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I don't really care about geographical consistency, although it can sometimes be jarring if a character moves a long way between scenes without much of a transition (eg Dany moving all the way from Winterfell to Dragonstone in The Last of the Starks). Blackwater is an excellent episode of television and its conclusion feels very earned to me.
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May 18, 2019 23:41
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yeah the episode rules. just sucks that doing dumb poo poo seems to mostly only cause the less evil side side/characters to suffer. (also grrm's fault for making a map. he didn't need to include that in the book.)
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May 18, 2019 23:46
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All Rob had to do was not let Theon go to the Iron Islands
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May 19, 2019 00:05
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All Jon had to do was gently caress his aunt
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May 19, 2019 00:12
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bobjr posted:All Rob had to do was not let Theon go to the Iron Islands or marry a frey. edmure even ended up with a cute one. the best part of rewatching the show is being able to skip all the bran bullshit.
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May 19, 2019 00:14
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The REAL Goobusters posted:tv reviewers really are worse than video game reviewers lol, like its hilarious but its true Just a reminder that the Bad Pussy episode won the Emmy for best writing.
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May 19, 2019 00:14
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Groovelord Neato posted:the best part of rewatching the show is being able to skip all the bran bullshit. The best part about the books too
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May 19, 2019 00:16
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The show even does it for you by cutting his story for a whole year.
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May 19, 2019 00:26
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Groovelord Neato posted:or marry a frey. edmure even ended up with a cute one. I feel like the fact he rejected Roslyn pissed Walder off even more "I'm offering you like the best genetic role this family has ever got, and you are still going to shun me?!" The show makes it worse because Talisa is just some foreign commoner, where as at least in the books the Westerlings at least are minor nobility.
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May 19, 2019 00:36
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i can't remember was robb even trying to become the king of the seven kingdoms or were they just rebelling and wanting independence
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May 19, 2019 00:43
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Book Robb might not be a smart but there he got injured and learned Bran/Rickon were killed and did a dumb move out of grief, and made the dumb Ned move of marrying her because of honor. Show Robb just was all in on thinking with his dick
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May 19, 2019 00:44
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yeah the show makes robb way dumber.Stefan Prodan posted:i can't remember was robb even trying to become the king of the seven kingdoms or were they just rebelling and wanting independence wanted an independent north. wildest part in my rewatch is realizing the slave master that talked mad poo poo about daenerys not knowing she spoke valyrian was tim driscoll from deadwood.
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May 19, 2019 00:45
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The weirdest thing to me about Ros is she got cast on a fantasy tv show full of gorgeous people and got stuck dressing like the old time fuddy duddy she was. I kept expecting magicians to nod to her GOT roots with Penny but nope
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May 19, 2019 00:46
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Groovelord Neato posted:yeah the show makes robb way dumber. it was wild to me to realize that the guy that bullock is hanging in the opening scene of deadwood was Dewey Crowe on Justified
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May 19, 2019 00:48
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I was just thinking about who could get the Throne tomorrow and it stuck me how stupid it was for Dany to make Gendry Lord of Storm's End. She legitimised him as Robert's son...which means he also has a claim to the Iron throne, a stronger claim than either Jon or Dany really since Robert booted them out and at the time they still hadn't taken the south. And while Robert was a pretty poo poo king, he was poo poo in a way that only the movers and shakers in the the kingdom knew about. For everyone else he overthrew the mad king, put down the Iron isle's revolt, and was otherwise pretty chill and threw lots of parties, and everything went to poo poo after he died. A lot of people would likely be quite keen on having his heir take the throne, especially after Dany just committed the greatest warcrime in history. He's also a minor hero at this point, having gone beyond the wall, was directly responsible for getting Dany to save Jon and co, and fought at Winterfell against the dead. For someone who is so worried about Jon's claim it's a pretty strange move.
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May 19, 2019 00:57
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Darkrenown posted:I was just thinking about who could get the Throne tomorrow and it stuck me how stupid it was for Dany to make Gendry Lord of Storm's End. She legitimised him as Robert's son...which means he also has a claim to the Iron throne, a stronger claim than either Jon or Dany really since Robert booted them out and at the time they still hadn't taken the south. And while Robert was a pretty poo poo king, he was poo poo in a way that only the movers and shakers in the the kingdom knew about. For everyone else he overthrew the mad king, put down the Iron isle's revolt, and was otherwise pretty chill and threw lots of parties, and everything went to poo poo after he died. A lot of people would likely be quite keen on having his heir take the throne, especially after Dany just committed the greatest warcrime in history. He's also a minor hero at this point, having gone beyond the wall, was directly responsible for getting Dany to save Jon and co, and fought at Winterfell against the dead. She should have ganked him and Jon the same night. Absolutely no purpose to letting them survive the battle, and the undead even give a plausible excuse.
