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splash pages and vertical splash pages where you gotta turn the book sideways and foldout splash pages are cool, don't @ me
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Alaois posted:splash pages and vertical splash pages where you gotta turn the book sideways and foldout splash pages are cool, don't @ me Agreed. Doing cool stuff with the art is cool. My favourite marvel pages are the 4 page splash that Steranko did in Strange Tales that required you to buy 2 copies of the book to experience fully.
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May 15, 2019 16:44
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Complaining about horizontal panels is legit one of the stupidest takes I've heard about comics in a long time.
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May 15, 2019 16:45
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if a cartoonist isn't allowed to go nuts with panel layout and page design, what's the point of creating a comic at all!
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May 15, 2019 16:46
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Jordan7hm posted:Agreed. one of the things that really hooked me when i first got back into comics was a 2 page spread in bendis' torso that's like, a spiral panelling thing that you had to turn the book vertical for. it was really cool
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May 15, 2019 16:53
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I mean just look at how horizontal this monstrosity is. No more of this kind of comic booking please.
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May 15, 2019 17:20
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that whips rear end
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May 15, 2019 17:24
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If you don't like horizontal panels does that mean you want all comic books to be 4koma like Pop Team Epic?
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May 15, 2019 17:28
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Alaois posted:if a cartoonist isn't allowed to go nuts with panel layout and page design, what's the point of creating a comic at all! Absoutely. There are a lot of comic book artists who are bad at layout and storytelling, though. Being able to design an interesting page is one of those things that a lot of comic book readers don't even notice, too.
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May 15, 2019 17:29
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Random Stranger posted:Absoutely. There are a lot of comic book artists who are bad at layout and storytelling, though. Being able to design an interesting page is one of those things that a lot of comic book readers don't even notice, too. just because people won't notice it doesn't mean it shouldn't be done or even attempted if you're new and unexperienced. the only way to learn how to do unconventional panel layout is to try and see what works.
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May 15, 2019 17:30
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Is there a digital angle to this? My reader fits to width not height so vertical panels == scrolling
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May 15, 2019 17:54
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Scaramouche posted:Is there a digital angle to this? My reader fits to width not height so vertical panels == scrolling
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May 15, 2019 18:20
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i dunno if your app has this setting, but on mine there's an option to show the full page every page turn
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May 15, 2019 18:26
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site posted:one of the things that really hooked me when i first got back into comics was a 2 page spread in bendis' torso that's like, a spiral panelling thing that you had to turn the book vertical for. it was really cool Torso really fascinates me in that so much of what we think of when we think of Bendis in 2019 is already there, from the really idiosyncratic way he thinks about tempo and I almost want to say "meter" in how he tackles panels, to the fact that the ending is a huge disappointment. But yeah, the spread you're talking about is great and sort of blew my mind too when I first encountered it.
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May 15, 2019 18:29
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yeah, i re-read it...i think it was last summer now, and in many ways it is already what we would call Peak Bendis and the strength of the book is mostly carried by the artwork of marc andreyko
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May 15, 2019 18:39
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CapnAndy posted:It's minor, but undoubtedly so. As nice as digital is, I will admit that you do lose the visual wham you get when turning the page and seeing all of a two-page splash at once. I read in landscape mode and get this no problem.
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May 15, 2019 19:15
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Oh yeah I know I can use other layouts, but I'm wondering if the majority of the digital reading public bothers.
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May 15, 2019 19:19
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9 square panels per page so you can actually tell a complete story in one 19 page issue instead of stretching it out to 6 issues, thanks.
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May 15, 2019 23:24
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Why stop there, just take the nine panel grids and turn them into 18 panel grids, you can get twice the story in the same number of pages. 27 panel grids and you can tell an entire trade's worth of story in an issue or two. Maybe forget the panels, one page with a plot summary and a header image, let's really get down to brass tacks. That's how Stan and Jack would've done it!
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May 15, 2019 23:31
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Edge & Christian posted:Maybe forget the panels, one page with a plot summary and a header image, let's really get down to brass tacks. That's how Stan and Jack would've done it! Jack "Nine Panel Grid Is How I Pencil 122 Pages a Month" Kirby would never stand for that.
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May 15, 2019 23:35
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Random Stranger posted:Jack "Nine Panel Grid Is How I Pencil 122 Pages a Month" Kirby would never stand for that. I don't really associate Kirby with nine panel grids; people who love him usually talk about his big panels and his use of double page spreads, not his compact tight nine panel economy. Contemporary bitching about his work from the late 1960s onward was about how he relied too much on splash pages or only doing 3-5 panels a page in order to get through pages faster, and I can't even tell what your argument here is, nine panel grids end up making you need to draw more than 4 or 6 panel pages, but also who knows.
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May 15, 2019 23:45
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The name that leaps to mind for nine panels grids to me is Giffen, and I guess the guy who did the Miracle Man maxi.
