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Oooooh. USAFA talk. https://www.kktv.com/content/news/Air-Force-Academy-major-accused-of-raping-a-child-under-the-age-of-12-510031391.html A month ago the captain in charge of ethics classes was charged for child pornography possession. Now it's a major raping kids. The gently caress is wrong with flyboy officers.
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When I went through AF Basic in 2008 I just stayed back in the dorm. Got harrassed for being an atheist by a few idiots. The main instigator was some 27 year old dumbfuck from Arkansas who was very excited about the idea of being able to wear service dress to church. I looked him up recently and he bitched out with a medical retirement sometime around the 8 year mark.
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Casimir Radon posted:When I went through AF Basic in 2008 I just stayed back in the dorm. Got harrassed for being an atheist by a few idiots. The main instigator was some 27 year old dumbfuck from Arkansas who was very excited about the idea of being able to wear service dress to church. I looked him up recently and he bitched out with a medical retirement sometime around the 8 year mark. When I went in 04 I went to the protestant service just so I could not be getting yelled at for like an hour. If we stayed in the dorms our instructors would make us clean and yell at us while we did. To this day the only scenes I've ever seen of Mel Gibson's The Patriot are what I saw in that church
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May 23, 2019 04:16
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WAR CRIME SYNDICAT posted:When I went in 04 I went to the protestant service just so I could not be getting yelled at for like an hour. If we stayed in the dorms our instructors would make us clean and yell at us while we did.
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May 23, 2019 04:19
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Crakkerjakk posted:I went to the Catholic one in Kuwait because it was closer to Lutheran (which I was raised in) than the Protestant one (which was more baptist-y) and also because the chaplain let me down the remains of the sacramental wine after the service if I helped him out. Also he was Jesuit trained and pretty interesting to talk to. When he was like "well, a lot of the Bible is really allegory" I was like "man, does the pope know you're saying this poo poo? I don't wanna get you in trouble." Jesuits are usually pretty rad conversationalists, the current Pope is one and he'd probably be totally cool with it but I imagine you meant ol' Benedict or hell maybe even JP2.
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May 23, 2019 04:20
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AF Basic did have a Liturgical service which I guess was probably Lutheran and Episcopalian. Which is not a bad way to go if you're going to believe. Of course the way I found out about this was some chapel guide or whatever the gently caress they're called talking smack about it, and implying they weren't real Christians.
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May 23, 2019 04:24
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FAUXTON posted:Jesuits are usually pretty rad conversationalists, the current Pope is one and he'd probably be totally cool with it but I imagine you meant ol' Benedict or hell maybe even JP2. Yeah, this was JP2, in '03, right as we were invading. But yeah, Jesuits do seem to be pretty decent, and I can hang with people who are down with liberation theology. Mostly I was just enjoying loving with the chaplain as an e-4. Also (lovely) booze in Kuwait.
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May 23, 2019 04:25
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I went to the "Others" services in Parris Island and hung out with Buddhists and hid in the shitter to make 5 minute phone calls to my wife each Sunday since they somehow forgot to take my cell phone when I checked in. I figured I was hosed if they ever found it so I spent every night on firewatch finding new hiding spots and never told another soul I had it. By disciplining myself to 5 minutes a week, I kept the battery charged and working for all three months I was down there.
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May 23, 2019 04:33
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Arc Light posted:I have no idea how hard evangelism is pushed at the academy, but religion in general was pushed hard for everyone. Back when I was in basic training, we all had to go to some kind of religious thing on Sunday morning. Atheism was no excuse; that was an order, albeit an illegal one. I went to the generic Christian service and snoozed with my eyes open, but I really regret that I never went to Wiccan services. From what I later learned, they gave out candy and drinks. We just got this awful song, which they played before every week's church service: When I was there (02-06) it was being pushed super hardcore, not just evangelism but Christian supremacy. Chaplains instructed cadets to tell their non-religious or other-religious classmates that they would burn in hell for not accepting Jesus. There was blatant favoritism everywhere. As a white atheist I was able to blend in pretty well even though I opened my mouth far too often, but it was a terrible time for practicing Jewish cadets and the handful of Muslim cadets. From what I've heard, it hasn't changed much since then. It's all just so thoroughly entrenched from top to bottom.
