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"Blood and Souls!" gently caress off, you're not Elric and don't think no-one noticed how Souls is awfully close to Soil.
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Kurieg's timeline/analysis is entirely correct. I will say that the transition to NWoD happened right as MET LARP was falling off. Back in say 99-02, it seemed like every town had at least one or two regular, well-attended LARPs that were as much social scene as game, but that was kind of faddish and eventually the people who were mostly there to hang out went and did other stuff with their Saturday nights. This happened at the same time that the NWoD transition was happening, and I remember a LOT of people who were upset about that and refused to pay Requiem. Between those two factors and many others (the decline of goth and goth aesthetics as the default alternative culture, for example), MET LARP has never been what it once was, and I don't really see anything that could bring it back to that point.
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May 14, 2019 17:54
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Halloween Jack posted:I thought it was because there was simply too much accumulated lore for them to market their products to anyone who wasn't already a longtime fan. I assume this also made it difficult to bring new writers onboard. Sometimes you just run out of stuff to publish, y'know? (This is a problem that is currently afflicting Paizo/Pathfinder)
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May 14, 2019 17:56
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I don't think you even have to call that a pet belief. Any game line is going to see declining sales from a supplement treadmill business model, as you eventually run out of stuff to publish and make your setting intimidating to new people. How many roleplaying games besides D&D have been able to use a new edition to make their product line better-selling than ever? Often a new edition corebook sells like hotcakes, especially if the line has been dwindling or out-of-print long enough to generate nostalgia, but I don't think the sales for Chronicles of Darkness approach the old game lines at their peak.
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May 14, 2019 18:02
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FMguru posted:Sometimes you just run out of stuff to publish, y'know? (This is a problem that is currently afflicting Paizo/Pathfinder) I feel bad for them, because I have no interest in learning a new edition of Pathfinder but what else are they gonna publish?
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May 14, 2019 18:03
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Halloween Jack posted:I don't think you even have to call that a pet belief. Any game line is going to see declining sales from a supplement treadmill business model, as you eventually run out of stuff to publish and make your setting intimidating to new people. I think Paranoia sold better with its later editions?
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May 14, 2019 18:03
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PinheadSlim posted:I feel bad for them, because I have no interest in learning a new edition of Pathfinder but what else are they gonna publish? There's actually a fair number of supplements Paizo cancelled for one reason or another that they could have published, and if you look at a D&D supplement treadmill there's still some gaps missing. Like the very last hardcover rulebook they did was a Manual of the Planes equivalent, which is usually pretty popular in D&D's gameline. Hell, 5e got to it first! I don't think it's a mistake for them to do PF 2e, but they did have another couple years of book ideas left just looking at my shelves. Sales numbers are a different thing, it's entirely possible that Bestiary 6 didn't do very well. Although Paizo figured out how to resell everyone everything midway through with a second format for the books, so that was nice. Also it's amazing how much fresher and more interesting the books for NWoD were over OWoD, not having the metaplot really freed them to try cool new things and it was really nice!
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May 14, 2019 18:09
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I admit I find it a little exasperating that the documentary accused Requiem of being "rollplaying not roleplaying," when the principle difference is that Requiem books teach you how to build your own mythos instead of just giving it to you. An actual unverifiable pet theory, in which I heartily believe, is that a significant portion of the WoD fanbase enjoyed reading the sourcebooks when they couldn't find anybody to play anything but D&D. Requiem spoils that. You can't be a lore nerd for a set of suggestions.
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May 14, 2019 18:15
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Halloween Jack posted:An actual unverifiable pet theory, in which I heartily believe, is that a significant portion of the WoD fanbase enjoyed reading the sourcebooks when they couldn't find anybody to play anything but D&D. Requiem spoils that. You can't be a lore nerd for a set of suggestions. If that was ever true of Requiem it isn't any more, though. There are unsolved mysteries, sure, but the Clan Books if nothing else definitely put the final nail in that coffin.
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May 14, 2019 18:18
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Yeah, nWoD is a fully realized setting, just one with no 90s style metaplot and a lot of areas marked ‘here be dragons’.
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May 14, 2019 18:23
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Arivia posted:
I always wanted a Pathfinder monthly or bimonthly magazine. It could have featured new monsters, NPCs, pre-genned characters, one off and serialized adventures, and obligatory product previews/reviews. Maybe subscribers could get a small discount on Adventure paths as they're released.
