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My reading of it is that a) the W&G core book will get a reprint with errata and revisions (excellent news as far as I'm concerned) and b) the supplement line will revisit subject matter the FFG line did, so we might be looking at supplements focused on Rogue Trader action or the Calixis Sector or whatever.
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The important question is it worth buying a copy of Wrath and Glory?
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May 16, 2019 16:35
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Well, that's certainly news.
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May 16, 2019 16:40
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Relevant Tangent posted:I really feel like d100 +/- XX is a reasonable system. I've been running RT for a couple of years and haven't had to hack together too much. I agree about the legibility stuff, you should be able to read the books you paid for. d100 systems are perfectly fine, see Warhammer Fantasy, they just made a few big mistakes in their changes to it that kind of poisoned the whole thing for the entirety of their run.
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May 16, 2019 16:42
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MizPiz posted:The important question is it worth buying a copy of Wrath and Glory?
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May 16, 2019 16:48
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Yeah, WHRP 4th is a beautiful product so this is definitely a good move. It will still need a big jump in flavor to get me to play WanG over Black Crusade or Rogue Trader but I am definitely much more interested in the line now. Just give me the Fall of the Eldar book and archetypes for more aspect warriors and I am there.
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May 16, 2019 16:56
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With this C7 has all the Warhammer RPG's. WHFRP 4e, Age of Sigmar Soulbound and now Wrath and Glory now.
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May 16, 2019 16:58
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Lord_Hambrose posted:Yeah, WHRP 4th is a beautiful product so this is definitely a good move. It will still need a big jump in flavor to get me to play WanG over Black Crusade or Rogue Trader but I am definitely much more interested in the line now.
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May 16, 2019 17:11
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Oh for sure. The One Ring books are great at capturing the flavor of the books, so I am sure it is in better hands. I don't love the base system in WanG but not to the point that I wouldn't play it.
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May 16, 2019 17:14
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From a refereeing perspective I'd much rather run the W&G system, not least because the NPC/monster stats have all the information you need right there on the page - no more running around in the book looking up all the talent and trait descriptions to work out what the gently caress a particular creature can do. I have some affection for the atmosphere of 1st edition DH and would be inclined to use that for an Inquisition game which really focused on the core book's "grubby acolytes working for the man"/"40K WFRP" style, but would want to use W&G for anything else the FFG games did because the more they moved away from that, the shakier the scaffolding got.
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One thing I've always been curious about: How exactly did the Black Crusade character creation and skill/feat selection work? I've dabbled in all the FFG 40k games but I never touched Black Crusade without heavy houseruling and outright ignoring stuff about how god allegiance worked. It felt like one of the worst things in the series. IIRC, for instance, lots of important melee skills were split up between Slaanesh and Khorne allignment, making it prohibitively expensive to get them all. And I never got to see how Marine/Human balance worked/didn't work. Like, one promising-seeming, but dead-on-arrival game someone tried a few years ago was "Black Crusade, but you're 30k era Thousand Sons chapter serfs fighting Space Wolf serfs" and it seemed like it would work because was basically just actually Only War rules, with mutation poo poo tacked on. Ogryn were reflavored as Tzaangors, or something. Edit: Would it be possible to get a very brief explanation of the One Ring RPG? How's it set up? Like, is magic even a thing you can do, considering how LotR is so low magic that basically nobody not mentioned in the books can even use it?
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I always had a lot of fun with Black Crusade. It is basically Rogue Trader with Space Marines. I actually like that you have to make an effort to be devoted to a particular God and can't just take all the optimal stuff. I get why people wouldn't like it, but it does add flavor. If you are really serving one God for the sweet bonuses and cost reductions it makes the out of God purchases more meaningful too. But I would never mix CSM and humans unless you know there is no way for them to be balanced in combat. My most successful campaign was all CSM except the one human who played the ship captain who drove everyone around.
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Liquid Dinosaur posted:Edit: Would it be possible to get a very brief explanation of the One Ring RPG? How's it set up? Like, is magic even a thing you can do, considering how LotR is so low magic that basically nobody not mentioned in the books can even use it? One Ring is a game about taking the thing that D&D most takes for granted--traveling--and turning that into most of the game (scouting, foraging, marching). Having a good mix of traveling skills is critical in the party, with some being borderline necessary for everyone to have. Your basic tradeoff for heavy armor is more difficult traveling. Various social skills are also important and again much more defined than D&D. You're going to want to outwit or impress during social encounters, using a variety of very Tolkien skill techniques, and it helps to have an idea of what will actually work on the character you are talking to. It's generally very low magic. Smoking is a skill. Use herbs on your wounds. You can invest in a couple of trees when you are leveling up, basically Valor (I'm Aragorn!) and Wisdom (I'm Gandalf!) IIRC. The combat is probably the only dissatisfying part, because it's overly complicated for what it's trying to do, especially if you are GMing (the way they wrote monsters for GM use is terrible), and it's not a game where combat's going to be much different from fight to fight due to meta considerations and the relatively small amount of monsters. It uses a d12 system with its own unique dice. If you roll the Eye of Sauron (11) something bad happens and maybe your heart gets filled with a little more elemental darkness until you find a way to chill at Rivendell or something or you become inconsolably sad/insane. If you roll Gandalf (12) you did the thing heroically. If you have a group that just wants to kill poo poo during an elfgame with their sick build they'll find the game tedious. If you have a group that's very into Lord of the Rings and wants to have a game that really captures what the books are about (plotting routes through or around the enchanted forest? what kind of social guile should I use to make friends with Gimli? how can I use Smoking to solve this problem?), you're in business.
