatius M. Meen
May 26, 2011

Hello yes I heard there was a lovely trainwreck here and...

sullat posted:

You were doing tax law your first season?

naw, just accounts. didn't even get proper balance due training to go with it

Dr. Quarex
Apr 18, 2003

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TOVA TOVA TOVA
Dang, I barely know what to do with 4 months of raise all at once. I could nearly cover my usual grocery bill with all that extra money!

Edit: Though it did come on the heels of me unexpectedly getting the long-promised-and-assumed-not-ever-happening settlement from the arbitration agreement between the union and my last office. Money is money, right, no matter how much more it should have been

Terror Ninja
Oct 23, 2008
The extra few hundred was a let down but yeah money is money. :fivecbux:

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.
You have got to be kidding me, this latest online test for this position is rejecting the login pass and ID. It's the same ones as all the previous tests! I'm entering it manually! I spent a week reading accounting books! I spent an hour fiddling with browser settings and installing new browsers to pass the copatibility tests! The Help link goes to an improperly formatted 404 page! The deadline is tomorrow at midnight! What the gently caress do I do now?!

edit: I don't believe it- of the five emails they've sent about this test, one (and not the most recent) has a link to a working site on a completely different system from all the others. All the other emails have an incorrect address linked.

Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 00:22 on Apr 29, 2019

Loucks
May 21, 2007

It's incwedibwe easy to suck my own dick.

Discendo Vox posted:

You have got to be kidding me, this latest online test for this position is rejecting the login pass and ID. It's the same ones as all the previous tests! I'm entering it manually! I spent a week reading accounting books! I spent an hour fiddling with browser settings and installing new browsers to pass the copatibility tests! The Help link goes to an improperly formatted 404 page! The deadline is tomorrow at midnight! What the gently caress do I do now?!

edit: I don't believe it- of the five emails they've sent about this test, one (and not the most recent) has a link to a working site on a completely different system from all the others. All the other emails have an incorrect address linked.

I can't speak for all agencies, but often the best strategy is to reach out to the hiring POC. I've had this sort of issue twice in the past. Both times it was rectified with a gentle "What the hell?" to the staffing specialist, who both times was at fault due entering my data incorrectly / not at all into the system in question.

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007



Here's the secret: like all government employees, the people involved in recruitment and onboarding get paid the same whether they successfully do their jobs or not.

Evil SpongeBob
Dec 1, 2005

Not the other one, couldn't stand the other one. Nope nope nope. Here, enjoy this bird.
Maybe the test was you figuring out how to get to the test. You're hired!

heated game moment
Oct 30, 2003

Lipstick Apathy
I know this is old news, but god drat it sucks waiting for a month+ to find out if you even BQd for a promotion

It's every year...6 months of wondering if there will be any higher graded positions, 3 months of waiting after they are confirmed but before they are announced, then 3 months to apply, get ranked, and maybe interview. And it will probably always be like this. I'm skipping over what is arguably the most important part for many people, which is when the jobs are finally announced, where will they be located, because I'm mobile and will move wherever I need to go but still.

heated game moment fucked around with this message at 00:02 on May 11, 2019

REMEMBER SPONGE MONKEYS
Oct 3, 2003

What do you think it means, bitch?
What’s the longest here to even get a job? I’m at 27 months with no word in about 2 months again now :doh:

heated game moment
Oct 30, 2003

Lipstick Apathy

REMEMBER SPONGE MONKEYS posted:

What’s the longest here to even get a job? I’m at 27 months with no word in about 2 months again now :doh:

I've heard of 3-4 years at my agency, people apply then there is a hiring freeze or something but they stay in the pool. Definitely not typical although I imagine that varies a lot with agency and position.

Mush Mushi
Sep 9, 2007

incels interlinked posted:

For anyone with an accounting background: Over 400 IRS revenue agent jobs opened today, they journey at the grade 12 level now too.

I accepted a tentative offer from this posting. They gave us 3 days to sign, but before accepting I also requested a review of the starting step based on my qualifications, which is apparently in process now. Got a surprisingly fast response from HR on that request. Not getting my hopes too high with no prior fed experience but we’ll see! I wouldn’t have asked if I didn’t think I qualified.

Presumably I’m in for another awkward waiting period between now and receiving a firm offer. Doing my best to stay calm until that day, but I’m pretty excited for the job. The long and uncertain waits made me realize how much I wanted it. I have other open applications with LB&I and CI, but there’s something really appealing about joining a giant class of new agents and going to national training.

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Dr. Quarex
Apr 18, 2003

I'M A BIG DORK WHO POSTS TOO MUCH ABOUT CONVENTIONS LOOK AT THIS

TOVA TOVA TOVA

REMEMBER SPONGE MONKEYS posted:

What’s the longest here to even get a job? I’m at 27 months with no word in about 2 months again now :doh:
As Incels Interlinked said, well, it can be longer, but 27 months in a process where you actually have heard anything is indeed pretty long. Congratulations, you might be into "outlier status even in the infamously-long federal hiring process" territory, particularly if there was no hiring freeze or anything at your agency!

Also I do not want to remember Sponge Monkeys :mad:



Hey anyone hiring for GS-1 remote positions

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