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May 23, 2019 04:40
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BGen Dana Born who was the Dean of Faculty several years ago ordered a subordinate colonel to perform "counterinsurgency" against MRFF and its clients.
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May 23, 2019 04:46
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holocaust bloopers posted:As of 2003, we had the option to attend services or hang out in the dorms. There was no pushing. OTS, same. When I was in ROTC, it wasn't discussed at all. Now, this was at the U of U, which is BYU's rival so it kind of prides itself on not being religious, but I don't remember a single conversation that touched on religion except as a way to mock BYU.
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May 23, 2019 04:54
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I attended the Buddhist service and just dozed off during the humming. 10/10 would nod off again.
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May 23, 2019 05:02
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gospel service is the one with candy at flw
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May 23, 2019 05:05
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Crakkerjakk posted:I went to the Catholic one in Kuwait because it was closer to Lutheran (which I was raised in) than the Protestant one (which was more baptist-y) and also because the chaplain let me down the remains of the sacramental wine after the service if I helped him out. Also he was Jesuit trained and pretty interesting to talk to. When he was like "well, a lot of the Bible is really allegory" I was like "man, does the pope know you're saying this poo poo? I don't wanna get you in trouble." It's straight up heresy in Catholic theology to take the Bible literally. That's why the church is so big in education and having doctrine filtered through layers and layers of highly trained incels. American Catholicism got fundamentalist brain via cultural osmosis so it doesn't seem like it but the actual theology is big on the Bible as allegory.
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Best Friends posted:It's straight up heresy in Catholic theology to take the Bible literally. That's why the church is so big in education and having doctrine filtered through layers and layers of highly trained incels. American Catholicism got fundamentalist brain via cultural osmosis so it doesn't seem like it but the actual theology is big on the Bible as allegory. I think priests are literally volcels.
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May 23, 2019 05:23
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Seriously, Catholicism is probably the biggest rules-lawyering religion that isn't Judaism (because of that one Talmud story where the rabbis all tell God to stay the gently caress out of their rabbinical argument because it doesn't concern Him). "The Book of Occlusion clearly says we should always do this except if St. Patrick's Day is a Friday then go ahead and scarf down your corned beef and cabbage oh and Capybara count as fish so eat those every Friday if you want."
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May 23, 2019 05:29
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Best Friends posted:It's straight up heresy in Catholic theology to take the Bible literally. That's why the church is so big in education and having doctrine filtered through layers and layers of highly trained incels. American Catholicism got fundamentalist brain via cultural osmosis so it doesn't seem like it but the actual theology is big on the Bible as allegory. *entirely literally. It's been taught as Catholic doctrine since at least the Medieval times that the Bible contains four types of story. Historic, which is to be taken as literally true (Jesus did this, said that, etc). Allegorical, in which the elements of the story represent ideas and concepts. The Genesis creation stories are an example of this, where the days of creation represent God's plan and deliberate creation of the world and natural laws. Moral, like parables which teach moral lessons. Finally there's anagogical which are typically figurative and poetic passages meant to make us think about things beyond the natural world. Some things are supposed to be read in multiple ways. The book of Job is both allegorical and moral. Jesus raising Lazarus is supposed to be both historic and allegorical (i.e. Jesus did raise a man from the dead but the point was to be an allegory for his ability to raise everyone from the dead at the end of the world). And yeah, American Catholics don't typically get a good religious education and pick up Protestant fundie bullshit because those are the loudest people in America and have decided that they represent all Christianity.
