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| Joe "the liberal who fights busing" Biden |
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27 | 1.40% |
| Bernie "please don't die" Sanders |
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1017 | 52.69% |
| Cory "charter schools" Booker |
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12 | 0.62% |
| Kirsten "wall street" Gillibrand |
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24 | 1.24% |
| Kamala "truancy queen" Harris |
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59 | 3.06% |
| Julian "who?" Castro |
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7 | 0.36% |
| Tulsi "gay panic" Gabbard |
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25 | 1.30% |
| Michael "crimes crimes crimes" Avenatti |
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22 | 1.14% |
| Sherrod "discount bernie" Brown |
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21 | 1.09% |
| Amy "horrible boss" Klobuchar |
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12 | 0.62% |
| Tammy "stands for america" Duckworth |
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48 | 2.49% |
| Beto "whataburger" O'Rourke |
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32 | 1.66% |
| Elizabeth "instagram beer" Warren |
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284 | 14.72% |
| Tom "impeach please" Steyer |
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4 | 0.21% |
| Michael "soda is the devil" Bloomberg |
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9 | 0.47% |
| Joseph Stalin |
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287 | 14.87% |
| Howard "coffee republican" Schultz |
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10 | 0.52% |
Jay "nobody cares about climate change  " Inslee |
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13 | 0.67% |
| Pete "gently caress the homeless" Butt Man |
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17 | 0.88% |
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people are arguing about chelsea manning cause some people really really want to like buttigieg despite him being shown to be really lovely, so now they're busy covering for his myriad sins. i'm sure brandorkp will eventually make excuses for why it was totally ok to hose the homeless of the streets and destroy their beds
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Condiv posted:people are arguing about chelsea manning cause some people really really want to like buttigieg despite him being shown to be really lovely, so now they're busy covering for his myriad sins. Yea but we've left that argument a long time ago. When I was responding to Brandor, we were still talking about Buttigieg. Now we're just talking about Manning. E: VVV Fine, ignore the comment about Manning, feel free to keep arguing because I do want to see if anyone can actually defend their weird anti-Manning takes. I was just mad cause I got off a stupid 6er for trying to debate and discuss. Z. Autobahn, I swear to Christ, just don't @ me WampaLord fucked around with this message at 09:20 on May 14, 2019 |
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I mean I don't see why Manning is off-topic when one of the candidates is a dead-eyed imperialist warlover who thinks she should be thrown back in a hole and tortured, and all his supporters are justifying this with "well you'll never find enough proof to convince me Hillary Clinton didn't order Banghazi" reasoningCondiv posted:i'm sure brandorkp will eventually make excuses for why it was totally ok to hose the homeless of the streets and destroy their beds That did so much damage to his soul, Condiv, have you no empathy for the world's poor unfortunate souls. By which I mean Pete Buttigieg who has suffered like Christ in order to be worthy of becoming President of America VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 09:18 on May 14, 2019 |
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https://twitter.com/People4Bernie/status/1128046848059437056 A really good video, as penance for my dumb ranting about poll posting.
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Condiv posted:also, again, what does it matter that she dumped the information en masse KN? neither you nor anyone else have been able to show it was harmful, just say that you think it could've been harmful. that's a really lovely standard but you I'm glad that Manning was released -- I think she had served more than sufficient time and wasn't a threat in any way. I don't think it's unreasonable she faced some jail time for leaking classified information. The treatment within jail is another issue. What is your general approach for how leaks and leakers should be treated by the legal system? Can you think of an examples where someone should some face jail time and what's the criteria?
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KingNastidon posted:I'm glad that Manning was released -- I think she had served more than sufficient time and wasn't a threat in any way. I don't think it's unreasonable she faced some jail time for leaking classified information. The treatment within jail is another issue. manning should've faced no (0) jail time because what she leaked was in the public interest that you think she should've been tortured for a period for acting in the public interest speaks volumes about you KN
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May 14, 2019 10:42
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While I support the goals of Martin Luther King it is just and proper that he had to spend time in jail because he did, after all, break the law - KingNastidon circa 1965
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KingNastidon posted:I'm glad that Manning was released -- I think she had served more than sufficient time and wasn't a threat in any way. I don't think it's unreasonable she faced some jail time for leaking classified information. The treatment within jail is another issue. She should have been protected under whistleblowing laws, as all she was doing was bringing to light the massive war crimes America has done
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May 14, 2019 10:57
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It's always a debate over Manning being punished but for some reason all the crimes she exposed just fading into the ether as if they were committed by ghosts is never questioned.
