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Mors Rattus
Oct 25, 2007

FATAL & Friends
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It was “my unnamed roommate did it. On my computer.”

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Ettin
Oct 2, 2010

Nickoten posted:

The crazy thing is he already admitted that the account was named after Shannon Appelcline. I believe it was on the Kickstarter sometime before the Mandy stuff came out? Fact check me on the source because I can’t remember exactly where it was he addressed all that. I suppose his nuanced explanation must be that he intentionally named an account after that specific person but that doesn’t mean he used it to pretend to be them.

On RPGnet he claimed it was a friend using his computer. Later on RPGPub he posted this:

quote:

So, this is from forever ago and everybody should probably have found it googling but here you go:

A fellow gamer in Los Angeles (who does not want to be harassed and so does not want their name mentioned) had a reddit account long before I did.

They posted totally mundane game opinions there. They did not use their account to talk up my work as has been claimed, nor did they ever claim to be Shannon Appelcline (RPGnet owner) or post in a way that could remotely be mistaken for Shannon. These things are recorded, you don’t have to trust me.

Why did they pick that screen name? Well, since Shannon Appelcline was responsible for so much of the harassment I and the rest of my game group experienced over the years, when they were picking a name I was like “SAppelcline” and they were like “Ha! Yeah!” the way you might name your dog Nixon. Lots of people have screen names like “illary Clinton” etc. It was a joke at my harassers expense, but not an attempt at impersonation.

Once in a while I’d be like “Are you on Reddit? Can you ask about….” something. Until I got eventually my own account.

The night my video game came out, this person was at my house. We were watching a movie on one computer and watching Reddit explode with harassment of me and Sarah Horrocks (my trans co author) on the other.

My friend and I were commenting and fact-checking the smear campaign Hill and the other Something Awful commenters were launching (within like hours of my game coming out) and passing the laptop back and forth.

There you go.

So it wasn't him pretending to be Shannon Appelcline, it was a friend who named the account after Shannon Appelcline on Zak's suggestion and made posts on Zak's behalf on Zak's computer. This is better because

Kai Tave
Jul 2, 2012
Fallen Rib
It blows my mind that this goober has an actual fan following. Everything he says and does is the dumbest poo poo ever but people trip over themselves to tell him how cool he is.

Darwinism
Jan 6, 2008


What a zany set of coinkydinks, well that reassures me that there could never have been ill intent - god bless that brave anonymous friend for wanting Zak to set the record straight that Zak is 1000% innocent

DocBubonic
Mar 11, 2003

Tempora mutantur, et nos mutamur in illis

Kai Tave posted:

It blows my mind that this goober has an actual fan following. Everything he says and does is the dumbest poo poo ever but people trip over themselves to tell him how cool he is.

I can believe that he still has a following. Some people probably like his "style" and then decided to believe everything Zak says. Anyone saying anything bad about him must be lying or having mental issues because that's what Zak has said. The more that people remain fans of his, the harder it is for them to admit they were wrong. Its just easier for them to continue believing Zak.

xiw
Sep 25, 2011

i wake up at night
night action madness nightmares
maybe i am scum

Cpig Haiku contest 2020 winner

Darwinism posted:

What a zany set of coinkydinks, well that reassures me that there could never have been ill intent - god bless that brave anonymous friend for wanting Zak to set the record straight that Zak is 1000% innocent

they also have exactly the same typing quirks (linking words--like--so etc), clearly this is the equivalent of menstrual synchrony for internet shitposting

That Old Tree
Jun 24, 2012

nah


It's so similar to all those ironic names in Something Awful's Debate & Discussion forums. Shannon Appelcline posting as himself on RPG Reddit? Why, that's just as preposterous as Dick Nixon in USPol actually being Richard Nixon!