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Best Friends posted:It's straight up heresy in Catholic theology to take the Bible literally. That's why the church is so big in education and having doctrine filtered through layers and layers of highly trained incels. American Catholicism got fundamentalist brain via cultural osmosis so it doesn't seem like it but the actual theology is big on the Bible as allegory. And Jesuits as a whole are extremely progressive and intellectual. If I had known then what I know now I might have let them send me to the local one as a kid. E: Most Americans I have met don't consider Catholics Christian. This includes Catholics RFC2324 fucked around with this message at 05:49 on May 23, 2019 |
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I think what you're taught as a catholic in the states is largely a geographic thing. There's a definitive difference between catholics in the South vs everywhere else, it's much more baptist feeling, lots of gladhanding and singing, not just trudging through the hymns like you're reciting hail Marys for penance. Compared to going to mass where I grew up in Illinois, where the Joliet diocese is a real and acknowledged thing, and the dogma is thicker than poo poo coated mutt hair. Where latin mass meant spoken in latin, not just overwhelmingly populated with hispanics. I really enjoy making GBS threads on the catholic way of things, but there's solid structure to their schools, cathecism, and overarching pessimism. At this point, they may as well start recruiting USAFA instructors for the cloth, given the recent track record. gently caress catholicism though. They let my mother roll through an annulment after my parents' divorce. Pretty much like pulling a mulligan for Jesus. Except there was obvious evidence of the marriage because KIDS. When I realized what that meant, I was already out of the church, but the irony is not lost on me that I don't exist in the eyes of the church after my mother paid the diocese a few grand to push it through. CRUSTY MINGE fucked around with this message at 05:59 on May 23, 2019 |
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May 23, 2019 05:53
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I grew up Catholic and the one's I've been around all my life generally just go to mass on Christmas and Easter. There's some that go to mass every Sunday but I don't think I've ever met a Catholic that's pushy about their religion. They definitely aren't the bible thumping hicks of the South.
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A whole side of my family is still largely devout catholic. Not even fun drunk catholics like the Irish, no. loving teetotaler german catholic. My grandmothers' gray haired clam is responsible for over 80 children, grandkids and great-grandkids. It's like a monty python skit at family reunions (I assume, as I don't attend). She's probably the most knowledgeable source I'd have on dogmatic bullshit, but her life is ruled by, dogmatic bullshit. I know for a fact that she's been the only one present at wednesday morning latin masses in her small town church. Very much the overzealous type. Most of the rest of the family, that still goes to mass, goes at least twice a month. The worst part of being raised balls deep in dogma is that it blinds you to a point of gullibility. So much poo poo flew over my head for years you'd think I grew up under an overpass offramp for a septic dump site.
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facialimpediment posted:Edit: and Trump lost again on the Deutsche Bank subpoena Let the polls go high, let the polls go low, through White House looking mad I go. All the lawyers say "Hello!" "Donald where's your taxes?".
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Nostalgia4Ass posted:I went to the "Others" services in Parris Island and hung out with Buddhists and hid in the shitter to make 5 minute phone calls to my wife each Sunday since they somehow forgot to take my cell phone when I checked in. I figured I was hosed if they ever found it so I spent every night on firewatch finding new hiding spots and never told another soul I had it. By disciplining myself to 5 minutes a week, I kept the battery charged and working for all three months I was down there. How...how did you hide your phone? I mean, DIs flipped just about everything in the first few weeks of boot camp. Racks, footlockers, everything.
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Back in 03 I figured eh if the US say Saddam has WMDs there's probably something to it they wouldn't lie about something that big but if they do Iran I'm chaining myself to the gate at Ramstein or something
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Nostalgia4Butts posted:i guess im alone in feeling bad for meg mccain do you parade your dead dad around in order to make money and to get on tv
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like but but buddhists!! nah they'll gently caress put that poo poo aside in a heartbeat in order to war crimes muslims if they get the chance
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45 ACP CURES NAZIS posted:like but but buddhists!! nah they'll gently caress put that poo poo aside in a heartbeat in order to war crimes muslims if they get the chance everyone kills everyone, what else is new
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I grew up Mormon, went to the services in Basic, but realized I really didnt believe in a god after I got to my first base.
