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Colonel Whitey posted:I liked Dany's heel turn, just not how they built up to it. The books are going to be good (in my head because they aren't coming out) Nah, Brandon Sanderson will finish them up
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Anyone catch that Varys snuck his rings into some cups before he was arrested? Possible poisoning?
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The Glumslinger posted:ALso, I'm just glad that we saw a bunch of Wildfire explosions, I thought they had just forgotten about all of it Probably the best part of the entire episode
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Ovenmaster posted:It's an insane act, but that doesn't mean there isn't some form of logic behind it (even if it's clouded in rage-induced rationalization), or that she's literally insane now. She's not appointing a horse as her advisor and banning the use of pants in the Seven Kingdoms next episode, sorry guys. Well she can't appoint a horse if Arya's already ridden it out of town.
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Delthalaz posted:I’m surprised and I guess happy that so many people seem to have enjoyed Black Sails a lot more than I did. Whatever floats your boat I guess. I was really offended by that angle because Flint was a huge murdering piece of poo poo and it came across to me as a cynical move to make the audience care about him. When they killed off Vane for no real reason (Flint had been rescued from a worse scenario but and Vane was just like “i must die now to give the people motivation”) I from way back but Flint's motivations make absolute sense and yes, he should be a grey zone anti hero, even if your spoiler wasn't involved his feelings towards the British Empire make all the sense in the world. people don't need to be glossy haired good guys for you to enjoy watching their travails or even for you to enjoy rooting for them, it's a complicated story not a passion play or fairy tale Black Sails is good after the first seasons and the first season problems actually make a bunch of sense in retrospect, they weren't making this stuff up as they went along. It's clever and good writing for the most part.
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LinYutang posted:Anyone catch that Varys snuck his rings into some cups before he was arrested? Possible poisoning? No, that's just him coming to terms with his imminent death.
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Ovenmaster posted:It's an insane act, but that doesn't mean there isn't some form of logic behind it (even if it's clouded in rage-induced rationalization), or that she's literally insane now. She's not appointing a horse as her advisor and banning the use of pants in the Seven Kingdoms next episode, sorry guys. Don't drag Glitterhoof into this trainwreck
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May 13, 2019 20:11
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S8E5 - The long awaited TV adaptation of Trogdor
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May 13, 2019 20:14
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The Glumslinger posted:Nah, Brandon Sanderson will finish them up I've liked Sanderson's writing quite a bit. I feel like if the books don't wrap up in GRRM's lifetime some other big deal fantasy writer will step in to finish them, they're too much of a big deal now to leave unfinished. The most likely outcome is GRRM hangs out another 20-30 years and it takes about 20 years for the series to finish.
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Azhais posted:Don't drag Glitterhoof into this trainwreck Arya's horse will make such a great councilor though.
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May 13, 2019 20:15
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I do enjoy some people who think the criticism of Dany's psychopathic rampage comes from a love of the character and how she's been ruined and cant be MY QUEEN anymore. I have always thought she was a tyrant who probably shouldnt rule, that she could be too cruel to her enemies and way too unreasonable to ever rule over Westeros which has so many different Houses that need careful management, that the quest for the throne at times came before anything else and she felt like it was her BIRTH RIGHT that therefore made her just as bad as any other king or queen before her. I liked her good qualities, and she had some, she cares deeply about those around her, she was against the traditional rape and pillage of war as she saw she had a duty to protect her subjects and future subjects, that she cared about the common folk she was liberating etc as she went from city to city, that she truly believed that she would unite everyone under one banner and stop all future wars so there would be no more suffering. These are all idealistic goals, but they have a hint of madness there as it was fuelled by a believe that she and only she could achieve this and anyone who couldnt see that was against her and should probably be removed. But her downfall and short comings as a queen were always laid bare, her often inability to show mercy to her enemies for example (is that a quality that any other character apart from Ned and Jon has though? I'm not sure) and even as a ruler when she frees the slaves and then moves on expecting them to govern themselves and things to start being all peachy now shes done her part, it showed a naivety of the world and it's expected from a character that grew up with her mad brother telling her their family were destined to rule and they were the only ones who could etc. Before the massacre and the straight up insanity she's now fallen into, I think if Jon didnt exist, and he's such an outlier out of everyone in the show he's basically Jesus, there are very few people with any sort of power that would probably had done a better job than her. Maybe Tyrion? But he was shown to really not care about the slaves in Essos or Mereen I cant remember which, he would have certainty been more diplomatic than Dany. And it's possible that to be an effective King or Queen in that world you need to be a bit tyrannical without being a full on psychopath. Robert was deemed a good king because he had 9 years of peace under his belt, but he had people working for him like the Mountain etc who committed some pretty awful acts in his name. I do think that the idea of her on the throne isnt a great one, and i'm happy she wont be queen, but she was never an evil villain. Without the Targ madness, could an argument be made that if she hadnt have destroyed King's landing as she did and instead just took out Cersei and sat on the Iron Throne, she'd have ruled a peaceful dynasty? With everyone united under her rule and the common folk enjoying the most peace they've had in a long long time? She wouldnt have allowed the rapes and pillaging that the many houses did of each others lands in civils wars etc, wouldnt have employed the Mountain or people of his ilk. She would have controlled the Houses with an iron fist sure, she'll burn you or your army if you try anything, but maybe that's what it takes in that world.
