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bessantj posted:Thank you. I'm pretty sure that was a reference to "I Am Curious (Yellow)," which wasn't exactly porn. But  The shocking secret of the Bachelor Party is they straight up are watching porn and oops, turns out Rick's fiancee is in it
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Pastry of the Year posted:I'm pretty sure that was a reference to "I Am Curious (Yellow)," which wasn't exactly porn. Yeah that was the one, I wasn't calling it porn though, just 'erotic movie' that wiki describes it as. Pastry of the Year posted:But 
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May 21, 2019 16:28
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PAD's Hulk was so good.
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May 21, 2019 16:30
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Rhyno posted:PAD's Hulk was so good. If his run wasn't so long I'd demand omnibuses
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May 21, 2019 16:43
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Rhyno posted:PAD's Hulk was so good. Absolutely agreed, and his earlier Spider-Man stuff was great, too. I've been re-reading the three core Spider-Man books in the CMRO storyline order and man, he's a key part of a really well-oiled storytelling machine, there. In searching for more info on his Hulk run, I came across this reminiscence he wrote about it, and I like him and it better for having read it: https://www.peterdavid.net/2013/08/02/looking-back-on-the-hulk-2/
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May 21, 2019 16:55
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I look forward to reaching Peter David's stuff. Thanks for the example PotY.
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May 21, 2019 16:57
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Pastry of the Year posted:I'm pretty sure that was a reference to "I Am Curious (Yellow)," which wasn't exactly porn. It definitely was publicized with the promise of more frankness about sex and nudity than the average American film of the time though, and for sure there were lots of jokes in the popular discourse about people going to this art-house flick in order to see breasts and cock and (staged) loving. For a film about a young radical mostly meandering around, arguing with people, and having intense self-doubts about leftist praxis, it still brought in $6.6 million in the U.S. which was pretty impressive for any movie, let alone a Swedish movie heavily featuring the then still very controversial and divisive Martin Luther King Jr. and an extended Yevgeny Yevtushenko cameo. It also did carry some actual heft as a public issue and controversy, too, and this question of "well is it porn" was certainly earnestly debated and even legislated. It was banned in Massachusetts and drew the ire of conservative groups even well after, IIRC, the Supreme Court (!!) ruled it to be not obscene. It's a really interesting movie, that occupies a really interesting spot in U.S. cinema's (and, let's be real, U.S. culture as a whole's) long and twisty relationship with sex and the human body. But anyway, that's a little bit more background on that ASM joke-- seeing it was kind of a trendy, racy thing to do, and the Big Social Event of going and seeing it let people feel like part of the intelligentsia but also had kind of an "aw, gee" element of abashed horniness to it. Gwen is essentially flagging herself as a cool, smart, open-minded and liberated 60s woman with a little bit of an edge (and the comic is flagging itself as a cool, smart, open-minded and liberated comic with enough bite and sophistication for a college audience), it's a good, efficiently communicative reference.
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May 21, 2019 17:04
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I started reading David's Hulk a while ago and fell off of it, not because of the book really, just moving and stuff. But it was kind of losing me a bit with all the stuff in the van in the desert for what seemed like a long time. This is when Macfarlane was still on the book and I also am not a fan of his early Marvel art. When does it really kick into classic David run?
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May 21, 2019 17:09
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Unmature posted:I started reading David's Hulk a while ago and fell off of it, not because of the book really, just moving and stuff. But it was kind of losing me a bit with all the stuff in the van in the desert for what seemed like a long time. This is when Macfarlane was still on the book and I also am not a fan of his early Marvel art. When does it really kick into classic David run? The storyline that wraps up is a fun one, but if you want to jump ahead to the big centerpiece of David's run, then I think 372 is the start of the big changes to the Hulk that everyone remembers. And don't overlook Future Imperfect which fits in loosely around 400; it's a time travel story so just slot it in between story arcs. Future Imperfect also has George Perez Perezing it up, though mainly in the scenes with Rick (wish I knew what happened to my Perez signed copies of those issues). Was Crisis the first time that he went full on "Yeah, I'm just going to draw everybody on this page"? I don't remember it happening before despite opportunities in Avengers, JLA, and Teen Titans. In fact, his JLA/JSA crossover issues are actually kind of sedate despite having the opportunity to cram in every bronze age, golden age, and forth world character. Random Stranger fucked around with this message at 17:23 on May 21, 2019 |
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May 21, 2019 17:19
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Unmature posted:I started reading David's Hulk a while ago and fell off of it, not because of the book really, just moving and stuff. But it was kind of losing me a bit with all the stuff in the van in the desert for what seemed like a long time. This is when Macfarlane was still on the book and I also am not a fan of his early Marvel art. When does it really kick into classic David run? I jumped on with the "Countdown" storyline beginning in #364, but Random Stranger is right about #372 being another good spot.