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May 14, 2019 18:30
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Don't forget Martin also mandated that OPP Put that hilariously transphobic, mysogynistic, and transmysogynistic stuff into the last Werewolf book before OPP just washed their hands of the whole W20 thing
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May 14, 2019 18:30
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Kurieg posted:Don't forget Martin also mandated that OPP Put that hilariously transphobic, mysogynistic, and transmysogynistic stuff into the last Werewolf book before OPP just washed their hands of the whole W20 thing I'd really rather be allowed to forget that and move along 
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May 14, 2019 18:32
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PinheadSlim posted:I always wanted a Pathfinder monthly or bimonthly magazine. That's basically what the APs and player companions were, really. APs always had more to them than just the adventure, and the player companions could be bought separately so you could just buy PC stuff without spoiling the adventure. Paizo specifically offered subscriptions knowing the magazine model works really well. Player companions are going away with 2e, though.
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May 14, 2019 18:37
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Liquid Communism posted:This fucker learned nothing from crashing an entire publishing house.
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May 14, 2019 18:40
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MollyMetroid posted:I'd really rather be allowed to forget that and move along Is there some way that the targeted people can forget about this and move on, but the assholes who actually need the reminder that this is Bad and Not Acceptable have it tattooed into their brains? (I know the answer is "fixing our broken society" but... Well. )
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May 14, 2019 18:46
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Arivia posted:There's actually a fair number of supplements Paizo cancelled for one reason or another that they could have published, and if you look at a D&D supplement treadmill there's still some gaps missing. And yet they decided to publish child abuse gives you magic powers, promised to remove it and didn't. Almost as if they're a poo poo show of lies all over. From defending and covering for bill webb to dismissing complaints about Mentzer to tj aforementioned mechanically incentivised child abuse that they promised to remove and didn't. And then we have their lovely behaviour over the total collapse of the starfinder miniature Kickstarter It's almost as if they have consistently been a loving poo poo show of a company that might have decent line staff but whose management are toxic waste.
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PST posted:And yet they decided to publish child abuse gives you magic powers, promised to remove it and didn't. Almost as if they're a poo poo show of lies all over. From defending and covering for bill webb to dismissing complaints about Mentzer to tj aforementioned mechanically incentivised child abuse that they promised to remove and didn't. I don't disagree with this but it has nothing to do with what you quoted.
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May 14, 2019 18:53
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Thoughts: - "Black Dog Blues"... well, Swedracula might have turned White Wolf into the edgy 1990s parody of itself it used to portray, but at least he owns that. - In between the bad proofreading ("Word on Darkness" - OK, English as a second language gets you a certain amount of slack, but you shouldn't be making that mistake after spending 3 years immersed in the material professionally and longer than that as a hobbyist), there seems to be a lot of "history will prove me right!" - Note that the closing from is from The Sisterhood - AKA, the name under which Andrew Eldritch put a quick album (Gift) to stop ex-Sisters of Mercy bandmates from using that name (they became the Mission instead) and to air grievances with them in a coded fashion. I think we can expect to see him sniping from the sidelines for a good while.
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quote:I wanted to become known for making the darkest poo poo using the best tricks for playing on serious subjects from the progressive Nordic larp scene and as opposed to censoring, ignoring, simplifying or romanticizing our real world material. I wanted us to be known as the company that treated our players as competent adult individuals, fully capable of enjoying a satirical vision of our own world, where everything is tainted and nothing is what it seems. At first I misread that as "the dankest poo poo" and then after reading the rest of that bit I'm not sure that wasn't what was intended.
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May 14, 2019 18:55
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Warthur posted:. (Highly proficient) Non-native speakers are often actually much better proof-readers because they're more hyper-aware of weird spelling nonsense since they learned it as adults. E.g. some random German person is less likely to confuse they're/there/their than a native English speaker. This isn't an English specific thing, it's just a thing about learning a second language as an adult. This is why my spelling in French is waaaaaaay better than in English or German.
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May 14, 2019 19:37
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If he wants to embrace Nordic LARP so much he should just stay contained within that community.
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May 14, 2019 19:48
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Ahh gently caress. Not sure how this one got overlooked, as it's going to be a big pain in the rear end for... basically every Kickstarter going forward/currently in the process of production.
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My impression of the Nordic LARP scene is...not one that would be welcoming to a guy whose ambition is to become the Supreme Leader Edgelord.
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Warthur posted:At first I misread that as "the dankest poo poo" and then after reading the rest of that bit I'm not sure that wasn't what was intended.
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Martin Ericsson posted:I wanted to make something as different and real as the punk visions of the original creation. Martin Ericsson posted:For now, allow me to just say that my brand work and subject matter choices always intended to bring WoD uncomfortably close to reality, letting us explore the worst parts of our world by mixing real horrors with metaphorical ones. I wanted to use WoD as a vehicle for awareness building and human rights advocacy. I wanted to show real evils by placing them next to fictitious ones. Martin Ericsson posted:I wanted to become known for making the darkest poo poo using the best tricks for playing on serious subjects from the progressive Nordic larp scene and as opposed to censoring, ignoring, simplifying or romanticizing our real world material. Martin Ericsson posted:It’s been real. "Realism" is most often a refuge of the regressive.
