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Jewmanji posted:What are some other examples from 1999 or 2000 which TPM can’t compare to? I would argue that a lot of the action from TPM has actually held up incredibly well. The podrace is totally thrilling. The lightsaber fight is heralded even by ardent anti-prequel ideologues. The Matrix is a good call but it's a completely different animal. It's gritty urban cyberpunk kungfu to Phantom Menace's cartoony space opera. I don't think you can meaningfully lump things like the lightsaber battle and pod racing into the category of "action" and compare them to bullet time kungfu and urban foot chases, anymore than you can compare the special effects when the Matrix doesn't attempt anything on the scale of fully integrated CGI characters. Gollum from the LotR series would eventually way overshadow the strides they made with CG characters but I don't know enough about the history of effects work to know how much Weta benefitted from having a few years to build off that knowledge.
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Guy A. Person posted:The Matrix is a good call but it's a completely different animal. It's gritty urban cyberpunk kungfu to Phantom Menace's cartoony space opera. I don't think you can meaningfully lump things like the lightsaber battle and pod racing into the category of "action" and compare them to bullet time kungfu and urban foot chases, anymore than you can compare the special effects when the Matrix doesn't attempt anything on the scale of fully integrated CGI characters. I wouldn't undersell Dobby from Chamber of Secrets for helping sell CG characters either, which came out the same year as The Two Towers, which was the first movie to really feature Gollum. Jar Jar laid the groundwork, for sure, and then in 2002 Two Towers and Harry Potter was like, "Alright, thanks, here's what we could do to further that." Oh hey, 2002 was also the year AOTC came out. There were a poo poo ton of CG characters in 2002.
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Gollum looked like trash in 2002 and still looks like trash there i said it Hollywood doesn't want to give credit to Ahmed Best Andy Serkis is the recipient of stolen valor
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May 20, 2019 21:09
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Frodo & Sam & their cartoon friend with huge dumb anime eyes
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May 20, 2019 21:09
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There were motion-interaction parts of Gollum that looked bad, like juddery. But his closeups were phenomenal and still look great.
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May 20, 2019 21:38
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There’s an extreme close-up of Grievous’ eye at one point that has always looked extremely photorealistic to me. That one, 2-second shot always stood out to me in ROTS
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May 20, 2019 21:44
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https://i.imgur.com/wbqXJVx.gifv https://i.imgur.com/iw5gw1m.gifv
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May 20, 2019 22:13
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It feels extremely bad and ill-advised to say that Andy Serkis is the best thing in Black Panther, but Andy Serkis really is the best thing in Black Panther. (Or maybe Sterling K. Brown)
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May 20, 2019 22:51
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The pod race but with Sabotage playing.
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May 20, 2019 22:53
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Jewmanji posted:I would argue that a lot of the action from TPM has actually held up incredibly well. The podrace is totally thrilling. The lightsaber fight is heralded even by ardent anti-prequel ideologues. The lightsaber threesome has always been the best part of TPM (aside from the musical score, of course). I've got nothing but good things to say about Ray Park's fight choreography. But for all the hype and buildup that they gave to Darth Maul, taken as a character he's barely even there at all. e: The pod race looked great, but it always worked better in video game form than in movie scene form.
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May 20, 2019 22:57
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The pod race in The Phantom Menace always reminds me of my first time seeing THX 1138 and it's this philosophical sci-fi drama until a rad car chase pops up out of nowhere.General Dog posted:It feels extremely bad and ill-advised to say that Andy Serkis is the best thing in Black Panther, but Andy Serkis really is the best thing in Black Panther. (Or maybe Sterling K. Brown) The cast in BP is completely stacked. The old queen is a nothing character, and they get Angela Bassett.
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Powered Descent posted:The lightsaber threesome has always been the best part of TPM (aside from the musical score, of course). I've got nothing but good things to say about Ray Park's fight choreography. But for all the hype and buildup that they gave to Darth Maul, taken as a character he's barely even there at all. The whole point is that he's a distraction though? Also in what way does it "work better in video game form"? I have no idea what that could mean. Jewmanji fucked around with this message at 23:11 on May 20, 2019 |
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May 20, 2019 23:07
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Sir Kodiak posted:The pod race in The Phantom Menace always reminds me of my first time seeing THX 1138 and it's this philosophical sci-fi drama until a rad car chase pops up out of nowhere. Lucas does love him some cars.
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Jewmanji posted:The whole point is that he's a distraction though? There was a video game for it, and I think they're saying it was better than the scene was a movie scene.