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May 19, 2019 01:00
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Darkrenown posted:I was just thinking about who could get the Throne tomorrow and it stuck me how stupid it was for Dany to make Gendry Lord of Storm's End. She legitimised him as Robert's son...which means he also has a claim to the Iron throne, a stronger claim than either Jon or Dany really since Robert booted them out and at the time they still hadn't taken the south. And while Robert was a pretty poo poo king, he was poo poo in a way that only the movers and shakers in the the kingdom knew about. For everyone else he overthrew the mad king, put down the Iron isle's revolt, and was otherwise pretty chill and threw lots of parties, and everything went to poo poo after he died. A lot of people would likely be quite keen on having his heir take the throne, especially after Dany just committed the greatest warcrime in history. He's also a minor hero at this point, having gone beyond the wall, was directly responsible for getting Dany to save Jon and co, and fought at Winterfell against the dead. The way it it was written it was to secure a Stormlands that will always be loyal to the Targ crown, which Dany did on her own and admittedly isn't a bad idea: Gendry owes her both his new life and his new title, and he is a lot less likely to pursue his claim against her. It reminded me of savvy Dany from early on where she convinced Merreen's slaves to turn against the Masters with a single duel and a grand gesture, or her outwitting the Astapor Unsullied guy or seizing the leadership of the Dothraki The way they write Dany in the later seasons is so god drat dumb because they act like she needs her advisors to keep her in line because she is prone to rash acts and isn't good at politics without them, when the results prove that her bold but more often harsh strategy loving works every time (which again is just bad writing) Like we never see a time where her not listening to Tyrion or Varys had any bad consequences so she trusts them because of that, where as we see any number of fuckups they directly cause. Dany was not a moron without Tyrion, and she had far more success at least in the show without him than with him Edit: I guess thinking about it Barristan dying was somewhat a Dany fuckup, but really not even. TulliusCicero fucked around with this message at 01:14 on May 19, 2019 |
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May 19, 2019 01:06
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Gendry also isn't exactly the type to rise up against Dany either.
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May 19, 2019 01:07
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Now I want a Raylan Givens in Westeros crossover show.
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May 19, 2019 01:08
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bobjr posted:Gendry also isn't exactly the type to rise up against Dany either.
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May 19, 2019 01:09
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I don't think theres anybody left that has not betrayed Danys, even Davos helped the infiltration of jaime to rescue cersei from herself
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May 19, 2019 01:16
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Is it any wonder? Every alliance she made in Westeros was built on hatred for the Lannisters (High Garden and Dorne) or a desperate need to stave off the literal embodiment of death (The North). Not a single *I'll give you Varys and Tyrion. But Tyrion's been drinking mercury, and Varys aired his doubts and got killed for it.
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May 19, 2019 01:33
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tooterfish posted:Is it any wonder? Every alliance she made in Westeros was built on hatred for the Lannisters (High Garden and Dorne) or a desperate need to stave off the literal embodiment of death (The North). Dorne also ended up doing jack poo poo the entire war; you guys could march up through the empty Stormlands or the Reach, but nope don't worry, that big untouched army is just waiting on Yara's fleet; any day now!  I like to think the entire Martell army and Arianne and Darkstar are just chilling in Sunspear, waiting months looking at the docks for that fleet to arrive
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May 19, 2019 01:40
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bobjr posted:and learned Bran/Rickon were killed This reminds me of another idiotic, nonsensical change the show made: having Catelyn release Jaime before learning of her sons' 'deaths.'
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May 19, 2019 01:43
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What was Varys' plan in the first place? There's no Blackfyre to secretly support, was he really supporting loving Viserys early on? I guess you could ask the same about Littlefinger. He had no clue what to do since the instant his book material ended. We never learned his endgame because there never was one.
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May 19, 2019 01:46
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Elman posted:What was Varys' plan in the first place? There's no Blackfyre to secretly support, was he really supporting loving Viserys early on? Littlefinger was going to have potentially 3 Kingdoms under his thumb and probably let the Lannisters destroy themselves and Dany and Aegon duke it out, and he plays both sides.
