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Phil Moscowitz posted:It's just nonstop happy hours, suites at the ballpark, parties at the race track, bowling nights, taco trucks and live music. Sure, it can be hard sometimes, but hey...work hard, play hard, that's our motto here at Fuchoff, Uschitz & Dye! Go to law school! pay no attention to why none of the real associates have time to come to these events, except for the ones who you mysteriously won't see when you come back as a first year
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Phil Moscowitz posted:It's just nonstop happy hours, suites at the ballpark, parties at the race track, bowling nights, taco trucks and live music. Sure, it can be hard sometimes, but hey...work hard, play hard, that's our motto here at Fuchoff, Uschitz & Dye! Go to law school! lol
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evilweasel posted:pay no attention to why none of the real associates have time to come to these events, except for the ones who you mysteriously won't see when you come back as a first year Lol if your firm doesn't soft-require associates to attend the hell out of these events at the cost of basic bodily functions.
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Vox Nihili posted:Lol if your firm doesn't soft-require associates to attend the hell out of these events at the cost of basic bodily functions.
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I'm going to chime in for our prospective 1L and say that there are definitely a select few situations in which it makes sense to go to law school. Tell us about yourself and let's see if you fit any! The market is also definitely better than what it was 10ish years ago. Still not great but definitely better.
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Fuzzie Dunlop posted:I'm going to chime in for our prospective 1L and say that there are definitely a select few situations in which it makes sense to go to law school. Tell us about yourself and let's see if you fit any! 1. Uncle Jim has promised he'll hire you at his firm and make you partner ahead of all those other scrubs he hires. 2. Need to study law to learn how to stop your half siblings from cutting you out of the will. 3. Full ride at taxpayer expense. 4. Full ride at soon to be ex-wife's expense. 5. Promising career in Panda law.
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Fuzzie Dunlop posted:I'm going to chime in for our prospective 1L and say that there are definitely a select few situations in which it makes sense to go to law school.
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May 19, 2019 20:09
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if you can get into a high T14 it’s generally financially worth it but how financially worth it is going to be directly correlated to if you enjoy the work vs burn out hard within a few years
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Gobbeldygook posted:your STEM degree voltrons with a law degree to form a patent attorney Still not worth it.
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Is there some special career path for patent lawyers that makes it better/more lucrative than general corporate? Like I always hear in this thread that lib arts undergrad + law school = bad but STEM UG + Law school is somehow good? A girl in my graduating class already has a medical degree from a (to me) prestigious school. Jobs that require those kinds of quals must I assume pay a lot of money.
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Throatwarbler posted:Is there some special career path for patent lawyers that makes it better/more lucrative than general corporate? Like I always hear in this thread that lib arts undergrad + law school = bad but STEM UG + Law school is somehow good? Though an MD going to law school is just someone who doesn’t want to work.
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gvibes posted:It’s just higher demand, particularly if you have an advanced bio-ish degree, or an electrical or computer engineering or computer science degree. Though a lot of that demand is for lovely prosecution mill work.
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gvibes posted:It’s just higher demand, particularly if you have an advanced bio-ish degree, or an electrical or computer engineering or computer science degree. It also has a much higher barrier to entry. Getting a law degree is not hard, anyone can do it, so the mere fact you've got a law degree and passed the bar doesn't guarantee you much. Getting the hard science degree is much harder and there's not hundreds of lovely law schools churning people out with those degrees, so your baseline is much higher - you're going to be able to get a decent-ish job even in most of your "bad case" scenarios. Of course, it's not at all guaranteed that the law school part of that is any sort of improvement compared to just using your hard science degree in the first place and so the "law" part of that may be entirely wasted and you basically pissed away three years and $100k to stay in place.
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I was always under the impression that MD/JD types were medmal specialists.
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I had a very much older than the average student MD in my law school class. I think she went on to teach medical ethics or something. Cool vanity project. Overkill to get an MD to be a medmal specialist since you're still going to need expert testimony and you're not calling yourself.