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May 20, 2019 23:23
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Lycus posted:There was a video game for it, and I think they're saying it was better than the scene was a movie scene. Correct.
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May 20, 2019 23:27
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The "but" in your sentence made it sound like there was something wrong with the scene. I agree the game was fun as hell.
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May 20, 2019 23:29
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Jewmanji posted:The whole point is that he's a distraction though? You've never played Episode 1 Racer? Was a spectacular game for its time and seeing all the courses and racers was a lot of fun
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May 20, 2019 23:30
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You can buy Racer right now on Steam and GOG.
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The pod race thrills me to this day, and part of that is Ben Burtt's sound direction. Each racer has its own unique and sound, entirely fitting its design and driver. Sebulba's engines sound like an old air compressor my grandfather had in my childhood, dialed up to 11. Makes it sound like his racing philosophy is raw, overwhelming power, and in the theater or a good sound system it's incredible. 
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May 21, 2019 04:53
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it's insane how much better the 1999 cgi looks than the 2018
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I'd make a joke about how they'd fire the people making it and ship out an unfinished product but they already did that with Solo.
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I'd ask why, but KOTOR does probably have a better story than TFA (which is damning with faint praise of course).
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May 24, 2019 02:12
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Sadly it will be Kotor 1 or the mmo, instead of Kotor 2.
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May 24, 2019 02:49
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porfiria posted:I'd ask why, but KOTOR does probably have a better story than TFA (which is damning with faint praise of course). if disney is going to keep aping already existing stories they own no matter which arm of disney it is it's not a terrible idea to do it more like marvel where the already existing stories aren't all that well-known outside of nerd circles
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MonsieurChoc posted:Sadly it will be Kotor 1 or the mmo, instead of Kotor 2. Yeah, kotor 1 was fun in spite of the story, which was extremely repetitive. Like of course it was a video game, but it was also repetitive in terms of star wars.
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May 24, 2019 04:14
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Doctor Aphra movie when?
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May 24, 2019 04:28
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Does KOTOR2 have a good story? I never played it 'cause it got a bad rap at the time, the specifics of which I no longer remember.
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Bleck posted:Does KOTOR2 have a good story? I never played it 'cause it got a bad rap at the time, the specifics of which I no longer remember. The knock on it was that it was shoved out the door unfinished, the story is bottom tier for Obsidian or whatever they were called at the time but decent. The problem it has in its current incarnations is that the traditional BioWare combat is lame
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The story is alright, but the characters and dialogue are way better than the first one. Every interaction with Kreia was great.
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Bleck posted:Does KOTOR2 have a good story? I never played it 'cause it got a bad rap at the time, the specifics of which I no longer remember. It had an interesting villain. One of your party members is a powerful force user who seems to disdain you no matter which choices you make and at the end it's revealed she's got her own plan to destroy the Force to return free will to the people.
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PostNouveau posted:It had an interesting villain. One of your party members is a powerful force user who seems to disdain you no matter which choices you make and at the end it's revealed she's got her own plan to destroy the Force to return free will to the people. This is only like 60% accurate but the impression isn't wrong. It has some of the best character writing in any Star Wars property even though the overarching plot kinda falls apart at the end, probably because it was rushed out the door for Christmas 04.
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So has anyone made the argument yet that Pasaana is the now third name for the planet formerly known as Jakku and formerly known as Tatooine?
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Strobe posted:This is only like 60% accurate but the impression isn't wrong. Yeah, it's been awhile.
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Teek posted:So has anyone made the argument yet that Pasaana is the now third name for the planet formerly known as Jakku and formerly known as Tatooine? They change the name of that planet every time the galactic capital moves.
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The Sith Lords is brought down by the fact they try to make the Force adhere to D&D class/alignment which is not how it remotely works But it does lead to some lovely interactions with Kreia as you slowly drive her insane, so...silver lining?
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The writer's resume is...mixed: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0436164/?ref_=rvi_nm
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Cash Monet posted:The writer's resume is...mixed: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0436164/?ref_=rvi_nm Good lord, you're not kidding. Shutter Island, yay! Alexander, poo poo. Alita: Battle Angel, yay! Terminator: Genysis, poo poo. A real roll of the dice there.
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Vinylshadow posted:The Sith Lords is brought down by the fact they try to make the Force adhere to D&D class/alignment which is not how it remotely works TBH the first KOTOR was already well on its way to doing that and it should be ignored as much as possible because it's a game-ism.
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