Ettin
Oct 2, 2010

xiw posted:

they also have exactly the same typing quirks (linking words--like--so etc), clearly this is the equivalent of menstrual synchrony for internet shitposting

My favourite part about Zak being too loving dumb to change his writing voice on his alts: one of the reasons we originally figured out the Dongion was him was because he kept spelling Mikan's name wrong. so did posts by "Mandy" :birdthunk:

Lemon-Lime
Aug 6, 2009
Someone repost Zak's insane conspiracy map from a few years back.

FMguru
Sep 10, 2003

peed on;
sexually

xiw posted:

they also have exactly the same typing quirks (linking words--like--so etc), clearly this is the equivalent of menstrual synchrony for internet shitposting
A zillion years ago, when "The Internet" meant "Usenet Newsgroups", there was a guy in the blackjack card-counting newsgroup who had a number of sockpuppet accounts that he used to help shill for his "system" and when he was confronted with clear evidence that he was posting as multiple people (same quixotic spelling and grammar, same formatting quirks, timestamps show that he and his puppets would never post at the same time but in batches one after the other, etc), he responded with a novel excuse - they were distinct people who didn't know each other but shared a "common typist", which was the most pathetic excuse I'd ever seen when someone was caught red-handed posting bullshit on the internet.

Nice to see Zak bringing back the classics, his dedication to the Old School goes much farther than just FRPGs.

Kai Tave posted:

It blows my mind that this goober has an actual fan following. Everything he says and does is the dumbest poo poo ever but people trip over themselves to tell him how cool he is.
It really says a lot about RPG fandom that someone who is so transparently a bad actor and an abusive, gaslighting piece of poo poo didn't get run out of town on a rail, but actually managed to install himself at the heart of OSR movement and be first on the list of people to be contacted about working on the new edition of the hobby's flagship product.

I'll always be proud of the way that these dying, mirthful forums figured out Zak's game almost immediately and sent him and his bullshit mind games packing.

inklesspen
Oct 17, 2007

Here I am coming, with the good news of me, and you hate it. You can think only of the bell and how much I have it, and you are never the goose. I will run around with my bell as much as I want and you will make despair.
Buglord

DalaranJ posted:

To be fair, you're prominently using tables, so you are web design's greatest monster.

I'm using tables, yes. For tabular data! That's what they're for!

Haystack
Jan 23, 2005





inklesspen posted:

I'm using tables, yes. For tabular data! That's what they're for!

pshaw, if you were a real internet you world use divs with flexbox injected via angular gziped to wasm by rust deployed to a private cloud by 77 nmp packages containing .whls to shepard your latin1 make files.

Nessus
Dec 22, 2003

After a Speaker vote, you may be entitled to a valuable coupon or voucher!



Haystack posted:

pshaw, if you were a real internet you world use divs with flexbox injected via angular gziped to wasm by rust deployed to a private cloud by 77 nmp packages containing .whls to shepard your latin1 make files.
No Mage chat, please

PST
Jul 5, 2012

If only Milliband had eaten a vegan sausage roll instead of a bacon sandwich, we wouldn't be in this mess.
http://www.tabletopwire.com/toys-board-games-and-dice-included-in-proposed-tariffs/


quote:

Toys, board games and dice are on the list of proposed Chinese imports that President Trump has proposed for additional tariffs of up to 25%. The list was released today by the Office of the U.S. Trade Representative. Trump proposed the tariffs after trade negotiations with China fell through on Friday.

Board games and dice are included under the subheading: 9504.90.60. “Chess, checkers, backgammon, darts and o/table and parlor games played on boards of a special design and parts thereof; poker chips and dice.”

Toys are under 9503.00.00. “Toys, including riding toys o/than bicycles, puzzles, reduced scale models.”

MadScientistWorking
Jun 23, 2010

"I was going through a time period where I was looking up weird stories involving necrophilia..."

FMguru posted:


I'll always be proud of the way that these dying, mirthful forums figured out Zak's game almost immediately and sent him and his bullshit mind games packing.
The thing that really freaks me out the most about us is that most abusers are more competent than Zak at it.