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People only think that because Atul Gawande met a guy who got his jd while being a practicing physician who could only find legal work doing medmal. He wrote an essay about it, and now he anyone who’s read it anchors on that detail.
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https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2005/11/14/the-malpractice-mess
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Look Sir Droids posted:I had a very much older than the average student MD in my law school class. I think she went on to teach medical ethics or something. Cool vanity project. You can become an expert witness though. A friend of one of my lecturers did that. Dude was a surgeon, had an accident that left him with a permanent tremor, decided to go to law school and made even more bank.
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That’s a depressing article. Especially, in my field where doctors are getting sued for basically not predicting the future. I know of two people that I’ve treated for substance use where they were dead within 2 months from heroin overdoses. If I got sued for it, the process is so miserable. I get raked over the coals for everything I did and didn’t do. Even if I did recommend a treatment and they declined, I can get criticized for not pushing a treatment hard enough. If I were to lose, the judgment would probably be millions because they’re usually young people. My insurance rates would go up by a lot. The cherry on top would be I have to report it to every job and licensing board with a multi page essay for the rest of my career, win or lose.
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I make $180k as a patent examiner working from home in my underwear and I didn't need to go to law school for it, so I'd probably look into that before law school if they're still hiring
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:I make $180k as a patent examiner working from home in my underwear and I didn't need to go to law school for it, so I'd probably look into that before law school if they're still hiring Where can someone send their resume for this job? I'm a male non-veteran WASP which I'm sure doesn't help.
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Roger_Mudd posted:Where can someone send their resume for this job? I'm a male non-veteran WASP which I'm sure doesn't help. https://www.usajobs.gov/Search?l=&l=&a=CM56&k=examiner
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The starting salaries for executive admins are higher than the examiners, the starting salaries for paralegals and computer touchers are double. lmao
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Atul Gawande is...not great. Not terrible, afak, but not great.
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Wrong thread. Should have read the OP.
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supercow posted:Not sure if this is the right thread but couldn't find one for law questions. I don't know what kind of lawyer to look for. My fiancee is part of an investment group LLC with some other family members. Her oldest brother is the one who manages everything and actively invests their money. She doesn't have too much money invested (maybe a few thousand dollars, definitely less than 10 thousand) so I don't even care about getting the money back or how the group is doing, I just don't want to be personally liable for any losses if there are any issues. If the only money that they can lose is whatever they put in it, then I'd rather just not cause any family drama but if there is any concern what so ever that if the business goes into the red we may lose our personal assets then I'd want to withdraw from the group. I have a copy of the operating agreement. What kind of lawyer should I talk to about this? Does anyone have any recommendations in the Seattle area? This doesn't really answer the subject matter, but you're looking for the legal questions thread in ask tell. https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3266659 This thread is for making fun of people who are in the process of becoming or have become lawyers.
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Meatbag Esq. posted:This doesn't really answer the subject matter, but you're looking for the legal questions thread in ask tell. My bad thanks.
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So hey, I had a mid-life crisis and went to law school last fall. It's kind of dumb, but OK. I have kind of the stereotypical mid-career technical woman story of getting sidelined into a thankless discipline with no growth path and dropping out. I have pretty good security expertise, so I'm focusing on work that leverages that. I imagine I will most likely end up doing data breach planning/response work that I technically could do right now but that increasingly requires a JD for reasons.
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Pinky Artichoke posted:So hey, I had a mid-life crisis and went to law school last fall. It's kind of dumb, but OK. Breach notification laws. Companies getting sued because they had a breach. General data privacy requirements (HIPAA, GDPR, etc). There are plenty of reasons legal knowledge is necessary.
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can you invent a time machine and be Erin Brokovich instead?
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Pinky Artichoke posted:thankless discipline with no growth path Are you sure you didn't already go to law school?
