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Ghost of Mussolini
Jun 26, 2011
I apologies if its been said and I missed it, but once this is done will the mod be available on the workshop?

I am sure that communism will prevail

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Jack2142
Jul 17, 2014

Shitposting in Seattle

ITT people wanting to make rash strategic decisions in relation to the base game without modded changes.

wiegieman
Apr 22, 2010

Royalty is a continuous cutting motion


There's a lot we can do on the offensive with real tank divisions, especially if our enemies don't have them.

Agean90
Jun 28, 2008


Dont even need that many, 2 or so with cavalry/motorized to exploit the break through will do Bad Things, especially in good tank country like france

The Bold Kobold
Aug 11, 2014

Bold to the point of certain death.

Ghost of Mussolini posted:

I apologies if its been said and I missed it, but once this is done will the mod be available on the workshop?

This would definitely be amazing.

hashashash
Nov 2, 2016

Cure for cancer discovered!
Court physicians hate him!

Ghost of Mussolini posted:

I apologies if its been said and I missed it, but once this is done will the mod be available on the workshop?

I am sure that communism will prevail

It's still not really completed and could do with a ton of balancing, but I'll probably release it eventually, sure. Just hoping that Paradox doesn't release too many patches until then.

Grammarchist
Jan 28, 2013

Wonder how much all the Ibrizi combat experience is going to count for. It'd be nice if they could hold out longer than they did in the Great War.

paragon1
Nov 22, 2010

FULL COMMUNISM NOW
I'm beginning to fear that our army is only making...moderate progress. :ohdear:

Luhood
Nov 13, 2012
Quite the opposite, we're actually doing better than any of us could hope for. In fact we're doing so well Hashim finds himself unable to actually spin it into a probable and likely narrative, in particular one the Goonmind would like. Yet no matter how many times he tries to replay the scenario we still end up winning, it's like the opposite of Dr. Strange's futures.

habeasdorkus
Nov 3, 2013

Royalty is a continuous shitposting motion.
It's also around exam season, and Hashim mentioned that he'd be busy until that was over.

Grammarchist
Jan 28, 2013

This is just the phony war before the attack on Paris. Just, you know, from the opposite political and geographical direction.

ZearothK
Aug 25, 2008

I've lost twice, I've failed twice and I've gotten two dishonorable mentions within 7 weeks. But I keep coming back. I am The Trooper!

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2021


Maybe instead of wishing Hashim luck in the war we should wish our LP'er luck in the exams.

frankenfreak
Feb 16, 2007

I SCORED 85% ON A QUIZ ABOUT MONDAY NIGHT RAW AND ALL I GOT WAS THIS LOUSY TEXT

#bastionboogerbrigade

ZearothK posted:

Maybe instead of wishing Hashim luck in the war we should wish our LP'er luck in the exams.
Why not both?

Snipee
Mar 27, 2010
Good luck with your exams, Hashim.

And lol, I just revisited the last update and remembered how screwed we are if we can’t manage to deliver a quick knockout blow to Francia. We are in such deep poo poo especially if we lose access to oil before we crack their defensive lines.

SlothfulCobra
Mar 27, 2011

Snipee posted:

And lol, I just revisited the last update and remembered how screwed we are if we can’t manage to deliver a quick knockout blow to Francia. We are in such deep poo poo especially if we lose access to oil before we crack their defensive lines.

Doesn't that boil down to "if we don't win, we lose"?

Lemniscate Blue
Apr 21, 2006

Here we go again.

SlothfulCobra posted:

Doesn't that boil down to "if we don't win, we lose"?

Thank you, Yogi Berra.

tildes
Nov 16, 2018
Just powered through this LP over the past month and wow, it seems like things really came full circle “how hosed are we?” wise.

puppets freak me out
Dec 18, 2015

Yeah, it's a solid place for a cliffhanger, narratively speaking. Things could really go either way at this point.

Luhood
Nov 13, 2012
Naw, if there's anything I know about Al-Andalus it's that it always goes full circle. 50/50 we'll either get the snot beaten out of us by Frankia or we'll get the snot beaten out of us by opportunistic rebels. Things can never go well for Al-Andalus, it's like a universal constant or something.

Luscious Snake
Apr 11, 2019

habeasdorkus posted:

The classic example of this is the poverty rates in various countries before and after transfers:
https://www.cbpp.org/sites/default/files/atoms/files/9-2-15pov-f15.png

The US lags way behind a lot of other more socdem nations, but still cuts the poverty rate by ~40%. Which is why people who say the great society programs failed are either not looking at the actual data or actively ignoring it.

Just noticed the great graphic above (timg snipped to save space), which really illustrates domestic inequality by median income in rich countries. Filling in on that, modern capitalist countries (which are overwhelmingly socdem to a meaningful degree, with a few exceptions like South Korea) also have extremely low rates of absolute poverty owing to the wealth that the efficiency of capitalism creates, mixed with the well-developed human resources, social stability and long-term investment security that a solid welfare program creates: https://ourworldindata.org/uploads/2013/05/End-of-absolute-Poverty-in-rich-countries-2.png (Graphic: The reduction of extreme poverty in countries that are rich today, 1820-2000.)

Good Luck with exams!
Hopefully when you get back it ends in an ongoing nuclear exchange between the Imariz Initiative and Europe. :getin: Can't spread the sunshine a couple of decades later without wrecking the story.

Luscious Snake fucked around with this message at 16:29 on May 21, 2019

V. Illych L.
Apr 11, 2008

ASK ME ABOUT LUMBER

which countries count as capitalist and/or what standards one sets for success seem to be rather important to both of those posts tbh

if one, say, deems success to be a practical elimination of poverty (not necessarily illegitimate) then a 40% reduction falls far short of the mark

likewise, i very much doubt anyone'd claim that e.g. bangladesh is not a capitalist country and uh they have like 17% poverty rate which is extremely not great

shades of blue
Sep 27, 2012
Poverty is a capitalist construct

Crazycryodude
Aug 15, 2015

Lets get our X tons of Duranium back!

