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Applebees Appetizer posted:Lol not really, if that was the case my xB would look like a 911. But instead I bought a toaster on wheels because it fit my needs the best for my budget, not because I necessarily like the way it looks. If someone can afford a car I'd place "how it looks and what I imagine myself looking like while driving it" as close to 99% the reason someone picks a car, I do think it's that high.
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I think I'm about to make an irrational choice to buy a 2019/20 STI (ancient EJ and all) even though stuff like the Type R is by all rights the better vehicle. I just don't know if it's better for ME when I already have a BRZ when I want to drive something light on its feet. Sometimes choices don't make sense on paper.
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Maybe if most cars made today had interesting and varying styling I could agree with 99% but In fact most cars have pretty generic styling so I don’t buy it.
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bull3964 posted:I think I'm about to make an irrational choice to buy a 2019/20 STI (ancient EJ and all) even though stuff like the Type R is by all rights the better vehicle. I just don't know if it's better for ME when I already have a BRZ when I want to drive something light on its feet. STI is so ugly tho, dont do it
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May 16, 2019 17:48
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Applebees Appetizer posted:Maybe if most cars made today had interesting and varying styling I could agree with 99% but In fact most cars have pretty generic styling so I don’t buy it. Think lowest common denominator. Interesting is scary.
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May 16, 2019 17:58
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BraveUlysses posted:STI is so ugly tho, dont do it I actually like the styling of the current WRX. I would get it will the lip spoiler though, not the wing. I just think roads around here would utterly destroy the type R (not that I can actually buy one for MSRP anyways) and this is going to be a vehicle I drive in the winter. My full list of impossible requirements are: Sub 6 sec 0-60 Manual Heated Seats Fully keyless entry/push button start Non halogen lights Hatch AWD is preferred but not necessarily required. Golf R is really the only thing that meets all the requirements and I plan on test driving one, but I literally fall asleep looking at it. Otherwise, I either ditch the manual, ditch the hatch, or ditch some creature comforts.
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Residency Evil posted:The more I see Land Cruisers driving around my neighborhood, the more I think "yeah, that seems like a pretty practical way of moving my family around the neighborhood and occasionally going to home depot." They're neat, but just so ungodly expensive in the US. Perfect for someone who is well off but doesn't want to show it though.
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May 16, 2019 20:50
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Paradoxish posted:If you can't get the upgraded engine with a MT then who the gently caress is actual target audience for the manual option? In a large chunk of the world, (This is anecdotal from Quebec, France and the UK versus the US and anglo Canada, but I'm extrapolating to the rest of the world anyway) the idea of spending the extra $2000 on your new little utilitarian econobox to get an automatic transmission is seen by many/most as idiotic and a waste of money. Pretty much every base model Yaris, Civic, Golf, etc is going to be a manual, and once you start getting into more luxury sedans you see a lot more automatics since the people buying them are more likely to tick the AT box along with leather seats, sunroof, Bose speakers, etc. I could be completely full of poo poo though.
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bull3964 posted:Golf R is really the only thing that meets all the requirements and I plan on test driving one, but I literally fall asleep looking at it. Otherwise, I either ditch the manual, ditch the hatch, or ditch some creature comforts. Once you're inside you don't have to look at it. Also you'll stop caring because it's good as all gently caress.
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PT6A posted:Once you're inside you don't have to look at it. Also you'll stop caring because it's good as all gently caress. The inside is also a nice place to be.
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May 16, 2019 21:40
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fknlo posted:The inside is also a nice place to be. Very true. It could use cooled seats for summer and a heated steering wheel/shift knob for winter, but overall I'd give it 9.5/10.
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fknlo posted:How many dealers are actually ordering them? I'm guessing around 3 with the rest being special orders. I wanted to find a manual crosstrek to drive at one point to see how miserable it was and had a couple dealers basically laugh at me. I do see them in manual here in Seattle. I don't have any real scientific proof but as I walk my dog I always look at cars. I even saw a manual 4th gen Forester the other day, but that's a pretty rare sight by my recollection. edit: The other day I saw a manual V6 hatch first-gen Mazda 6. Pretty sure the take rate on that was very low. Mazda said 1% for the wagon at least back in the day.
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PT6A posted:Apparently the manual take rate on VW's Golf-based crossovers is in the range of 40% in Canada. I would absolutely not have guessed that but it makes me happy. VW are a premium (not luxury) brand with a lot of fans, most people here drive a VW because they wanted one, not because it was the cheapest (Korean and American poo poo) or recommended by Consumer Reports (Japanese), but because they care about what they drive. The only other mainstream brand here along the same lines is Mazda, and they’re just starting to move into premium territory. This is a fun thread, but keep in mind that this is an insular thread on an insular minor forum and that a lot of the internal culture here is stupid as hell. This thread/forum does not reflect reality.