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evilweasel posted:pay no attention to why none of the real associates have time to come to these events, except for the ones who you mysteriously won't see when you come back as a first year Ehhhhhhhhhh
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Look Sir Droids posted:Breach notification laws. Companies getting sued because they had a breach. General data privacy requirements (HIPAA, GDPR, etc). There are plenty of reasons legal knowledge is necessary. Sure. But there are certainly jobs in this area where a CIPP/US is a more appropriate requirement than a JD.
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Pinky Artichoke posted:sidelined into a thankless discipline with no growth path and dropping out. Well, you're in the right place. Sort of. You're here, anyway! Also, you are now obligated to spin us tales of interacting with clueless 22 year-old students and doubly clueless 75 year-old professors in your law school class!
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Pinky Artichoke posted:So hey, I had a mid-life crisis and went to law school last fall. It's kind of dumb, but OK. Teach me your ways, I need security expertise or any expertise really just to get out of litigation. poo poo loving job. Once again came in second on a municipal gig. I'm starting to think these people don't like me and/or give preference to people with actual loving experience. Weird.
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Look Sir Droids posted:Breach notification laws. Companies getting sued because they had a breach. General data privacy requirements (HIPAA, GDPR, etc). There are plenty of reasons legal knowledge is necessary. my understanding is there's lots of those reasons, but the biggest reason of all is so you can keep as much under the lid of attorney-client privilege as possible. discussing a data breach with your attorney is a lot safer than a random consultant who will be subpoenaed in any litigation.
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evilweasel posted:my understanding is there's lots of those reasons, but the biggest reason of all is so you can keep as much under the lid of attorney-client privilege as possible. discussing a data breach with your attorney is a lot safer than a random consultant who will be subpoenaed in any litigation. Sure, which means you need a law license too, not just a Toona Special.
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Look Sir Droids posted:Sure, which means you need a law license too, not just a Toona Special. Hey I’m taking the bar this summer 
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I've been second chair at an arbitration for a day and a half, and although I think it's horrible for the little guy, arbitration is much better than a court room atmosphere wise. Catered lunches are swell. Had a motion to compel today also where I said basically nothing and got to listen to a judge just rip OC in the case before telling them they have until Tuesday to comply. If they don't, I might actually get some sanctions from them. Also, I ran into the only situation today where it's good to be 1099 hourly over W2 salary. I worked this weekend and each night this week preparing stuff for this arbitration. Our pay weeks run fri to thurs. I told my boss "I'm about to hit 40 hours" when we got back to the office. He responded by saying "bye!" When I asked what he wants me to do tomorrow, and he said "enjoy your day off." I don't really care about getting overtime right now, so it's just a day off in the middle of the week. Mr. Nice! fucked around with this message at 00:21 on May 23, 2019 |
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Mr. Nice! posted:I've been second chair at an arbitration for a day and a half, and although I think it's horrible for the little guy, arbitration is much better than a court room atmosphere wise. Catered lunches are swell. In recent "binding arbitration clause" news: https://gizmodo.com/it-looks-like-ubers-sleazy-approach-to-driver-lawsuits-1834623166 "In the prospectus that Uber filed with the SEC, it claims that more than 60,000 U.S. drivers have filed arbitration demands against the company. According to Bloomberg, that eye-popping number of legal disputes could cost the company at least $600 million. While the company is valued at nearly $84 billion, that’s still an insanely steep price to pay for an unjust labor practice. (Also keep in mind that valuation is mostly just pie-in-the-sky nonsense.) Nancy Cremins, general counsel at Globalization Partners in Boston, characterized the flood of arbitration demands to Bloomberg as “a death by a thousand cuts.” She also said that “The volume is impossible to deal with from an administrative and legal perspective.” In other words, Uber hoped to avoid a big costly lawsuit but instead, it has thousands of small, costly arbitration proceedings to wade through."
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