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The fundamental idea-"sure we have Cersei at our mercy right now, but let's bring a zombie to KL instead. Cersei will see the light, totally help us out, and not at all try to stab us in the back or use the time to strengthen her position"-seems pretty nuts. Tyrion's season 6-8 actions have been so consistently stupid that it would almost make more sense if he was actively working as a double agent for Cersei. I dunno, maybe he was underwater long enough during the stone men encounter to suffer serious brain damage and nobody noticed?
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Ivan Shitskin posted:Why because they can resist the ring? Still no reason to let the non-Frodo ones go with them when the literal entire world is at stake, like the two that were spying on the meeting and just barge in like "we're going too!" and the big elf man is like "oh ok sure why not" and then they nearly get everyone killed multiple times because of it. I mean, it's a pretty good job they took Sam...
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That DICK! posted:I miss when Tyrion was good I miss when he hosed.
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May 18, 2019 02:30
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May 18, 2019 02:36
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The Little Kielbasa posted:The fundamental idea-"sure we have Cersei at our mercy right now, but let's bring a zombie to KL instead. Cersei will see the light, totally help us out, and not at all try to stab us in the back or use the time to strengthen her position"-seems pretty nuts. Yeah I don't know what people are smoking. It's a really dumb plan that required everyone and everything to act out of character, hell, out of universe, to generate the circumstance "Night King obtains a dragon". That's it, the only reason for that entire plan and they went about it in a really stupid way.
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Away all Goats posted:Yeah I don't know what people are smoking. It's a really dumb plan that required everyone and everything to act out of character, hell, out of universe, to generate the circumstance "Night King obtains a dragon". That's it, the only reason for that entire plan and they went about it in a really stupid way. Sending a dragon was dumb yea. But Jon believes Cersei thinks the whole white walkers thing was a joke/ a lie to trick her and believing he needed physical proof to convince her, so that she'd put the fate of humanity over a crown isn't dumb from a writing point of view at all. It's totally in his character, and his character does some stupid poo poo because he believes it's the right thing to do. It's his nature to hope for the best in people. Same reasoning applies for why he tells Sasna the truth about his parentage even though we know she'll spill the beans. edit: though it is dumb in hindsight, sending the dragon when they believed the White Walkers had zero anti dragon tech wasn't the worst decision as it was the only way they'd get back so fast (though why they didnt use the teleportation tech available to everyone else in the show i'm not sure). It's like sending a jet against a primitive tribe, you dont expect the tribe to have AA missiles. Just Chamber fucked around with this message at 03:15 on May 18, 2019 |
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May 18, 2019 02:41
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They should have let the zombie eat Cersei at the parlay like it tried to do.
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May 18, 2019 02:54
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Just Chamber posted:Eh the guy asking for s4 info formatted it that way, so i simply kept the format. Probably also decreases the chance when trying not to read the rest of the thread they accidentally read something that ruins the rest of the series as all the future spoilers are out in the open. Thanks.
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May 18, 2019 02:57
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Just Chamber posted:Sending a dragon was dumb yea. But Jon believing Cersei thinks the whole white walkers thing was a joke/ a lie to trick her and believing he needed physical proof to convince her, that she'd put the fate of humanity over a crown isn't dumb from a writing point of view at all. It's totally in his character, and his character does some stupid poo poo because he believes it's the right thing to do. It's his nature to hope for the best in people. Same reasoning applies for why he tells Sasna the truth about his parentage even though we know she'll spill the beans. Right, and there should have been a chorus of dissent from Varys, Tyrion, Davos, Jorah and basically everyone else with more sense that it's a really, really stupid plan. Instead Tyrion, the person who knows Cersei the best, agrees with the mission and they set off with no actual plan beyond "capture zombie". They don't even have an escape plan because they don't bring any horses. They were just gonna sneak up on one and sprint away on foot from the rest of the army? I'm gonna stop posting about this because its actually just making me upset at how stupid it is.
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The Little Kielbasa posted:The fundamental idea-"sure we have Cersei at our mercy right now, but let's bring a zombie to KL instead. Cersei will see the light, totally help us out, and not at all try to stab us in the back or use the time to strengthen her position"-seems pretty nuts. They didn't even want Cersei's help at first, they just wanted her to not attack their rear while they dealt with the zombies. Technically she did no less than what they wanted. If there was ever a blueprint for a full season 8 (I know, I know) they might have had Cersei actually betray them or take advantage of the distraction and do more than hire up a bunch of mercenaries. Instead she spun her wheels like the writers did until it was time to punch out and go home.
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Yeah but have you met people and seen the plans they come up with to accomplish goals? Everyone is loving moronic.
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For example, the famous and professional show runners who produced several good seasons of Game of Thrones also produced several awful seasons of Game of Thrones.
