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mastershakeman posted:Yeah it's hard to justify Aryas 20 minutes in that episode without thinking she's not involved next week but hey that's got If you believe D&D in the after credits interview they state that they put Arya in those bits to give us a character we care about in peril instead of just random peasants and soldiers. After about the second fakeout though I totally stopped thinking she was in any danger though.
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May 14, 2019 14:15
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They should have used Davos. Then I would have been worried the character may have actually been able to die.
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May 14, 2019 14:16
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The Unnamed One posted:Also: the show wants to establish Jon is more popular than Dany, but with the way things were done there’s no way that’s true outside of the North. This would have made a good final season. After S8 could have been the war with the dead and it would consume most of Westeros. The houses and Lords continue to join Jon and Dany as they keep getting pushed back. Ultimately they defeat the NK and Jon and Dany are seen as equally responsible for winning the war. The conflict of Jon’s reveal to Dany is spread out throughout a season and Varys/Tyrions’ plotting can be given room to grow. The final shorter season is then about taking KL and defeating the Lannister’s, GC, and anyone else that joined them while also playing the politics of who exactly should end up in the throne. 2 seasons of constant conflict where Dany is at odds with Jon while also having no choice but to rely and count on him to get through it while she faces some very big losses (Jorah, Missandei, Rhaegal) can help her descent to madness more natural.
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May 14, 2019 14:17
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The Unnamed One posted:Also: the show wants to establish Jon is more popular than Dany, but with the way things were done there’s no way that’s true outside of the North. This show doesn't care about those places anymore except as parsels to be doled out for secondary characters to have their names attached to. By all means most of the realm should be knee deep in snow and nearing starvation but it looked balmy and calm in KL until the dragon fired them up so best just not to think about it. The realm = KL, Dragonstone, and the North. That's it. CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:Most people I have talked to think Arya will kill Dany It does seem like Arya will be the one to do it; her seeing the devastation of King's Landing and the loss of innocent life as part of rediscovering her own humanity can't be for nothing, but I can certainly see them playing her off into the sunset without doing anything else important. I would speculate that maybe Arya, wearing Jon's face, is the one who kills Dany and Jon ends up taking the blame anyway because he wants to protect his sister and it's an excuse not to take the crown, but I don't think Arya can copy living people so. There's just so many ways d&d can gently caress it up.
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May 14, 2019 14:19
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They're gonna play up Arya being the one to do it and have Jon actually kill her as a "shocking twist." Might even do a stupid fake out where they show Arya's face reacting to it before they reveal it was Jon.
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May 14, 2019 14:21
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Solice Kirsk posted:They should have used Davos. Then I would have been worried the character may have actually been able to die. Make them suddenly remember Davos’s wife and he’s trying to find her.
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May 14, 2019 14:25
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Dany's fear about Jon isnt misplaced. He has a legitimate claim to the throne and is a good leader who is well liked by people (other than that one time his own guys killed him), has a miraculous / supernatural origin story, and is a good fighter. No, the people in Dorne have no idea who he is, but hes clearly a credible rival for the throne whether he wants to be or not
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May 14, 2019 14:25
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It's 100% Jon based on the leak descriptionsquote:The tone of it is very tragic. It's kind of like she's completely consumed by madness and he's saying how much he loves her and he's loyal to her, then he stabs her when he gets close enough. It's obviously traumatizing for him to do because he does love her. This is actually the one thing I hope they keep in the books, and it wouldn't surprise me if that's where they got it from. Obviously, the show didn't do a good job of getting to this endpoint in a way that makes sense for the characters, so it feels sudden and unearned, but I could see the books pulling it off.
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May 14, 2019 14:28
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terrorist ambulance posted:Dany's fear about Jon isnt misplaced. He has a legitimate claim to the throne and is a good leader who is well liked by people (other than that one time his own guys killed him), has a miraculous / supernatural origin story, and is a good fighter. No, the people in Dorne have no idea who he is, but hes clearly a credible rival for the throne whether he wants to be or not They should have shown that in the show. Maybe have that new prince of Dorne teleport to Winterfell and get along better with Jon or maybe use Yara again and have her going from supporting Dany to being best buds with Jon. Something to establish that Jon is liked by people outside the North and how that puts Dany's claim in danger of not being supported.