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May 16, 2019 23:08
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bull3964 posted:I actually like the styling of the current WRX. I would get it will the lip spoiler though, not the wing.  Well no hatch but it's even better really, you can put infinitely tall stuff in it.
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May 16, 2019 23:09
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The only thing you can't put in a Miata is me. I literally do not fit, it's not possible for me to drive one. 6'3" with 36" inseam. Every year I get in one at the car show and every year I'm reminded that when I cram myself in one, I can't really effectively operate the controls and the top of the windshield frame is nearly in my eyeline.
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bull3964 posted:The only thing you can't put in a Miata is me. I literally do not fit, it's not possible for me to drive one. 6'3" with 36" inseam. So what you need is a lowered blown Escalade with a manual then? 
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May 16, 2019 23:54
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Wheeee posted:VW are a premium (not luxury) brand with a lot of fans, most people here drive a VW because they wanted one, not because it was the cheapest (Korean and American poo poo) or recommended by Consumer Reports (Japanese), but because they care about what they drive. The only other mainstream brand here along the same lines is Mazda, and they’re just starting to move into premium territory. I guess that kind of makes sense, but following that same logic you'd expect the manual take rate on the G70, for example, to be a lot higher than it is.
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May 16, 2019 23:55
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Applebees Appetizer posted:So what you need is a lowered blown Escalade with a manual then? Oh hell no. I fit just fine in normal cars, I've had a helmet on in my WRX before without issue. Just Miatas are abnormally small. I fit in a lotus Elise better than a Miata.
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May 17, 2019 00:08
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Miatas are extremely loving small, even compared to other very small cars, in my experience.
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I'm 6 foot and fit in them just fine, some of you guys are just drat big.
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bull3964 posted:I actually like the styling of the current WRX. I would get it will the lip spoiler though, not the wing. Focus RS, Canadian market Veloster N, 4 banger Kia Stinger with the manual transmission from the G70 swapped in
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Another reason why the take rate on the manual G70's in Canada is that Genesis Canada is absolute garbage. Pretty sure I've ranted about my experience to even test drive one a few months ago. Edit: Phone posting
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PT6A posted:I guess that kind of makes sense, but following that same logic you'd expect the manual take rate on the G70, for example, to be a lot higher than it is. Vastly different audiences. It's like all the internet talk about the Stinger comparing it to Audis, when almost nobody considering an Audi is going to give a gently caress about a cheaper Korean version.
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Wheeee posted:Vastly different audiences. I did, but I don't give a gently caress about badging on my daily.
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PT6A posted:I guess that kind of makes sense, but following that same logic you'd expect the manual take rate on the G70, for example, to be a lot higher than it is. Tying it to the 4 banger doesn't help. The type of person that is going to want a manual is probably going to want the bigger engine as well. I know that's my position and I know I'm not alone there.
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BraveUlysses posted:i have no idea why i want a 4runner to replace my wife's cx-5 but thankfully im not dumb enough to actually go through with it I've been shopping 4Runners to replace my Explorer and I've been pretty happy with them. Didn't really find it cramped, and it felt like it drove just fine. And it's square. SUVs are supposed to be square dammit 
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Kreez posted:In a large chunk of the world, (This is anecdotal from Quebec, France and the UK versus the US and anglo Canada, but I'm extrapolating to the rest of the world anyway) the idea of spending the extra $2000 on your new little utilitarian econobox to get an automatic transmission is seen by many/most as idiotic and a waste of money. Pretty much every base model Yaris, Civic, Golf, etc is going to be a manual, and once you start getting into more luxury sedans you see a lot more automatics since the people buying them are more likely to tick the AT box along with leather seats, sunroof, Bose speakers, etc. Yeah, but the problem is that this isn't true even a little bit for the US market. Automatics are the default at every price point. I'm willing to bet that the number of people choosing a MT in the US to save money is so small that it might as well effectively be zero, even compared to the already tiny number of people that drive stick here to begin with. If you're buying a MT in the US, it's because you want one, and if that's not true then you are an outlier among outliers. The Mazda 6 is kind of a perfect example of this weird as hell mismatch with the US market. The base Mazda 6 with a MT was around $22k. Nobody was pinching so many pennies on a Mazda 6 that they were ditching an AT just to save a few bucks. Hell, you probably couldn't even find one on a Mazda dealership's lot to begin with. The only people who could conceivably want a Mazda 6 with a MT are people who actually want to drive one, and those same people are going to want the turbo engine. Except Mazda only offered the upgraded engine with an AT, so instead nobody bought Mazda 6s with MTs at all.
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Applebees Appetizer posted:I'm 6 foot and fit in them just fine, some of you guys are just drat big. Some people are weirdly huge. I'm 6'1", 190 and I'd heard an NB was absolutely tiny and there was no way I'd fit. I got in one and it was like the proverbial glass slipper... I've never gotten into a car that has fitted so perfectly in every way.