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Yea they do at least convince Cersei not to stab them in the back whilst they move their armies to defend Winterfell as she knows the threat is real, but she's gambling that both armies are going to kill each other off. Tyrion acting dumb and not realising she wouldn't keep her word is however yes, very stupid and it's a shame they made him basically an idiot for the last few seasons. I can excuse them coming up with the plan to nab a zombie because they're desperate for help, Dany is still sane and prefers the idea of a peaceful resolution to the conflict "I dont wish to be Queen of the ashes" and they know if they attack the Lannisters first they likely will be too depleted to defend from the WW and if they dont convince Cersei it's real they're going to get turbo hosed in the rear. But yes how they went about it as you said with no horses etc was pretty stupid though i'm not sure horses are shown to be able to survive beyond the wall so who knows. Also remember Benjen Stark being in that episode? I didn't and was just reminded by a wiki, wow what a pointless death/ character.
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May 18, 2019 03:09
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I saw an interview with Pilou Asbaek that someone had run through google translate, and apparently the reason Euron wanted to fight Jaime when he made it to land was because DnD thought it would be cool to have their two Danish actors have a fight scene. Woof.
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LadyPictureShow posted:I saw an interview with Pilou Asbaek that someone had run through google translate, and apparently the reason Euron wanted to fight Jaime when he made it to land was because DnD thought it would be cool to have their two Danish actors have a fight scene. Yeah on the behind the scenes video uploaded to Youtube they dubbed it the Danebowl. Like, that was the entire hook for that scene. E: gently caress Euron was such a garbage character Colonel Whitey fucked around with this message at 03:21 on May 18, 2019 |
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May 18, 2019 03:18
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There is the love triangle angle but that was very underdeveloped considering Euron doesn't even react to learning that the child is not his.
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"Well you see, we just forgot that the fans didn't care about Euron"
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May 18, 2019 03:32
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It's going to loving rule when everyone that was left up north are just never mentioned again in the finale, just forgotten and their plotlines hosed off.
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GoutPatrol posted:It's going to loving rule when everyone that was left up north are just never mentioned again in the finale, just forgotten and their plotlines hosed off. If we dont see that fat cowardly gently caress Sam again i'll be very happy. Sansa has to come down right? To act all smug once Dany is deposed. I have a feeling Brienne will come down, maybe have her duel Grey Worm or something, because if she doesn't come down looking for Jaime then that's some bullshit. Bran I dont even know if they have any idea what to with him after the NK is defeated, maybe warg into the dragon? Explain to Jon why for some reason he didnt warn him that his aunt was going to burn 500000 men women and children alive? Who's left? Gendry? Maybe Gendry could be made king as he'll be the next in line if Jon and Dany kick it, I think? But that would be such a lovely ending because who the hell wants to see him on the throne? Who else? Just Chamber fucked around with this message at 04:19 on May 18, 2019 |
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May 18, 2019 03:59
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If they really needed a scenario where the Night King gets a dragon, they could have just made it a suicide mission. Same squad of people, with the goal of trying to end the night before it begins. Possibly doing it behind Dany’s back. Possibly not, wouldn’t matter. At some point Dany goes soft and flies north with her stupid dragons to rescue the lot. And Viserion gets killed. Still dumb but a heck lot better than capturing a wight for a queensmeet.
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Just Chamber posted:Sansa has to come down right? To act all smug once Dany is desposed. She’s going to come down for the Star Wars-like award ceremony conclusion where everyone smiles and congratulates each other.
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May 18, 2019 04:18
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The last episode will be a love letter to the real (book) fans, and just be Riker in a holodeck simulation of Hot Pie's kitchen eating Direwolf bread and lemon cakes for 80 minutes.
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Irony Be My Shield posted:There is the love triangle angle but that was very underdeveloped considering Euron doesn't even react to learning that the child is not his. Apparently that's because the actor went for the "I only read my lines so that my reaction in the moment can be genuine" angle and legitimately couldn't hear Peter Dinklage from that far away.
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christmas boots posted:Apparently that's because the actor went for the "I only read my lines so that my reaction in the moment can be genuine" angle and legitimately couldn't hear Peter Dinklage from that far away. If only there was some way to employ a person to provide some sort of "direction" as to how he reacted if the first take was inappropriate.
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May 18, 2019 04:42
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christmas boots posted:Apparently that's because the actor went for the "I only read my lines so that my reaction in the moment can be genuine" angle and legitimately couldn't hear Peter Dinklage from that far away. He called it the “Michael Caine method” which is a funny reason for not having any idea what’s happening in the scene you’re in.
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Colonel Whitey posted:Yeah on the behind the scenes video uploaded to Youtube they dubbed it the Danebowl. Like, that was the entire hook for that scene. I liked Euron, mostly because he seemed like he wandered into the set from a different show and everyone just rolled with it, like 'Yeah, fuckin whatever. We got a greasy pajama pirate now.' 'Euron fighting Jaime would be cool! We could call it the Danebowl, you know like the Cleganebowl!' 'That doesn't make any sense.' 'But it would be so cool!'