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Alien Rope Burn posted:"Realism" is most often a refuge of the regressive. It's stories include: - Officer shoots dead woman on video saying 'I'm pregnant' - Germany's hard-right party embraces climate denial - 'It goes after Roe directly': Alabama's abortion bill set to go before state senate - Lawyers in wrongful death lawsuit say evidence was destroyed - Stan Lee business manager charged with elder abuse - Opinion: We've run out of elections to waste - this is the last chance to make a difference on climate change (Bill McKibben) Plus articles about the slow motion attempted coup in Venezuela, the rise of antisemitism, accusations of abuse in a migrant detention center, and a live stream of terrible news about the ongoing subversion of democracy in the Trump administration. The lead story in the NYT over the weekend was about Syria's network of torture prisons: "Nearly 128,000 have never emerged, and are presumed to be either dead or still in custody, according to the Syrian Network for Human Rights, an independent monitoring group that keeps the most rigorous tally. Nearly 14,000 were “killed under torture.” Many prisoners die from conditions so dire that a United Nations investigation labeled the process “extermination.”" Boy, I sure am glad there's a Swedish guy who thinks he's Dracula working hard out there keeping it real. My goodness, just think of what a comfy little blinkered suburban cocoon we'd all be trapped in if this guy wasn't out there being all in our faces with his stories about trans vampires in Chechnya or whatever.
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May 14, 2019 21:16
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moths posted:Wait is he ruining Black Dog Games now? Because if anyone can, it's him. No, he just named his blog after it because that imprint represents everything he wants the WoD to be
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moths posted:Wait is he ruining Black Dog Games now? Because if anyone can, it's him. No. Black Dog Games is a white wolf imprint, so whoever owns the rights to White Wolf (paradox) has the rights to Black Dog Games... He's basically banking on Paradox not wanting to sue him for brand confusion with his Freelance gaming blog called "Black Dog Blues".
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FMguru posted:My pet belief was they ran out of books to publish. For Vampire they did two revisions of the core book, multiple historical sub-lines, multiple vampires-of-other-lands sub-lines, two full sets of clanbooks, citybooks for most every important city in the hemisphere, and sourcebooks for every possible aspect of the VtM setting (Havens! Ghouls! Dhampires! Inconnu!). Werewolf and Mage had similarly gone over the same ground multiple times. I'll be the sales numbers showed diminishing returns across the entire line. Its less pet theory and more explicitly stated fact. Rich Thomas at OPP has written blog posts stating that the supplement treadmill was earning less and less with each new supplement. Ending the oWoD was predicated in big part of trying to deal with this, and while it might not have been the only solution, Sweddracula's nostalgic alt-history that the oWoD was chugging along fine was BS.
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Desiden posted:Its less pet theory and more explicitly stated fact. Rich Thomas at OPP has written blog posts stating that the supplement treadmill was earning less and less with each new supplement. Ending the oWoD was predicated in big part of trying to deal with this, and while it might not have been the only solution, Sweddracula's nostalgic alt-history that the oWoD was chugging along fine was BS. Well, Swedracula's primary interaction with the world of darkness was through the LARP community, which resisted the change over to nWoD hard because it would mean abandoning
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MollyMetroid posted:I'd really rather be allowed to forget that and move along I wish I could forget it, because it poisons the memories of the last W20 book I developed.
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PinheadSlim posted:I feel bad for them, because I have no interest in learning a new edition of Pathfinder but what else are they gonna publish? Maybe it's all a ruse and right before 2e goes to print there'll be a guerilla kickstarter campaign for pathfinderfinder, the pathfinder clone of parhfinder because the game was already perfect, goddamn it!
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And Pathfinderfinder will just be 4e with a half assed find and replace for all the buzzwords people hated.
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Kurieg posted:Well, Swedracula's primary interaction with the world of darkness was through the LARP community, which resisted the change over to nWoD hard because it would mean abandoning I'm not sure he's ever played MET and I always get the impression he thinks MET is for dorks. And it is, but that doesn't make the poo poo he likes Nordic LARPs for good.
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Kurieg posted:4e without keywords sounds like literal actual hell. But *~^~^natural language^~^~*. I’m joking it would be a nightmare. I love 4e and think it’s possibly the best D&D but jesus loving christ it had too many fiddly bits. It’s just more prominent because it didn’t hide its fiddliness and just wore that on its sleeve.
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Xiahou Dun posted:And Pathfinderfinder will just be 4e with a half assed find and replace for all the buzzwords people hated. this is already what PF2e is
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