....Is that still a valid thing to jingoistically blow out of proportion?


The imperial core being rich and bribing their workers with social safety nets isn't exactly news, the whole global south is capitalist too and still as hosed as ever, we've known this for over a century.

SlothfulCobra
Mar 27, 2011

Very often with these sorts of analyses I feel like it comes down to the very ambiguous definition of capitalism. Everything feels like it's nestled in cold war era propaganda more than anything else. Very often it turns into long, sprawling bad-faith arguments about the incompatibility of freedom and social welfare.

Notably, most arguments about benefits of capitalism are about free markets, but there is also a certain lack of free markets in areas with the worst excesses of capitalism.

paragon1
Nov 22, 2010

FULL COMMUNISM NOW
:clint: Careful there partner, that trail you're on leads to ancap town.

It's a bad place.

420 Gank Mid
Dec 26, 2008

WARNING: This poster is a huge bitch!

SlothfulCobra posted:

Very often with these sorts of analyses I feel like it comes down to the very ambiguous definition of capitalism. Everything feels like it's nestled in cold war era propaganda more than anything else. Very often it turns into long, sprawling bad-faith arguments about the incompatibility of freedom and social welfare.

Notably, most arguments about benefits of capitalism are about free markets, but there is also a certain lack of free markets in areas with the worst excesses of capitalism.

Free markets are a bourgeois lie told to suppress class consciousness. Like the "middle" class or young Sheldon.

habeasdorkus
Nov 3, 2013

Royalty is a continuous shitposting motion.
Carefully regulated markets, though, can be pretty damned useful.

Rody One Half
Feb 18, 2011

Please God, let Hashim go back to killing French people

SlothfulCobra
Mar 27, 2011

paragon1 posted:

:clint: Careful there partner, that trail you're on leads to ancap town.

It's a bad place.

I mean sure, there's a load of problems that can't be solved by free markets, but when they work, they work.

And when there's a massive power disparity they don't work, which can mean the labor market or healthcare or monopolies or cartels. One of the big things that governments need to do for maintaining markets is busting down anybody who "wins" the competition and starts setting up their own little hegemony. Which is a weird concept to get your brain around, but it sure is easier than trying to centrally manage everything.

But so many people try to phrase everything into unworkable absolutes by shoving everything into fairly narrow boxes because they don't actually want workable solutions. Although due to current power differentials, right now there's far more bad faith arguments on the libertarian side than the other.

Kangxi
Nov 12, 2016

"Too paranoid for you?"
"Not me, paranoia's the garlic in life's kitchen, right, you can never have too much."

Rody One Half posted:

Please God, let Hashim go back to killing French people

ChaseSP
Mar 25, 2013



Rody One Half posted:

Please God, let Hashim go back to killing Iberian people

ZearothK
Aug 25, 2008

I've lost twice, I've failed twice and I've gotten two dishonorable mentions within 7 weeks. But I keep coming back. I am The Trooper!

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2021


I hope Hashim is okay.

Slaan
Mar 16, 2009



ASHERAH DEMANDS I FEAST, I VOTE FOR A FEAST OF FLESH

ZearothK posted:

I hope Hashim is killing French and Iberian people

shades of blue
Sep 27, 2012
I hope Hashim is killing the wealthy land owning class

GunnerJ
Aug 1, 2005

Do you think this is funny?

Sampatrick posted:

I hope Hashim is killing the wealthy land owning class

:same:

Snipee
Mar 27, 2010
I find it difficult to imagine an alternative economic system that could endure without at least partially relapsing back into capitalism over the medium/long run or getting so economically eclipsed by wealthier capitalist enemies that national security simply becomes too costly to keep up. It is much easier for me to imagine a social democratic solution where capitalist interests are frequently made subordinate to public welfare but are otherwise relatively free to operate within regulated markets.

Anyways, in this fictional hellworld with Al Andalus, failure to defend our socialist revolution would probably end up with us imprisoned and/or slaughtered by fascist Franks. Our totalitarian police state still easily manages to hold the higher moral ground in this world war. :colbert:

CommissarMega
Nov 18, 2008

THUNDERDOME LOSER

Sampatrick posted:

I hope we start killing the wealthy land owning class

shades of blue
Sep 27, 2012

Snipee posted:

I find it difficult to imagine an alternative economic system that could endure without at least partially relapsing back into capitalism over the medium/long run or getting so economically eclipsed by wealthier capitalist enemies that national security simply becomes too costly to keep up. It is much easier for me to imagine a social democratic solution where capitalist interests are frequently made subordinate to public welfare but are otherwise relatively free to operate within regulated markets.

Anyways, in this fictional hellworld with Al Andalus, failure to defend our socialist revolution would probably end up with us imprisoned and/or slaughtered by fascist Franks. Our totalitarian police state still easily manages to hold the higher moral ground in this world war. :colbert:

Wow it's like you almost got it and then it slipped away at the last moment

Beamed
Nov 26, 2010

Then you have a responsibility that no man has ever faced. You have your fear which could become reality, and you have Godzilla, which is reality.


Sampatrick posted:

Wow it's like you almost got it and then it slipped away at the last moment

Yes, that's what being imprisoned for failing would look like, if we were to slip away at the last moment in the fierce defense of our morally uprighteous ideals.

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hashashash
Nov 2, 2016

Cure for cancer discovered!
Court physicians hate him!
Everything's good and my last exam is in a couple days, so we'll be back pretty soon

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