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LadyPictureShow posted:I liked Euron, mostly because he seemed like he wandered into the set from a different show and everyone just rolled with it, like 'Yeah, fuckin whatever. We got a greasy pajama pirate now.' Exactly! I really didn't mind him at all on my last rewatch, he's stupid and fun and he never buttons his shirt properly, and he just appears from nowhere and does whatever he wants and is motivated solely by wanting to gently caress Cersei, which is certainly a reasonable and straightforward goal. My favorite part was when his ships appear in the middle of Yara's fleet and he smashes down in this ridiculous boarding plank with a huge grin on his face, then kills Whippy Snake and Stabby Snake and snatches up Titty Snake and their mom to be tortured to death by Cersei (which is proper foreshadowing that he's going to eventually gently caress Cersei.)
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Phenotype posted:Exactly! I really didn't mind him at all on my last rewatch, he's stupid and fun and he never buttons his shirt properly, and he just appears from nowhere and does whatever he wants and is motivated solely by wanting to gently caress Cersei, which is certainly a reasonable and straightforward goal. My favorite part was when his ships appear in the middle of Yara's fleet and he smashes down in this ridiculous boarding plank with a huge grin on his face, then kills Whippy Snake and Stabby Snake and snatches up Titty Snake and their mom to be tortured to death by Cersei (which is proper foreshadowing that he's going to eventually gently caress Cersei.) Well yes of course he's fun, but he belongs in a Pirates of The Caribbean movie not Game of Thrones.
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Euron's problem is much the same as with the character he replaced: Ramsay. They're fun characters for a bit , but their shtick gets old fast, and the writers got way too indulgent with them.
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May 18, 2019 05:19
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This season is dumb as gently caress but I have no idea why people are latching onto the Danebowl thing so much. Seems pretty obvious to me that it's just a play on Cleganebowl when they realized their two Danish actors would have a showdown
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ALFbrot posted:This season is dumb as gently caress but I have no idea why people are latching onto the Danebowl thing so much. Seems pretty obvious to me that it's just a play on Cleganebowl when they realized their two Danish actors would have a showdown Because it's shite that a twat like Euron (essentially) killed Jaime loving Lannister  edit: changed it from bitch to twat, Bronn style Just Chamber fucked around with this message at 05:36 on May 18, 2019 |
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May 18, 2019 05:34
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Jaime probably would’ve had the same exact death, stab wound or not
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They should have had Victarion If Sauron wasn't a loving idiot then getting your enemy to deliver the ring right to you is otherwise a pretty brilliant move.
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It is kind of funny to read people trying to good-faith interpret anything about this dumpster fire season when y'all know in your hearts the only revisions any script got were "Is this gonna get me back home by 4?" and "can I fit one of my cool celeb buddies in"
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Darkrenown posted:I mean, it's a pretty good job they took Sam... Irony Be My Shield posted:There is the love triangle angle but that was very underdeveloped considering Euron doesn't even react to learning that the child is not his. christmas boots posted:Apparently that's because the actor went for the "I only read my lines so that my reaction in the moment can be genuine" angle and legitimately couldn't hear Peter Dinklage from that far away.
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As Nero Danced posted:They didn't even want Cersei's help at first, they just wanted her to not attack their rear while they dealt with the zombies. Technically she did no less than what they wanted. What more could she have really done though? Her options were basically go up and try to attack the North during the ice zombie battle, or wait for one side to weaken the other and come down to King's Landing where she can use the iron fleet against them
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Bip Roberts posted:I mean nothing that happened this season is as dumb as jons quest to kidnap a zombie was last season. Yes. That episode got some criticism at the time but it still has a relatively high score on imdb.com (9.0) and on Rotten Tomatoes (84%). It's substantially worse than anything this season, there practically isn't a single entertaining or memorable thing about it, the action is boring and lovely, uninvolving, and it really was just a dumb excuse to do an avengers-style teamup with 'cool people of westeros' or something. Pedro De Heredia fucked around with this message at 08:20 on May 18, 2019 |
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As Nero Danced posted:They didn't even want Cersei's help at first, they just wanted her to not attack their rear while they dealt with the zombies. Technically she did no less than what they wanted.
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Pedro De Heredia posted:Yes. That episode got some criticism at the time but it still has a relatively high score on imdb.com (9.0) and on Rotten Tomatoes (84%). It's substantially worse than anything this season, there practically isn't a single entertaining or memorable thing about it, the action is boring and lovely, uninvolving, and it really was just a dumb excuse to do an avengers-style teamup with 'cool people of westeros' or something. I get the sense that a single bad episode can be saved by Goodwill Inertia from its fans. Lord knows GOT was going downhill a lot earlier than when the bad user reviews started snowballing.
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