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Deathy McDeath posted:How...how did you hide your phone? I mean, DIs flipped just about everything in the first few weeks of boot camp. Racks, footlockers, everything. I cut a hole in the side of the mattress and hid it there at first. Then I'd cycle it into the inside pockets of the waterproof field jackets we had that were kept on the back of our racks but never used for some reason. About a week into daily firewatch standing I found out that the ventilation covers could be removed with pieces of your rifle cleaning kit. We also had a broken drier that had one of those big removal aluminum exhaust pipes. So then I'd move the phone's location every night while I was on firewatch by rotating it through one of 7 or 8 different spots I'd found. I don't know whether moving the phone so often was smart but I was so afraid of anyone finding it that I couldn't leave it in one spot for too long without thinking it was going to be found. I was constantly prepared for the day when someone caught me but that day never came and so I made a single five minute call every Sunday and kept my mouth shut the whole time I was there.
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CommieGIR posted:I grew up Mormon, went to the services in Basic, but realized I really didnt believe in a god after I got to my first base. You were a virgin joining?
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I figured out religion was dumb when I was like 12 years old. The fact that people can't scrounge up the same amount of critical thinking as dumbass pre-teen me to see through it still astounds me. I did realize something though: if you need a book to tell you how to be a good person, then you aren't one.
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May 23, 2019 13:32
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In 2006 navy boot camp there was no church requirement. If you wanted to go, it was an option, otherwise you had sunday morning to yourself to do whatever the gently caress. This is typically when people would take long showers. I shined my boots a lot because there wasn't much else to do.
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May 23, 2019 13:41
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I attended the Spanish language Mass at Ft Jackson. It was in the afternoon at a nice chapel away from the barracks, it was pretty chill, and the music was spanish guitars and singing. Not a bad way to kill a couple of hours.
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A Bad Poster posted:I figured out religion was dumb when I was like 12 years old. The fact that people can't scrounge up the same amount of critical thinking as dumbass pre-teen me to see through it still astounds me. I did realize something though: if you need a book to tell you how to be a good person, then you aren't one. Understanding that sky wizards are bullshit is one thing, and easy to figure out at 12. Having an appreciative understanding of the messages is where it takes critical thinking, and almost none of us had that at 12. You could find moral direction in the ultimate hitchhikers guide to the galaxy, or zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance, or even loving harry potter, but you probably won't have an understanding of what you've read until several years later. It's like people who get all up their own asses and take anything Anton LaVey wrote (satanic bible, and a few others) as the literal word of satan himself, not understanding that satan is just a placeholder.
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Oh we telling boot stories now? Ok, here’s mine:
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You went through a police academy, did you not? Don't have any stories about ball-tickling trains in the shower?
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CRUSTY MINGE posted:Understanding that sky wizards are bullshit is one thing, and easy to figure out at 12. Having an appreciative understanding of the messages is where it takes critical thinking, and almost none of us had that at 12. You could find moral direction in the ultimate hitchhikers guide to the galaxy, or zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance, or even loving harry potter, but you probably won't have an understanding of what you've read until several years later. Fair. I was also the same kid that got sent to the principal's office because apparently the point of taking care of a fake baby for a week wasn't to teach us that as 14 year olds we weren't prepared to take care of a child and that there are many ways to avoid such an outcome, such as birth control, safe sex and abortion, and that the real lesson was "don't have sex until you're married." This was after I accused to school of forcing us into child slavery because they said we wouldn't be Confirmed unless we did 100 hours of community service. These things tend to happen when you have a mother that explicitly tells you to ask lots of questions in religion class.
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I'm a firm atheist, but going to religious services definitely helped a lot of my Joes who were going through rough patches personally while we were deployed. If you can remove the proselytizing and interference in the political system (and the lives and rights of other people), I think religion can help people find meaning and purpose. In broader society this is a challenging goal, but in the Army (which in my anecdotal experience did a good job of allowing the free exercise of religion without letting it creep into areas where it shouldn't have been) I feel it's probably a good outlet for a lot of people.
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Not boot camp (it was LTC for army rotc I think) but I remember the Baptist chaplain demanding 10 minutes of our time while he walked up and down the barracks lane jerking himself off with the sheep dog speech and some other bullshit. It was definitely one of those "gently caress maybe I don't want to put up with this kind of poo poo for four years" moments. The Catholic chaplain in comparison seemed chill and gave anyone who talked to him a gatorade.
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