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May 14, 2019 14:29
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Imagined posted:If you believe D&D in the after credits interview they state that they put Arya in those bits to give us a character we care about in peril instead of just random peasants and soldiers. Right. Assuming the spoilers are right, though, we just watched best assassin Arya, who dedicated her life to revenge, spend 20 minutes seeing Innocents being burned to death or crushed by rubble and she's going to do absolutely nothing in revenge
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May 14, 2019 14:32
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radlum posted:They should have shown that in the show. Maybe have that new prince of Dorne teleport to Winterfell and get along better with Jon or maybe use Yara again and have her going from supporting Dany to being best buds with Jon. Something to establish that Jon is liked by people outside the North and how that puts Dany's claim in danger of not being supported. But wouldn't it save room for more action sequences if they just skipped all that and didn't bother justifying it?
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May 14, 2019 14:33
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Jon kills Dany. Takes the black. EPILOGUE. Jon in the ruins of castle black. Takes off his face. It’s actually Arya. Also Bran is there. He says “now we can begin”. His eyes begin to glow blue. Ghost is behind both of them.
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May 14, 2019 14:36
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Last shot, Bran is looking out at his loyal subjects and he turns to the camera a la Frank Underwood. "When you play the game of thrones, you win or you die." He winks. Cut to black.
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May 14, 2019 14:37
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I'm assuming Arya would be able to take Jon's face since he's died before 🤷🏾♀️
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May 14, 2019 14:37
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How many castles are just sitting empty in this dumb show? Dragonstone was empty until Dany moved in at the beginning of season 7 (and then left it again until recently). Cersei was going to give Bronn Riverrun (Edmure Tully is still alive but homeless, I guess) until Tyrion/Jaime said they'd give him Highgarden. No one knew if anyone was living at Storm's End so Dany gave it to Gendry. The Twins are empty because Arya killed all the Freys. Now that I think about it, the Twins would be perfect for Bronn. It's two castles (two is better than one) plus the whole point of it is the ability to extract a price for allowing people to cross the Trident. That's perfect for a cutthroat.
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May 14, 2019 14:39
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Arya choosing to let go of her personal vengeance, going through like half an hour of the horror Dany is causing to the common folk, looking up at the dragon that is the instrument of said horror and then getting on the magically spawned Horse of Obvious Death Symbolism is clearly setting her up to kill Danny. All of which means they'll subvert our expectations by having someone else do it.
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May 14, 2019 14:41
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What I expected: Winterfell: Sansa Dorne: lol The Twins: Bronn Casterly Rock : Tyrion's corpse The Vale: "who again" Highgarden : Sam (let's be real gilly would be doing the actual ruling). I doubt any but sansa will be true.
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May 14, 2019 14:43
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Edmure Tully will get Riverrun in ten years when Tyrion happens to find him in a cell at Casterly Rock when he's home for the holidays.
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May 14, 2019 14:45
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bloom posted:Arya choosing to let go of her personal vengeance, going through like half an hour of the horror Dany is causing to the common folk, looking up at the dragon that is the instrument of said horror and then getting on the magically spawned Horse of Obvious Death Symbolism is clearly setting her up to kill Danny. I feel like they really shot themselves in the foot with Arya killing the Night King. Like what you're saying makes total sense, but because Arya already killed an important person this season, they can't have her do it.
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May 14, 2019 14:50
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Nail Rat posted:Last shot, Bran is looking out at his loyal subjects and he turns to the camera a la Frank Underwood. "When you play the game of thrones, you win or you die." He winks. Cut to black. He says "All hail king no one" You'd think the people who assume Arya is going to kill Dany would wonder then why Arya didn't also kill Cersei.
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May 14, 2019 14:57
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I loved Arya killing the NK, but besides a couple of mentions in episode 4, no one has talked about it. She killed the big bad, the monster that was gonna destroy Westeros and no one talks about it. Not even Jon who was really into the whole "the dead are coming" thing.
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May 14, 2019 14:58
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May 14, 2019 14:58
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Variety ranked all episodes of Game of Thrones (excluding the finale). https://variety.com/2019/tv/features/game-of-thrones-episodes-ranked-1203212161/
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May 14, 2019 15:05
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Avalerion posted:Arya will kill Danny’s last dragon. Would make more sense tbh, she did get a fancy stick and surprise sticks are shown to be supereffective against dragens and she already mastered teleporting in offscreen.