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May 21, 2019 17:21
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I recommend reading as much of PAD's Hulk as you can stand. Even small touches are delightful, like during the Acts of Vengeance storyline where Mr. Fixit fights the Grey Gargoyle and Fixit says "you don't have a thing to do with me" Gargoyle explains that they're trying to switch things up by villains attacking heroes that won't expect it and Fixit complains he's been in the game so long that almost makes sense. Then Fixit asks how long Gargoyle can turn things to stone for with his magic hand, finds out it's an hour, breaks off the Gargoyle's hand and hurls it into the distance and tells him he's got an hour to find his hand before he turns back into a human. Mr. Fixit was stone cold.
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May 21, 2019 17:53
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So far there are four Epic Collections of PAD’s Hulk covering #392-448, plus all the tie ins like Future Imperfect. I can’t wait until they go back to the start of his run because it’s so good. My only gripe is that I wish Gary Frank stayed on the book longer.
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May 21, 2019 18:08
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I can't get my idiot Batman project out of my head (i.e. get a list of all Batman family comics from after Crisis on Infinite Earths until the DC reboot by release order, as long as they're at least vaguely in continuity and not something like Batman's appearance in the Wake in Sandman). I think I'm going to try to just do it on my own using like 6 different sources, very slowly, over time. It is possible I believe that I will do this because of the fever currently affecting my brain. My first task, is, I think, to list all the continuing series that would need to factor in, and then I'll look at the one-shots. Here's what I'm starting with:
I don't know, maybe it would be easier to break it down by decade. Just start with Batman #404 and get up to the 90s.
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May 21, 2019 18:21
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Archyduchess posted:It's a really interesting movie, that occupies a really interesting spot in U.S. cinema's (and, let's be real, U.S. culture as a whole's) long and twisty relationship with sex and the human body. But anyway, that's a little bit more background on that ASM joke-- seeing it was kind of a trendy, racy thing to do, and the Big Social Event of going and seeing it let people feel like part of the intelligentsia but also had kind of an "aw, gee" element of abashed horniness to it. Gwen is essentially flagging herself as a cool, smart, open-minded and liberated 60s woman with a little bit of an edge (and the comic is flagging itself as a cool, smart, open-minded and liberated comic with enough bite and sophistication for a college audience), it's a good, efficiently communicative reference.  ASM #101 came out in July 1971. Getting way too into figuring out the timeline of this, Betty Friedan's birthday is February 4th, but the Supreme Court Ruling came down February 23rd, 1971. This didn't really affect theaters in New York showing the film, and looking at a copy of the New York Times from what is presumably the day this comic was meant to take place shows that Love Story (released December 1970) was still going strong in the theaters, and while there are no listings for I Am Curious (Yellow), there are a bunch for similarly 'liberated' films that came in its wake like "Sexual Practices in Sweden", "A History of the Blue Movie", "Hollywood Blue", "A Master Course in the History of Erotica", "Groupies", "Group Encounter" ('an adult film that brings to the viewers a gross suspension of disbelief'(?!)), "Desires of the Devil", "Andy Warhol's Trash", The Lickerish Quartet, and so on. It's not really a surprise that a bunch of sex films were being screened in theaters around Times Square int he 1970s, but it's a little surprising that they were getting reviewed and advertised in the New York Times, discussed on the Tonight Show, and getting referenced in Spider-Man. Though as I never get tired of talking about, Robert Kanigher beat Stan Lee to the punch by like eight months on Lois Lane.
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Bicyclops posted:I can't get my idiot Batman project out of my head (i.e. get a list of all Batman family comics from after Crisis on Infinite Earths until the DC reboot by release order, as long as they're at least vaguely in continuity and not something like Batman's appearance in the Wake in Sandman). I think I'm going to try to just do it on my own using like 6 different sources, very slowly, over time. It is possible I believe that I will do this because of the fever currently affecting my brain. My first task, is, I think, to list all the continuing series that would need to factor in, and then I'll look at the one-shots. Here's what I'm starting with: ComicbookDB can give you a chronological list of every comic that the post-Crisis Batman appeared in, if that's helpful. You'd have to weed out reprints and cameos and things like that, but it at least separates out Elseworlds and other out-of-continuity appearances.
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May 21, 2019 18:28
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Edge & Christian posted:
This was one of the sources I was using, but actually, if I break it down by year, I think it becomes a much more reasonable thing to do, just using this and the DCFandom "by year" category. I'm never going to finish this realistically anyway, so I may as well do one year at a time, read it, and then move on to the next year. If I'm not getting too annoying here, I might run 1987 by this thread (once I've collected what I think is the list but before I dive in), just in case someone happens to know of something I'm missing.
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May 21, 2019 18:49
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Edge & Christian posted:ASM #101 came out in July 1971. That's an interesting bit of history.
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May 21, 2019 19:00
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It looks like, assuming that Bruce, Jason, Dick, Chief Gordon, Barbara (who seems not appear), and and Serena will cover it (I can't think of anyone else that matters, that early), 1987 only has 107 possible comics to get through. This is going to be a breeze!
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Bicyclops posted:It looks like, assuming that Bruce, Jason, Dick, Chief Gordon, Barbara (who seems not appear), and and Serena will cover it (I can't think of anyone else that matters, that early), 1987 only has 107 possible comics to get through. This is going to be a breeze! 107 is long but doable. But to use a phrase appropriate for any comic discussion: the 90's will kill ya.