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May 19, 2019 01:51
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Elman posted:I guess you could ask the same about Littlefinger. He had no clue what to do since the instant his book material ended. We never learned his endgame because there never was one. He just wanted to gently caress most eligible lady stark.
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May 19, 2019 01:51
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Bip Roberts posted:He just wanted to gently caress most eligible lady stark. Oh so that's who show euron is based on
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May 19, 2019 01:52
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Groovelord Neato posted:yeah the episode rules. just sucks that doing dumb poo poo seems to mostly only cause the less evil side side/characters to suffer. It's probably because Neil Marshall directed Battle of Blackwater and did pretty well with the limited budget. Plus the overall flow of the battle makes sense especially from a strategy point of view.
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May 19, 2019 01:53
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TulliusCicero posted:Littlefinger was going to have potentially 3 Kingdoms under his thumb and probably let the Lannisters destroy themselves and Dany and Aegon duke it out, and he plays both sides. Yeah but in the show he fucks it up by giving Sansa away to a Lannister ally and then sitting on his rear end for 3 seasons.
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May 19, 2019 01:55
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Bip Roberts posted:He just wanted to gently caress most eligible lady stark. That reminds me, a friend of mine got invited to an actors' bar in London as a +1 and ended up doing exactly that.
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May 19, 2019 02:14
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Captain Splendid posted:That reminds me, a friend of mine got invited to an actors' bar in London as a +1 and ended up doing exactly that. Sophie Turner? Noice
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May 19, 2019 02:17
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bobjr posted:Gendry also isn't exactly the type to rise up against Dany either. As someone else already said, neither is Jon, but she is upset about his claim becoming known and worried about people supporting him over her. The same should be true for Gendry since he's the natural choice now for anyone who: Doesn't want a Targ back, liked Robert's reign, wants a puppet-king, or just supports the "rightful" heir. But not only is she not at all worried about people supporting him, she opening proclaims him as Robert's son in front of everyone in Winterfell. E: gently caress, it really doesn't make him have a claim, it should really make Gendry the king by default. He's now Robert's eldest living legitimate son, Cersai is just some king of regent of "Robert's" kids since that's still the official position AFAIK. Darkrenown fucked around with this message at 02:22 on May 19, 2019 |
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May 19, 2019 02:17
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Just Chamber posted:Sophie Turner? Noice No, no, the other Lady Stark.
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May 19, 2019 02:27
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Stefan Prodan posted:i can't remember was robb even trying to become the king of the seven kingdoms or were they just rebelling and wanting independence They were just trying to save his dad and then get revenge. "King of the north" was just a consequence of that.
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May 19, 2019 02:28
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Darkrenown posted:As someone else already said, neither is Jon, but she is upset about his claim becoming known and worried about people supporting him over her. The same should be true for Gendry since he's the natural choice now for anyone who: Doesn't want a Targ back, liked Robert's reign, wants a puppet-king, or just supports the "rightful" heir. But not only is she not at all worried about people supporting him, she opening proclaims him as Robert's son in front of everyone in Winterfell. I think before she goes full maniac, Gendry isnt a threat to her and she knows it. He might be a legitimised bastard but he's still a bastard in the eyes of everyone and in Westeros that has some very negative connotations, he has zero noble background, was merely a blacksmith etc and he's the son of Robert who I think a lot of the major houses disliked. As opposed to Dany who literally saved the Kingdom, has essentially destroyed the lannisters, (perhaps the most hated House in Westeros), is a legit heir to a throne usurped due to madness of one King and not because the Targaryens were ever hated as there were quite a lot of houses fond of them, many of them were beloved by everyone. Ofc anyone with some claim is dangerous, but I think she believes no one with any sort of power would ever get behind him and she's likely right. He's an island on his own and owes her everything. In that sense Jon really is the only likely threat to her as he is both a Targ and saved everyone and has many many people already supporting him, he's managed to shed the stain of being a bastard in most people's eyes. I think now that she's full crazy people will be clamoring for alternatives and Gendry is definetly the next in line of Jon refuses the throne and it would be amazing if she straight up kills him next episode after she realises. Just Chamber fucked around with this message at 03:02 on May 19, 2019 |
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May 19, 2019 02:31
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Darkrenown posted:
If you're being legalistic like that, I don't think it does. Gendry is only legitimate if Dany is the legitimate queen, but if she's the legitimate queen that means Robert's children don't have a claim (except an indirect one as distant Targ relations). Jon's different because he's a Targ with a superior claim. If Dany's crown is legitimate, he should actually be the king.
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Darkrenown posted:Michelle Fairley? Bran
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