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May 14, 2019 15:05
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Zedd posted:What I expected: Sweetrobin will bring glory back to House Arryn, bringing a thousand years of milk and prosperity.
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May 14, 2019 15:08
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clown shoes posted:Variety ranked all episodes of Game of Thrones (excluding the finale). They go five episodes before getting to anything from the last two seasons, list already invalidated. edit: wow, they have 4 of the season 8 episodes in the top 22. This is a poo poo list.
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May 14, 2019 15:14
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The reaction to the episode over the internet is everything i hoped for
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May 14, 2019 15:14
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clown shoes posted:Variety ranked all episodes of Game of Thrones (excluding the finale). 2 season 8 episodes in the top 10. Yes A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms was good but lol at Battle of Winterfell as number 5
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May 14, 2019 15:14
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Zedd posted:Would make more sense tbh, she did get a fancy stick and surprise sticks are shown to be supereffective against dragens and she already mastered teleporting in offscreen. Arya teleporting behind drogon the dragon and stabbing it in the neck would be gloriously stupid. Bonus points if the dragon is flying when she does it.
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May 14, 2019 15:15
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jisforjosh posted:2 season 8 episodes in the top 10. Yes A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms was good but lol at Battle of Winterfell as number 5 A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms was good, but it's not THAT good.
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May 14, 2019 15:22
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clown shoes posted:Variety ranked all episodes of Game of Thrones (excluding the finale). This list, somewhat inadvertently, reminded me of how tightly plotted and memorable so many episodes and scenes from season 1 were, and I feel like we never did get that level of narrative cleanliness again.
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May 14, 2019 15:22
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clown shoes posted:Variety ranked all episodes of Game of Thrones (excluding the finale). That sure is a list, a lot of good rankings but then shite eps sprinkled throughout.
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May 14, 2019 15:22
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clown shoes posted:Variety ranked all episodes of Game of Thrones (excluding the finale). lol that list couldn’t be more wrong
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May 14, 2019 15:24
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Season 6 is overrated.
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May 14, 2019 15:27
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I think it’s just that season 5 was real boring so season 6 was a nice refreshing breath of...mild air?
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May 14, 2019 15:31
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radlum posted:They should have shown that in the show. Maybe have that new prince of Dorne teleport to Winterfell and get along better with Jon or maybe use Yara again and have her going from supporting Dany to being best buds with Jon. Something to establish that Jon is liked by people outside the North and how that puts Dany's claim in danger of not being supported. It wouldn't have really added anything. It's just information unless you add dramatic stakes to it. Jon's already gotten along with a lot of people and amassed a lot of allies along the way. It's pretty clear the guy can pull it off and that people think he's leadership material. It's about his ability, not how many allies he has at any given moment. Pedro De Heredia fucked around with this message at 15:47 on May 14, 2019 |
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May 14, 2019 15:42
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mastershakeman posted:Right. Assuming the spoilers are right, though, we just watched best assassin Arya, who dedicated her life to revenge, spend 20 minutes seeing Innocents being burned to death or crushed by rubble and she's going to do absolutely nothing in revenge Ahh yes but Sandor said "don't be like me" at the last minute so therefore
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May 14, 2019 15:43
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Pedro De Heredia posted:It wouldn't have really added anything. It's just information. It's still kind of weird for Dany to be all "nobody likes me  " like 3 weeks after landing at Westeros (and gaining all these loyal allies including the exact person she is jealous of).Jon being loved inside Winterfell by people he's fought beside for years shouldn't affect her as much as him attracting other nobles to his cause.
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May 14, 2019 15:49
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Zohar posted:She isn't Caligula mad. The basic reason is spelled out pretty clearly: everyone prefers Jon to her and she needs to make herself feared. She decides to do that in a pretty spectacular way, and is clearly not portrayed as mentally well, but it's in no way monkey-cheese random - just paranoia and narcissism. The "fear it is" line is definitely supposed to pave the way for everything she does in the latter half of the episode, but it's just not enough. It can't support the weight of her actions; it's "load-bearing drywall".
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