Pope Guilty
Nov 6, 2006

The human animal is a beautiful and terrible creature, capable of limitless compassion and unfathomable cruelty.

xiw posted:

they also have exactly the same typing quirks (linking words--like--so etc), clearly this is the equivalent of menstrual synchrony for internet shitposting

It's especially like menstrual synchrony in that it isn't real.


FMguru posted:

I'll always be proud of the way that these dying, mirthful forums figured out Zak's game almost immediately and sent him and his bullshit mind games packing.

Also Eron Gjoni.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

Ettin posted:

So it wasn't him pretending to be Shannon Appelcline, it was a friend who named the account after Shannon Appelcline on Zak's suggestion and made posts on Zak's behalf on Zak's computer. This is better because

Hm. Ivy League education's not worth much these days, huh?

Kai Tave posted:

It blows my mind that this goober has an actual fan following. Everything he says and does is the dumbest poo poo ever but people trip over themselves to tell him how cool he is.

Well, he hung out with porn stars or something.

Nessus
Dec 22, 2003

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MadScientistWorking posted:

The thing that really freaks me out the most about us is that most abusers are more competent than Zak at it.
"Evil lovely baby-man who is also incompetent and animated by rage, holds sway over large number of people who should know better and who outnumber him" is like the icon of this period.

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

inklesspen posted:

Oh, I was on his enemies list a long time ago, because I publicly stated on g+ that I believed Mikan. According to this blog post (archive.is link), I'm a "psychotic" (false) who thinks people should "buy his game" (also false). Check out the clever use of the screenshot from Amadeus, because of course I am the mediocre talent Salieri, who is plotting to murder God's pet genius Mozart.

What I didn't know is he thought the fact I index and archive the F&F thread means I agree with, endorse, and have contributed to every writeup there. Which, holy poo poo.
Not to toot my own horn, but he tried to doxx me for being a "serial harasser" because of a reply I made in a TG Chat thread. So his bar for being part of the vast, Tipper Gore wing conspiracy against him is so low you can trip over it.

Cessna
Feb 20, 2013

KHABAHBLOOOM

Falstaff posted:

I'm actually not sure if he's ever accused you folks of having it out for him, but I figured it was a good bet.

I'm sure he thinks we have some sort of bizarre vendetta and hold some sort of unfair personal animus against him, and that banning him wasn't just a routine case of telling someone to stop making GBS threads up our forum.

Kai Tave posted:

It blows my mind that this goober has an actual fan following. Everything he says and does is the dumbest poo poo ever but people trip over themselves to tell him how cool he is.

He plays D&D with women who have sex.

For most people this is no big deal. But if you're a pathetic loser that's the sort of person you idolize, and you'll do anything in the hope that some of that rubs off on you.

Cessna fucked around with this message at 14:41 on May 14, 2019

Gerund
Sep 12, 2007

He push a man


Lets not ignore that he also was the Grand Interpreter Of The Old Values in that, oh so convienently, every single unbearable cruft of ancient D&D was also perfect for his Porn Star Game because they (as told to him) liked all of it exactly as Gygax intended.

The guy defended the old damage notation because Girls Are Bad At Math; he was always conciously pitching to the fanbase he gained.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:
Hi there,

Thanks for writing in and letting us know about this. Our Trust & Safety team will look into the matter and if necessary, take action according to our Community Guidelines.

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Kickstarter

well, that's something.

moths
Aug 25, 2004

I would also still appreciate some danger.



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TheDiceMustRoll
Jul 23, 2018

Gerund posted:

Lets not ignore that he also was the Grand Interpreter Of The Old Values in that, oh so convienently, every single unbearable cruft of ancient D&D was also perfect for his Porn Star Game because they (as told to him) liked all of it exactly as Gygax intended.

The guy defended the old damage notation because Girls Are Bad At Math; he was always conciously pitching to the fanbase he gained.

Gary "OD&D + houserules forever but please understand that true and proper roleplaying is whatever book Im shilling this week" Gygax?