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May 21, 2019 20:48
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Bicyclops posted:I can't get my idiot Batman project out of my head (i.e. get a list of all Batman family comics from after Crisis on Infinite Earths until the DC reboot by release order, as long as they're at least vaguely in continuity and not something like Batman's appearance in the Wake in Sandman). I think I'm going to try to just do it on my own using like 6 different sources, very slowly, over time. It is possible I believe that I will do this because of the fever currently affecting my brain. My first task, is, I think, to list all the continuing series that would need to factor in, and then I'll look at the one-shots. Here's what I'm starting with: Left out Batman and the Outsiders. Sorry to add to your woes.
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May 21, 2019 21:21
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Madkal posted:Left out Batman and the Outsiders. Sorry to add to your woes. Joke's on you, the series ended as Crisis on Infinite Earths started and the revival started right after Infinite Crisis ended.
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Random Stranger posted:Joke's on you, the series ended as Crisis on Infinite Earths started and the revival started right after Infinite Crisis ended. Dang it CoIE for ending what I figured was an awesome series (I remember reading my brother's random collection of comics including some Outsiders comics).
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May 21, 2019 22:20
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Random Stranger posted:The storyline that wraps up is a fun one, but if you want to jump ahead to the big centerpiece of David's run, then I think 372 is the start of the big changes to the Hulk that everyone remembers. And don't overlook Future Imperfect which fits in loosely around 400; it's a time travel story so just slot it in between story arcs. Future Imperfect also has George Perez Perezing it up, though mainly in the scenes with Rick (wish I knew what happened to my Perez signed copies of those issues). I fuckin' looove Future Imperfect. I've been recommending it a lot lately because I think it's the next logical step for MCU Hulk. He's smart and they need to get rid of that time machine. Maestro is the perfect excuse.
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I've always kinda wondered where maestro was from. May have to check that out
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Madkal posted:Dang it CoIE for ending what I figured was an awesome series (I remember reading my brother's random collection of comics including some Outsiders comics). You may not want to go back and re-read that. Man, DC's attempts to capture the X-Men audience were rough. Even New Teen Titans which is the best of these attempts has some significant problems. site posted:I've always kinda wondered where maestro was from. May have to check that out We're not blowing smoke when we say Future Imperfect is awesome.
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Random Stranger posted:107 is long but doable. But to use a phrase appropriate for any comic discussion: the 90's will kill ya. I got through February of the first year in an hour. Most of it involed superheroes I never heard of introducing themselves in two sentences in crossover comics because I probabyl should have included January, but you gotta start somewhere. I'm going to do it, wish me luck
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Random Stranger posted:We're not blowing smoke when we say Future Imperfect is awesome. It's one of the few Hulk stories I'm familiar with, and I absolutely love the two page spread of Maestro's trophy room. I want to say I owned some official key that detailed every little thing in there.
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May 22, 2019 05:03
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Wizard had an article about it and I believe Perez identified everything in scene for them.
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CzarChasm posted:It's one of the few Hulk stories I'm familiar with, and I absolutely love the two page spread of Maestro's trophy room. I want to say I owned some official key that detailed every little thing in there. I want to say it was printed in the original issues since I definitely had that as well. But let's have some fun for the people who haven't read the comic. How many things in this scene can you identify?  Edit: I think these panels complete every unique item in the room. The way you know you're dealing with a real master, FWIW, is that they're not only able to render a complicated layout like that, but they're able to do it from multiple angles and be completely consistent with it.     
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May 22, 2019 06:30
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I can identify each one of those faberge eggs.
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What are the eggs and jars from? They’re the only things I can’t identify.
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Open Marriage Night posted:What are the eggs and jars from? They’re the only things I can’t identify. Poo and piss respectively
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Unmature posted:Poo and piss respectively Makes sense that he'd have relics of the Beyonder, I guess. Esplanade fucked around with this message at 10:20 on May 22, 2019 |
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May 22, 2019 07:35
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In his prime, Perez was unmatched.
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Keeping Ben Grimm's crumbled remains in a hollowed-out Sentinel head is such a mean-spirited, dirtbag move and perfectly in character.
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Random Stranger posted:I want to say it was printed in the original issues since I definitely had that as well. That single yellow brick which was a different shade of yellow to the others, ended up being a plot point in a Captain Marvel story.
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The Question IRL posted:That single yellow brick which was a different shade of yellow to the others, ended up being a plot point in a Captain Marvel story. Peter David's Captain Marvel was really good stuff. Weren't there also a couple of DC relics in the trophy room? I'm not seeing them, but Doctor Fate's helmet might have been one of them.
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What is the relic in the bottom right hand corner on the box below, I think, Adsorbing Man's ball and chain? Is it Black Panther's necklace or something?
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May 22, 2019 12:38
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prefect posted:Peter David's Captain Marvel was really good stuff. Well, there is a partial picture of Superman on the far left. What Is the green thing with the circular entrance on the left? Is it just a doorway?
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Aw, he made the Beast into a lovely throw rug!
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