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Lord_Hambrose posted:I always had a lot of fun with Black Crusade. It is basically Rogue Trader with Space Marines. I actually like that you have to make an effort to be devoted to a particular God and can't just take all the optimal stuff. I get why people wouldn't like it, but it does add flavor. If you are really serving one God for the sweet bonuses and cost reductions it makes the out of God purchases more meaningful too. I always wanted to run a Black Crusade game where the players were running two parties - the human-scale ones they played most of the time, who'd infiltrate places and sow the seeds of rebellion, and then when the human PCs pulled the trigger on the revolution the action would switch to the CSM PCs, who'd get to go in and punch in the poo poo of everyone (with the human-scale PCs' accomplishments affecting how tough the CSM's job was).
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Cubicle 7 still has the insane "advantage" system in WFRP, which they don't want to errata to make it not stupidly OP.
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Warthur posted:I always wanted to run a Black Crusade game where the players were running two parties - the human-scale ones they played most of the time, who'd infiltrate places and sow the seeds of rebellion, and then when the human PCs pulled the trigger on the revolution the action would switch to the CSM PCs, who'd get to go in and punch in the poo poo of everyone (with the human-scale PCs' accomplishments affecting how tough the CSM's job was). I really like that idea. Works really well with Alpha Legion or Word Bearers having agents/cultists seed the planet first.
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chin up everything sucks posted:Cubicle 7 still has the insane "advantage" system in WFRP, which they don't want to errata to make it not stupidly OP. Yeah. From a production standpoint, the new WFRP is nice, but some of the mechanical changes they made are weird and fiddly and don't seem that well tested. Like, I get that people find all the whiffing in WFRP a bit frustrating, but their fix is not worth all the added overhead.
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chin up everything sucks posted:Cubicle 7 still has the insane "advantage" system in WFRP, which they don't want to errata to make it not stupidly OP. They have several variants in the Core Book to cap it and make it less powerful.
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chin up everything sucks posted:Cubicle 7 still has the insane "advantage" system in WFRP, which they don't want to errata to make it not stupidly OP. Use the optional rule to cap it by Initiative and it's not OP. It can also be removed with ranged attacks and outnumbering. Edit: also don't forget a miss can still crit. Jack B Nimble fucked around with this message at 13:13 on May 17, 2019 |
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Yeah as someone who's been actually playing whfrpg with the advantage system (capped by Initiative) for like a dozen + sessions, it's very good.
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Challenge: construct the backstory of a 40k character using one sentence. I'll go first. Veteran of the Flavor Wars.
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"Your attempts to reorganize our filing system are heretical and shall be punished."
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Lord Awkward posted:"Your attempts to reorganize our filing system are heretical and shall be punished." "Your resistance to our attempts to reorganize our filing system is heretical and shall be punished."
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"Ended the Filing Wars devastating his homeworld by burning the archives to the ground, made an acolyte and taken offworld minutes ahead of his torturous death."
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Rogue AI cherubim swarm.
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"Hey Pa, I'm hearing voices and seeing things and why are you running away from me?"
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"Inquisitor of the Ordo Oshaus"
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SardonicTyrant posted:Challenge: construct the backstory of a 40k character using one sentence. “The Administratum Auditor was ready when the Inquisition came to call.”
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The Lone Badger posted:"Inquisitor of the Ordo Oshaus" "Of course the Inquisition has an Ordos devoted to Human Resources Talent Acquisitions, how could we not?"
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SardonicTyrant posted:Challenge: construct the backstory of a 40k character using one sentence. "Is actually friends with a Space Marine"
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The Lone Badger posted:"Inquisitor of the Ordo Oshaus" This made me think of the Ordo OHSE, who probably have Views about their radical colleagues in the other Ordos.
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Awarded with a spaceship for rediscovering an ancient method of manufacturing scented candles.
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"Of course the Ogryn is the rogue trader, he was the one to get his hands on the warrant of trade when the ship crashed."
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May 20, 2019 11:20
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"Space marine trying to hitchhike his way back to the battle barge"
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May 20, 2019 11:25
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“They can replace that with cybernetics, right?”
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"Not actually that into Chaos, just going along with it because it's easier than telling people"
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May 20, 2019 17:40
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"This prank will be hilarious, I'm going to show Steve this book that will make his eyes bleed."
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May 20, 2019 18:14
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Turns out Eldar are really touchy about jewelry. Anyway, I have a new ship.
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May 20, 2019 18:21
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For sale; Primarch boots, never worn.
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"Officer Murtagh was one week from retiring from the Arbites when officer Riggs brought in the dead Genestealer hybrid. "
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