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May 13, 2019 20:16
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Guze posted:Bran looks into the camera, lowers his rad sunglasses, reveals blue eyes and winks. I would respect this so much.
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May 13, 2019 20:18
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TyrantWD posted:Some random nobles had no power to change the system. Even Danerys with 3 dragons, the unsullied, and the second sons couldn't change the system. it's because she didn't kill all the former slave holders. she tried to compromise.
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May 13, 2019 20:19
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Rick posted:I would respect this so much. It only works for me if there's the Thriller laugh at the end.
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May 13, 2019 20:19
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Just Chamber posted:Those regular-rear end soliders are likely the type who would kill innocents if given the chance, war brings those people out all the time, it's an element of human nature that sadly some people have in them. This is also a good summation of where show Ramsay is different to book Ramsay. In the book he's exactly the type you describe here, a piece of violent detritus that floats to the surface when law and order collapse. In any normal time he'd have been stomped on as soon as he reared his ugly head.
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May 13, 2019 20:19
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Stannis the Mannis was too good for this poo poo show.
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May 13, 2019 20:20
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Groovelord Neato posted:i dunno season 5-7 were mostly boring bad and now it's off the wall ridiculous bad and it's far more entertaining. This is the best take. Spectacular stupidity is the best kind of stupidity. 5-7 (and a good chunk of 4) were much worse than this, from a "is it worth it to spend an hour of my life watching this" perspective.
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Shot: https://twitter.com/madisynnunan/status/1127767730566754304?s=19 Chaser: https://twitter.com/Dee_Uh_Kill_Ee/status/1127904723225468928?s=19
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The pacing's wearing a little on me, honestly. Plus in the attempt to make everything seem bleaker than prior seasons (which weren't exactly bright and cheery anyway) the photography has gotten very drab.
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I believe a good summation of Danaerys is "When you have a hammer, everything looks like a nail." Just replace "hammer" with "giant fire-breathing dragons".
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May 13, 2019 20:23
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Just Chamber posted:She wouldnt have allowed the rapes and pillaging that the many houses did of each others lands in civils wars etc, wouldnt have employed the Mountain or people of his ilk.
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May 13, 2019 20:25
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out of all the battle scenes this show has had, the only time we had siege equipment it was used defensively and set up outside of walls like what was the plan last night if the dragon didn't work out
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May 13, 2019 20:26
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tino posted:Stannis the Mannis was too good for this poo poo show. gently caress Stannis forever Shireen 
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She’s become something of a cultural icon so it was rather brave of them to flush that well known positive image down the can
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Bregor posted:gently caress Stannis forever people wanna talk about character assasination look no further than season 5
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May 13, 2019 20:28
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Aaron Rodgers was an extra on last nights episode playing one of the soldiers.
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Just Chamber posted:Those regular-rear end soliders are likely the type who would kill innocents if given the chance, war brings those people out all the time, it's an element of human nature that sadly some people have in them. Lol no, regular-rear end soldiers do that poo poo because they start believing that they're all the enemy and deserve it anyway. That brutality is okay against the enemy because the enemy deserves it and all of a sudden the definition of "enemy" becomes easier to meet.
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tooterfish posted:Her army is a core of brainwashed fanatic child soldiers, supported by a horde of notoriously rapey slavers and a literal walking WMD. She didnt brainwashed them, she gave them a chance to go and be free, they chose to serve under her because she freed them and was freeing millions of people in cities as she went. Those "rapey slavers" were no more rapey than any other army in Westeros. As shown by Jon's soldiers going on a rape spree in Kings Landing. Owning a dragon does not make her bad, or evil etc, especially if she uses the dragon to destroy armies any more than someone who invented the first cannon used that against their enemies. Turning those cannons on civilians makes her evil.
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grack posted:I believe a good summation of Danaerys is "When you have a hammer, everything looks like a nail." Just replace "hammer" with "giant fire-breathing dragons". Conquest is easy, ruling and stable regimine change is hard. Really this show low key advocates that war is horrific and spills misery over all, while interpersonal trechery, betrayal, and targeted assassination preserve stability and pave the way to peace. tl;dr no ISIS if we just set up one of Saddam's less sadistic sons to replace him and shot him with the CIA brain aneurysm ray
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Bregor posted:gently caress Stannis forever And this one was an explicit plot point from GRRM.