Gerund
Sep 12, 2007

He push a man


TheDiceMustRoll posted:

Gary "OD&D + houserules forever but please understand that true and proper roleplaying is whatever book Im shilling this week" Gygax?

What Gygax actually says and wants is not as important as affirming that which appealed to the 47-year-old never-moved-on-from-old-school-D&D fanbase was Always Good

DalaranJ
Apr 15, 2008

Yosuke will now die for you.
It’s important to remember that Zak was just running a house rules version of 3rd ed. Not S&W, or OSRIC, just a houseruled 3rd ed. I think he later ran LOTFP when that started to be in his business interest, but he didn’t really seem to give a poo poo about OSR principles.

DigitalRaven
Oct 9, 2012




Good loving riddance, Swedracula

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

Swedracula posted:

Launched in 1991, Vampire was a one-of-a-kind game. It created its own pop cultural myth, cultlike groups of fans, inspired a really intense take on roleplaying and new forms of play (Minds Eye Theatre) and it reached audiences that wouldn’t touch D&D with a pole. It had women and clubbers and smart people in black playing it.
Yeah, how'd that work out?

I honestly haven't kept up with Vampire 5e at all and don't know the details of his mismanagement of it.

This reminds me of something: I recently watched the documentary about Vampire. I was stunned at the segment on Vampire: the Requiem, depicting the reaction as universally negative due to a rules-focused shift. Whether you love or hate Requiem, that's just wildly untrue.

Joe Slowboat
Nov 9, 2016

Higgledy-Piggledy Whale Statements



Swedracula needed Requiem to be widely disdained and a break from the past, in order for him to be the savior of the Golden Age sweeping back in to restore it.

DigitalRaven
Oct 9, 2012




Halloween Jack posted:

I honestly haven't kept up with Vampire 5e at all and don't know the details of his mismanagement of it.

He caused an international incident with a V5 book.

Kurieg
Jul 19, 2012

RIP Lutri: 5/19/20-4/2/20
:blizz::gamefreak:

Joe Slowboat posted:

Swedracula needed Requiem to be widely disdained and a break from the past, in order for him to be the savior of the Golden Age sweeping back in to restore it.

Swedracula has this narrative in his head that He's somehow the 'savior' and 'true inheritor' of the World of Darkness from Mark Rein*Hagen, after it was so cruelly stolen by the vile Onyx Path.

Except...
  • MR*H was ousted in the mid 90's for being an edgelord that people did not like interacting with
  • MR*H was never really in charge of running the lines or the stories to begin with. He was the idea guy but I don't think he was ever really a line dev (and if he was he often left because he had some BRAVE NEW IDEA). Besides, the World of Darkness most people remember fondly was out of Revised, the Achilli/Skemp/Bridges era that started shortly after MR*H left.
  • The WoD was ended because they got tired of having the Damocles Sword of the impending final nights hanging over the head of the lines forever, they wanted to start over with a clean slate (and without a defined world ending scenario lying at the end of the road)
  • The divisiveness about the nWoD wasn't about rules changes. It was about them "abandoning" the old stories. You'd be hard pressed to find someone who thinks that the oWoD resolution system was better than nWoD's. The rabid fanboys just wanted a shiny new coat of mechanics over the trenchcoats and katana's
  • The Wieck's stuck with White Wolf up until they were bought out by CCP, and Stew stayed through to 2010.
  • CCP's buyout is probably where you could say the 'bad management' happened, but that was primarily because CCP cared mostly about the license itself and only put out books to maintain it while they worked on the MMO. At best you could call it Benign Neglect. OPP were the ones who 'saved' the world of darkness with the 20th anniversary lines.

In the end, though, it's probably not too surprising that he's just as deluded as his idol.