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Paradoxish posted:Yeah, but the problem is that this isn't true even a little bit for the US market. Right but what I wrote explains the existence of these cars in the global marketplace, and since they exist anyway they may as well offer them in the US. At no point is anyone sitting around the table at Mazda deciding to offer a manual on the base model 6 because there's a target market for it in the US, the car just happens to exist already so why not throw it up on the webpage. If the turbo-engined Mazda6 had a worldwide demand for a manual option large enough to make Mazda spend the money on the tooling required, they'd presumably offer it in the US as well, but the demand for that specific combo is limited to car enthusiasts, and there really just aren't enough of those any more (who buy cars anyway) to make anything fun happen, so that combo just doesn't happen anywhere. I know nothing about the auto industry at all, I'm just spitballing. The actual reason for this is probably related to some obscure tax between Japan and Peru that's been in place since pre colombian times that inexplicably has a massive effect on the global auto transmission market.
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I think this is the new grand wagoneer? obv chevy rebadge, but they still say it has an international 6.6 liter turbodiesel v8.
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Kreez posted:Right but what I wrote explains the existence of these cars in the global marketplace, and since they exist anyway they may as well offer them in the US. At no point is anyone sitting around the table at Mazda deciding to offer a manual on the base model 6 because there's a target market for it in the US, the car just happens to exist already so why not throw it up on the webpage. If the turbo-engined Mazda6 had a worldwide demand for a manual option large enough to make Mazda spend the money on the tooling required, they'd presumably offer it in the US as well, but the demand for that specific combo is limited to car enthusiasts, and there really just aren't enough of those any more (who buy cars anyway) to make anything fun happen, so that combo just doesn't happen anywhere. Certification requirements (environmental & safety) are different between North America and the rest of the world. It doesn't make sense to try and certify a car for U.S. rules if you can't sell it. It's too expensive. Although Mazda did certify the Mazda2 but only sells it in Puerto Rico.
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BloodBag posted:I thought the Yaris is the mazda 2 now? It is, but only in sedan form, not hatchback. There's one option to get a Hatchback Mazda 2in the USA, and it's Puerto Rico. https://jalopnik.com/here-is-how-you-an-american-can-legally-own-a-mazda-2-1827293464
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BloodBag posted:I thought the Yaris is the mazda 2 now? True they probably did it to sell as the Scion iA. I guess certification probably works across brands? Also Wikipedia says they were going to launch it in Canada but cancelled that which I didn't remember. But yeah for MY2020 all Yaris are Mazda 2 now, including hatchback. Auto only though.
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Powershift posted:I think this is the new grand wagoneer? Finally, the compact truck segment is making a comeback! I watch traffic go by on my lunch break sometimes (very busy road, where I90 meets I87) and my god it's a neverending dismal river of grayscale CUVs. I know it's old hat to complain about it (cars are stupidly expensive, everyone hates driving but is forced to etc) but outside of the occasional mustang or brodozer it's like East Germany out there. Yes, sir, I know exactly what vehicle perfectly suits me sitting in traffic for 2 hours at 5pm every day, this here silver Nissan Rogue. Can't wait to get this baby out and see how she handles that 4 to 24 mph sprint! I saw an orange car, once. Orange! e: sorry, it was a school bus redgubbinz fucked around with this message at 18:13 on May 17, 2019 |
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Twerk from Home posted:It is, but only in sedan form, not hatchback. There's one option to get a Hatchback Mazda 2in the USA, and it's Puerto Rico. https://jalopnik.com/here-is-how-you-an-american-can-legally-own-a-mazda-2-1827293464 Holy poo poo I really want to do this
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Charles posted:Certification requirements (environmental & safety) are different between North America and the rest of the world. It doesn't make sense to try and certify a car for U.S. rules if you can't sell it. It's too expensive. Although Mazda did certify the Mazda2 but only sells it in Puerto Rico. Right, that's my whole argument, that they're developing and certifying base model manuals for sale in Quebec (and PR, and maybe other small markets aligned with the US for certification if there are any, I don't know) where they'll sell enough base model manuals to make up for the costs of certification and tooling and what not. Since they have them developed and certified anyway, may as well sell them across NA. In no market will they sell enough manuals on higher level engines/trims to make up for the costs, so we don't see them anywhere. Kreez fucked around with this message at 18:54 on May 17, 2019 |
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Okay, guys. I’m getting the M340i. Thanks for helping me with the sober second thought. I think I’ll lease it though. If the reliability sucks I’ll trade it in for a sporty Honda Civic or Toyota or wait for an LCI and buy that instead.
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Does Toyota sell the Mazda Yaris with a manual? Because I would like to get a feel for the car with the skyactiv engine in it, I would hope it has more power than the last Mazda 2.
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