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Admiral Ray posted:And this one was an explicit plot point from GRRM. Book Mel is gonna burn Shireen on her own without permission while Stannis is of fighting a war. it's kind of a big difference
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This happens to a lot of characters inexplicably in TV shows. It's a drat trope. They start caring only about the "idea of people." Some nebulous concept like "saving American lives." It's not about actual individuals or really helping people it's about the person's ego. Because what lives? What future generations? Who are these people? They don't actually exist, it's just an idea that the character holds onto to justify the horrible things they do and allow to happen. Mix that with grief, people knowing Jon is The True Heir, Sansa working against her (because Sansa sees her for what she is), not understanding how local politics works (despite many people trying to explain and who are subsequently threatened with burning), thinking everyone is a slave who yearns for freedom and also will obey her automatically after she "frees" and "helps" them, thinking the King's Landingites support Cersei for not rebelling just because she showed up and declared herself Queen or Everyone Dies (exactly what Cersei did), her great plan of "breaking the wheel" aka burning everyone who isn't immediately loyal and a dragon who prolly sees humans as ants. The Children of the Forest were absolutely right to create The White Walkers and use them against humanity. The Good Guys lost at The Battle of Winterfell.
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I'm a little cheesed off that the climax of Game of Thrones boils down to "bitches be crazy, amirite?"
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Loved the episode. I thought it was stunning visually and overall thought it was phenomenal, and I haven't been that speechless after an episode during the credit roll since Hardhome. And I have basically hated every other episode this season. I only have a few minor nitpicks: - Scorpion accuracy. This wouldn't be a problem but is since they were shown to be no-scope headshot sniper rifles last episode. - Euron appearing out of nowhere by himself super conveniently to fight Jaime. - Euron running Jaime through on two separate occasions, and Jaime just walking it off. I thought I was watching Monty Python for a second. Alright, let's call it a draw. - The red keep not having a single scorpion mounted on it. - Where the gently caress did all of the Dothraki come from?? I mean, that's probably it. The rest I could just let go and enjoy. I think my favorite part was I love how everyone in this thread is trying to pair up who fights who and who gets the killing blow, and this episode was like "nope, you have a castle keep fall on you, and you over there, you get your head mashed into a wall. Oh, and that army we kept talking about... yeah they die by dragon fire to the back and you never hear from them again, kind of like the Dothraki." The horror of seeing Dany just doing strafing run after run across the city and torching everything that moves was disturbing as gently caress, and I honestly can't believe D&D actually did that. I figured there was going to be some lazy deus ex machina similar to Arya's killing blow on the NK. I think that was the most shocking part of the episode for me. It basically is setting up everyone vs the Mad Queen next episode. For every other episode, I basically agree with this thread's sentiments, but gently caress y'all, this episode was great and I loved it.
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Crimpolioni posted:Book Mel is gonna burn Shireen on her own without permission while Stannis is of fighting a war. it's kind of a big difference What? All the articles I've read about it have Stannis doing it.
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This show basically wasted what could have been a seasons worth of awesome juicy drama involving Westeros not being keen to Danys rule and the dissemination of Jons true lineage being a catalyst to that while Dany grew madder and madder as her rule became unmanageable. Like maybe shed struggle with the disdain from the public of KL/Lords of Westeros bred by Varys that leads to a Baratheon style rebellion to usurp her throne which finally breaks her and leads to her snapping thus burning KL to the ground as the ultimate act of "well gently caress you too then". Just like her father, thus more sensibly framing her turn as The Mad Queen. Then have it end however the show is going to end next week. Instead they wrote this dramatic turn of events with the finesse and complexity of a WWE storyline.
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grack posted:I believe a good summation of Danaerys is "When you have a hammer, everything looks like a nail." Just replace "hammer" with "giant fire-breathing dragons". If Jon Snow doesn't taunt her with hiding behind her dragon, I will feel cheated.
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Guze posted:Just keep a loving secret Jon. Jon Snow isn't in line for the throne like Aegon. I really hope some character will point out that even though Jon's lineage might be different he's still very much the son of Ned Stark, seeing that it's his stupid honesty that destroys everything. He can't keep a secret, he can't reassure his lover, he can't even say "hey let's rule together" or some poo poo when she's most vulnerable and needs support.
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Jarmak posted:Lol no, regular-rear end soldiers do that poo poo because they start believing that they're all the enemy and deserve it anyway. That brutality is okay against the enemy because the enemy deserves it and all of a sudden the definition of "enemy" becomes easier to meet. I get what you're saying that you can be caught up in the frenzy of the moment, and brainwashed into believing those you are killing are subhuman etc, but i guarantee those men who did those things were prone to that sort of behaviour prior to any sort of battle. Plus how is it keeping in tone with the character of Dany as she decides to burn fleeing women and children of a surrendered city? She can't just be excused as caught up in the moment as she's shown carefully watching and contemplating her decision before hand, it isnt like shes burning military targets and not caring if she hits some people along the way.
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