Liquid Communism
Mar 9, 2004

коммунизм хранится в яичках

This fucker learned nothing from crashing an entire publishing house.

quote:

For now, allow me to just say that my brand work and subject matter choices always intended to bring WoD uncomfortably close to reality, letting us explore the worst parts of our world by mixing real horrors with metaphorical ones. I wanted to use WoD as a vehicle for awareness building and human rights advocacy. I wanted to show real evils by placing them next to fictitious ones. I wanted to weave myth and history so tightly that it becomes difficult to know where one ends and the other begins, make players untangle them for themselves, learning in the process. I wanted to transcend the genre with fresh darkness drawn from the filthiest wells of the commercialized internet menacing zeitgeist.

I wanted to become known for making the darkest poo poo using the best tricks for playing on serious subjects from the progressive Nordic larp scene and as opposed to censoring, ignoring, simplifying or romanticizing our real world material. I wanted us to be known as the company that treated our players as competent adult individuals, fully capable of enjoying a satirical vision of our own world, where everything is tainted and nothing is what it seems.

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

Kurieg posted:

The divisiveness about the nWoD wasn't about rules changes. It was about them "abandoning" the old stories. You'd be hard pressed to find someone who thinks that the oWoD resolution system was better than nWoD's. The rabid fanboys just wanted a shiny new coat of mechanics over the trenchcoats and katana's
Yeah, that was my read as well.

quote:

The WoD was ended because they got tired of having the Damocles Sword of the impending final nights hanging over the head of the lines forever, they wanted to start over with a clean slate (and without a defined world ending scenario lying at the end of the road)
I thought it was because there was simply too much accumulated lore for them to market their products to anyone who wasn't already a longtime fan. I assume this also made it difficult to bring new writers onboard.

Mors Rattus
Oct 25, 2007

FATAL & Friends
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Little of column A, little of column B, and a little of the fact that it was really hard to keep a millenialist setting going well into the 2000s.

Kurieg
Jul 19, 2012

RIP Lutri: 5/19/20-4/2/20
:blizz::gamefreak:

Halloween Jack posted:

I thought it was because there was simply too much accumulated lore for them to market their products to anyone who wasn't already a longtime fan. I assume this also made it difficult to bring new writers onboard.

Six of one, half dozen of the other. The final nights were part of that massive lore-wad.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

Gerund posted:

Lets not ignore that he also was the Grand Interpreter Of The Old Values in that, oh so convienently, every single unbearable cruft of ancient D&D was also perfect for his Porn Star Game because they (as told to him) liked all of it exactly as Gygax intended.

The guy defended the old damage notation because Girls Are Bad At Math; he was always conciously pitching to the fanbase he gained.

Zak: "Anecdotes are not evidence. Now as evidence, let me give you an anecdote."

Punkinhead
Apr 2, 2015


quote:

However, this intention to integrate White Wolf has no doubt been accelerated by recent controversy over the V5 Camarilla handbook for Vampire: The Masquerade. According to our sister site Rock Paper Shotgun, a chapter about a vampire-run Chechnya referred to the persecution of LGBTQ+ people as "a clever media manipulation."

"While homosexuals are indeed held in detention facilities for days, and humiliated, starved, tortured, and eventually fed upon and killed, this is not the point. The point is to distract from the truth of what Chechnya has become."

:eek:

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

RockPaperShotgun posted:

The Camarilla handbook, which has now been delayed by approximately three weeks so that these sections can be edited out, explained that Chechnya is run by vampires, and described the atrocities as “a clever media manipulation.” It reads: “While homosexuals are indeed held in detention facilities for days, and humiliated, starved, tortured, and eventually fed upon and killed, this is not the point. The point is to distract from the truth of what Chechnya has become.”
Even cheesy stories that make the Nazis into vampires and cyborgs don't phrase it as "Sure, the Holocaust is bad, but that's not the point!"

Mors Rattus
Oct 25, 2007

FATAL & Friends
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#1 Builder
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yeah, that was, uh

a thing that caused actual international problems and people got arrested over in Russia

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TheDiceMustRoll
Jul 23, 2018

My favorite part is that gay genocide is apparently not a sign of what your country has become

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