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moths posted:E: She did good things and also bad things. Is there actually a thread to discuss this? You can always create one, instead of having this discussion here! D&D doesn't have to be all megathreads all the time, you can create a smaller thread for a more narrowly focused discussion. KingNastidon posted:I'm glad that Manning was released -- I think she had served more than sufficient time and wasn't a threat in any way. I don't think it's unreasonable she faced some jail time for leaking classified information. The treatment within jail is another issue. Let's not go here, this is way too off-topic for this thread. I don't think this is the place for a discussion of leaking in general. And on that note, let's keep Manningchat under control and stay focused on the primary election aspects. Remember, Buttigieg didn't just hate Manning and her leaks - he hated that her sentence was commuted after seven years behind bars, which included several stints in solitary confinement (one of which lasted 11 months), two suicide attempts, and a two-year legal battle because the Army was refusing to let her transition. We don't necessarily have to decide the moral standing of the leaks with total accuracy to assess Buttigieg's apparent belief that Manning wasn't imprisoned and tortured enough.
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Radish posted:It's always a debate over Manning being punished but for some reason all the crimes she exposed just fading into the ether as if they were committed by ghosts is never questioned. Because that's the part everyone agrees on? There's no dispute that the whistleblowing of crimes is good. But that's not all she did, was it? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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HootTheOwl posted:But that's not all she did, was it? can this style of posting be designated as probatable? if you have something to say then say it, this kind of "whoooo bet you'd like to know what I mean but you'll have to ask me and then wait for me to post again" bullshit is wasting everyone's time and it's incredibly loving irritating.
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Every time I see Buttigieg in the top 5 I go, "him?"
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HootTheOwl posted:Because that's the part everyone agrees on? There's no dispute that the whistleblowing of crimes is good. did you get hired by fuckin Dateline or are you just dumb as poo poo
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May 14, 2019 14:28
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I think Manning already had her day in court, and she lost and went to jail for it, right? She got out. Why are we relitigating this trash again? Because Mayor Pete wants her thrown back in jail? Well, gently caress mayor Pete.
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Main Paineframe posted:Just make your goddamned arguments up front, people, instead of engaging in silly "Are not"/"Are too" nonsense where each side has to have their argument painstakingly dragged out of them one sentence at a time. In-depth discussion of the effects of the Manning leaks is only barely on-topic anyway, so let's not drag it out with this stupid teasing crap. Just going to give everyone a reminder of this post, since it's been a whopping 24 hours since I gave this warning. Remember it well, because there will be no third warning.
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May 14, 2019 14:29
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Chilichimp posted:Every time I see Buttigieg in the top 5 I go, "him?" He's slightly more interesting than Beto and has thus taken his spot as Young White Man
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Chilichimp posted:I think Manning already had her day in court, and she lost and went to jail for it, right? She got out. mayor pete wants her back in jail and people in the thread want him to be good so they have to argue how it's really ok she went to jail to feel better about themselves
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overmind2000 posted:He's slightly more interesting than Beto and has thus taken his spot as Young White Man
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Condiv posted:mayor pete wants her back in jail and people in the thread want him to be good so they have to argue how it's really ok she went to jail to feel better about themselves yea I mean I guess there's not a ton more to say since Team Boot is just going 'yea but what IF....' but I don't know why we're constantly acting like this is a bigger derail than half this thread is normally. Pete literally thinks she shouldn't have been released, he's, for some reason, a major candidate. Talking about her is more on topic than talking about literally anything related to like 15 of the people in the race who are polling at 1%. We're months away from anything but polls and bullshit like this to be available to discuss.
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sexpig by night posted:yea I mean I guess there's not a ton more to say since Team Boot is just going 'yea but what IF....' but I don't know why we're constantly acting like this is a bigger derail than half this thread is normally. Pete literally thinks she shouldn't have been released, he's, for some reason, a major candidate. Talking about her is more on topic than talking about literally anything related to like 15 of the people in the race who are polling at 1%. We're months away from anything but polls and bullshit like this to be available to discuss. Him? I still can't believe there's a massive clamor for this rear end in a top hat. He's just some neocon progressive (lol) who can string together sentences in front of a camera. He's run a town in Indiana. Why the gently caress is anyone giving him longer than 2 seconds for a pitch?