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May 16, 2019 00:03
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Kirby worked on sixes way more than on nines
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May 16, 2019 00:23
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Edge & Christian posted:Jack "Wait who said I use nine panel grids and why would I ever want to draw 122 pages a month, that sounds insane and if I ever actually did it I am sure my work and life suffered for it" Kirby endorsed my message first. From the grave. Hypothetically. The month Fantastic Four 1 came out Kirby drew 122 pages for Marvel. In 1962 he drew over 1200 pages for Marvel. Kirby was a machine. Edge & Christian posted:I don't really associate Kirby with nine panel grids; people who love him usually talk about his big panels and his use of double page spreads, not his compact tight nine panel economy. Contemporary bitching about his work from the late 1960s onward was about how he relied too much on splash pages or only doing 3-5 panels a page in order to get through pages faster, and I can't even tell what your argument here is, nine panel grids end up making you need to draw more than 4 or 6 panel pages, but also who knows. It was just a joke about the Stan and Jack's true intention thing. Benito Cereno posted:Kirby worked on sixes way more than on nines I've been reading a lot of 1963 and before Kirby lately and while toward the end of that he's breaking away from a rigid nine, he sticks to it alot with occasional merging of a row into two panels. By the end of the sixties he's definitely more on a six panel layout, though.
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May 16, 2019 00:39
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Scaramouche posted:The name that leaps to mind for nine panels grids to me is Giffen, and I guess the guy who did the Miracle Man maxi. Aja for me but he still varies a lot
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May 16, 2019 00:49
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Random Stranger posted:The month Fantastic Four 1 came out Kirby drew 122 pages for Marvel. In 1962 he drew over 1200 pages for Marvel. Kirby was a machine. As Kirby would tell you, he got paid per page and had a family to support.
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site posted:yeah, i re-read it...i think it was last summer now, and in many ways it is already what we would call Peak Bendis and the strength of the book is mostly carried by the artwork of marc andreyko Bendis drew it, Andreyko co-wrote it I remember telling him that while I liked his writing but I also liked his art and wished he was still drawing stuff at a con in like 2004 or something, when he was still on Daredevil and he gave me a weird look and said something like "no one has ever said that to me before" Lightning Lord fucked around with this message at 03:52 on May 16, 2019 |
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May 16, 2019 03:50
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Ah well then it was carried by his art more than the writing, and yeah he was (is?) a good artist
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May 16, 2019 04:49
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He's a writer, not an artist, but 9 panel comics make me think of Alan Moore more than anything, his biggest works all use that with a variety of artists (Watchmen, League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, From Hell, V for Vendetta sorta)
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May 16, 2019 05:02
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Skwirl posted:He's a writer, not an artist, but 9 panel comics make me think of Alan Moore more than anything, his biggest works all use that with a variety of artists (Watchmen, League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, From Hell, V for Vendetta sorta) Moore can draw too, he did the strip Maxwell the Magic Cat that appeared in a Northampton paper from like the early to mid 80s
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May 16, 2019 05:04
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I'm re-reading Modern Fried Snakes, and I really wish Ryan Armand hadn't disappeared. The dude was like Stan Sakai good.
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https://twitter.com/zdarsky/status/1128991111136120832
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May 16, 2019 14:15
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Several months ago, I mentioned that I had written a scholarly article about what lessons Daredevil comics can teach about legal ethics and the legal system in general, especially to an audience of non-lawyers. It was finally published online today, in the Capital University Law Review. I'm a tenure-track law librarian, and getting scholarly articles written and published is one of the necessary requirements for tenure, which means you either get more job security and stability, or you get fired. Based on getting the article accepted for publication (and the other stuff I do, like teaching classes and chairing committees), our faculty voted to award me tenure earlier this year. And now, after months of editing (both from me and the law review staff), it's finally out. I don't know if anyone here would be interested in reading it, but I promise you the source material is much more exciting than my article. I cited Frank Miller, Brian Michael Bendis, David Hine, Mark Waid, and especially Charles Soule's Daredevil comics extensively, so the article does contain some spoilers from all of their runs. Best of all, I am planning to meet Charles Soule at MegaCon this weekend, both to get him to sign all my Daredevil and She-Hulk TPBs, and to give him a copy of this article (in a nice red folder) and thank him. He's an attorney himself, so hopefully he'll get it. His DD comics in particular inspired me to write this, so I feel like I owe him and all those other creators my job. Here it is, all 56 whopping pages: https://www.capitallawreview.org/ar...-legal-practice
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May 17, 2019 03:20
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congrats on becoming unfireable. time to slack off
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May 17, 2019 03:43
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By which site means take your slacks off and lecture pantsless.
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May 17, 2019 03:46
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Thanks, but if they decide they want to get rid of me, nothing can really stop them.
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May 17, 2019 03:46
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where the hell are they going to find another Superheroes' Ethics & Law professor? go wild
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May 17, 2019 03:59
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Big Bad Voodoo Lou posted:Several months ago, I mentioned that I had written a scholarly article about what lessons Daredevil comics can teach about legal ethics and the legal system in general, especially to an audience of non-lawyers. It was finally published online today, in the Capital University Law Review. I'm a tenure-track law librarian, and getting scholarly articles written and published is one of the necessary requirements for tenure, which means you either get more job security and stability, or you get fired. This is awesome, congratulations!
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May 17, 2019 08:27
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Big Bad Voodoo Lou posted:Best of all, I am planning to meet Charles Soule at MegaCon this weekend, both to get him to sign all my Daredevil and She-Hulk TPBs, and to give him a copy of this article (in a nice red folder) and thank him. He's an attorney himself, so hopefully he'll get it. His DD comics in particular inspired me to write this, so I feel like I owe him and all those other creators my job. 
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Big Bad Voodoo Lou posted:Here it is, all 56 whopping pages: https://www.capitallawreview.org/ar...-legal-practice Cool article. And the best part of having tenure is that unlike Matt Murdock, you would face no significant consequences for becoming a costumed vigilante.
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