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Chilichimp posted:Him? systems thinking and data analytics is what the whitehouse needs, racism and hatred of labor be damned
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He's credentialed and he's smart and he's gay and he's a Democrat in a red state and he did well in a town hall or something. Media loves all that stuff and some people take their cues from them. He's lucky his name is weird because it keeps the first pass of questions on the surface. I think he will be doing the campaign version of "wow that's a great question, what does the group think?" while dancing around a lot.
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Chilichimp posted:Him? There isn't, he's polling single digits, I highly doubt we see him rise up to the peak of where he was at the top of his media push (a whopping 15%? I think? Was the height of his bubble?) Also, black voters are literally not supporting him at all, and you can not win the Democratic primary without black voters, so there's no need to worry about Pete unless he's just in this to run for Biden's VP.
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Did any of the illegal actions she helped expose lead to anything? Did she face greater punishment for exposing crimes than the original criminals? Those questions are integral to the soul of this country and the fact we have Democratic presidential candidates being lauded while being on the wrong side of those is extremely bad and something we should be strongly considering. It's too bad the country is coming apart at the seams and Buttigieg is concerned about whistleblowers with a sense of ethics.
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Chilichimp posted:Him? When his polling was broken down by race and income, his support is almost universally from white people that make over six figures. This is also almost universally who is represented in the news media so its not so much that there is an army of Bootlickers out there but the people that are have very large megaphones. https://twitter.com/SteveKornacki/status/1117972745915121665
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Judakel posted:I like polls. Don't hesitate to post all polls. Here's a neat tidbit from that Emerson poll: quote:A majority of Democratic primary voters, 56%, indicate there is a chance they could change their mind and vote for another candidate, whereas 44% say they will definitely vote for the candidate they are currently supporting. The majority of the Dem primary voters say they're totally willing to vote for someone else.
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Condiv posted:mayor pete wants her back in jail and people in the thread want him to be good so they have to argue how it's really ok she went to jail to feel better about themselves Exactly and they want to do the cowardly dance of not actually defending their candidate and instead focus on what Manning’s punishment should have been if not torturous. As if that’s a gotcha.
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This is a dumb aside but I almost wish they wouldn't ask "who WOULDN'T you vote for" because you get a lot of the cart leading the horse, there. That is to say a lowish info guy who says "not that Bernie guy" is now a lot less likely to vote Bernie down the road than before you asked.
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Iron Twinkie posted:When his polling was broken down by race and income, his support is almost universally from white people that make over six figures. This is also almost universally who is represented in the news media so its not so much that there is an army of Bootlickers out there but the people that are have very large megaphones. So basically, people with comfortable lives, who will live comfortable lives no matter who wins, have decided to back the “fun!” candidate with the most novel idpol cred (‘black’ and ‘woman’ are sooo played out!).
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pangstrom posted:This is a dumb aside but I almost wish they wouldn't ask "who WOULDN'T you vote for" because you get a lot of the cart leading the horse, there. That is to say a lowish info guy who says "not that Bernie guy" is now a lot less likely to vote Bernie down the road than before you asked. That’s not dumb, that’s actually really insightful. People want to “stick to their guns” and be consistent with their past statements whether anybody is going to actually hold them accountable or not. The guy who thinks to himself “I hate Bernie” isn’t quite as sure about it as he is after he tells someone “I hate Bernie”. I like to say that the only way to get an opponent to take your position is to convince them it was their position all along. That’s harder when they’re “on the record”. Mellow Seas fucked around with this message at 16:01 on May 14, 2019 |
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Pete Buttigieg looks like the Grinch who stole Christmas.
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Mellow Seas posted:That’s not dumb, that’s actually really insightful. People want to “stick to their guns” and be consistent with their past statements whether anybody is going to actually hold them accountable or not. The guy who thinks to himself “I hate Bernie” isn’t quite as sure about it as he is after he tells someone “I hate Bernie”.
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AsInHowe posted:Pete Buttigieg looks like the Grinch who stole Christmas. Honestly, Trump was completely correct with Alfred E. Nueman on this one
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kidkissinger posted:Honestly, Trump was completely correct with Alfred E. Nueman on this one   Better as Grinch.
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Mellow Seas posted:So basically, people with comfortable lives, who will live comfortable lives no matter who wins, have decided to back the “fun!” candidate with the most novel idpol cred (‘black’ and ‘woman’ are sooo played out!). Honestly I think it is more so that they absolutely do not give a poo poo about idpol. Butt Peteigieg is a Harvard educated white man born into a wealthy family and at the end of the day they feel most comfortable with one of their own.
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Buttigieg is idpol for highschool honor society students.
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