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I think it's kind of cool how Tanya starts out as a grunt and has to claw her way up the ranks and even by the end of the series she's still just a mid-level grunt. It's a more realistic take on what would actually happen if someone had perfect foreknowledge of a war (read: getting forced into making a bunch of bad decisions by people with more authority than you) as opposed to the more typical isekai trope where the MC somehow instantly catapults themselves into the position of great General and makes sweeping reforms to totally alter the course of the war. even with that aspect though it's kind of meh and not really worth a watch imo
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Elfface posted:The ending page of the new sword-dad deserves to be airbrushed on the side of a van, and also be the finishing blow against a powerful enemy. I wish sword dad wasn't an isekai because it's a fun premise with some good moments, but the video game stats stuff makes the writing very lazy and him being reincarnated doesn't seem to bring anything to the story. There are stories in this genre where they do something fun or interesting with those elements, but when I read sword dad I just end up thinking that him being reincarnated takes up space where the sword could have a more interesting backstory, and the video game stats replace more interesting fights and progression with "oh I levelled up" and "I stole this skill sometime in the past, I will use it here!".
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May 22, 2019 07:52
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Part of the fun of Tanya is her sociopathic overachiever salaryman mentality clashing with her desire for luxury and safety. The outside perspectives help a lot as well. And the light novels have the hook of chapters about a post-war journalist doing an investigation into Tanya and the unit she commanded, and finding all the records on multiple sides gone or destroyed, with people not really willing to talk about her. Pharohman777 fucked around with this message at 08:11 on May 22, 2019 |
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May 22, 2019 08:07
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I've heard it described as "Blackadder goes Forth: The Anime" which has made me kinda interested. I'll probably watch it when I free up some time thanks to Isekai Quartet. I should probably get around to Re:Zero too.
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May 22, 2019 08:40
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It's not quite awful but the anime doesn't quite get anywhere except set up a rival for Tanya. Not like Overlord exactly has gotten anywhere that interesting. Sure, things develop but Ainz is still Ainz and totally OP. That said, you can totally see Tanya getting the payback she deserves, whereas it seems ridiculous to suggest Ainz could be beaten.
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May 22, 2019 09:15
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Yea it's better than Overlord but that show is bullshit
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May 22, 2019 11:30
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Pharohman777 posted:Part of the fun of Tanya is her sociopathic overachiever salaryman mentality clashing with her desire for luxury and safety.
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May 22, 2019 14:25
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Factor_VIII posted:I really disliked Tanya as a character due to the fact she's a manipulative sociopath who puts less value on the lives of those around her than a normal person would put to the lives of ants. She'd happily manipulate, injure or kill anyone if it benefited her in some way with absolutely no hesitation. I also didn't like that she was a genius with insane magic powers. The god that send her there was supposedly trying to teach her humility, so making her as overpowered as the average Narou isekai protagonist made no sense. Considering all she wants is to sit in the backlines and live the good life, making her become the focal point of the army is a pretty spiteful from Being X
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korrandark posted:Considering all she wants is to sit in the backlines and live the good life, making her become the focal point of the army is a pretty spiteful from Being X yeah it's funny how her OP superpowers actually work against her in a lot of ways. If she didn't have any magic powers at all she could totally score that rear-echelon clerical work she dreams of. And even if she just wasn't the Best Mage Ever she wouldn't have to deal with being constantly sent on insane suicide missions by superiors she can't refuse and being a kill-on-sight priority target for the enemy forces.
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Factor_VIII posted:I really disliked Tanya as a character due to the fact she's a manipulative sociopath who puts less value on the lives of those around her than a normal person would put to the lives of ants. She'd happily manipulate, injure or kill anyone if it benefited her in some way with absolutely no hesitation. I also didn't like that she was a genius with insane magic powers. The god that send her there was supposedly trying to teach her humility, so making her as overpowered as the average Narou isekai protagonist made no sense. I would really describe it more as X was trying to teach Tanya to believe in X instead of being an atheist, thus the prayer she has to say every time she wants to use her magic.
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Red Bones posted:I wish sword dad wasn't an isekai because it's a fun premise with some good moments, but the video game stats stuff makes the writing very lazy and him being reincarnated doesn't seem to bring anything to the story. There are stories in this genre where they do something fun or interesting with those elements, but when I read sword dad I just end up thinking that him being reincarnated takes up space where the sword could have a more interesting backstory, and the video game stats replace more interesting fights and progression with "oh I levelled up" and "I stole this skill sometime in the past, I will use it here!". The manga has just finished up the first major arc, setting up Fran and the world. We're basically leaving the tutorial area, and while Fran and her sword are pretty strong, they're far from the strongest thing out there and they're about to learn that in a serious way. Which also means they're going to stop always coasting on stats alone, though they do continue to matter, and there will be more interesting fights. There's also a taste of the mystery regarding the sword, though it doesn't answer anything, just adds more questions. While avoiding spoilers I do want to say there is quite the backstory regarding the sword and why it contains a reincarnated soul, though it does take too long until we find out more (like, past the fan translation of the WN until we learn everything, though there are some answers along the way).
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LibrarianCroaker posted:I would really describe it more as X was trying to teach Tanya to believe in X instead of being an atheist, thus the prayer she has to say every time she wants to use her magic. korrandark posted:Considering all she wants is to sit in the backlines and live the good life, making her become the focal point of the army is a pretty spiteful from Being X
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tanya's not smart enough to realize that cushy backline jobs are obtained via connections, not merit.
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I think the issue with Tanya is less that she has too many negative traits and more that she has no positive ones. I read the first dozen chapters of the manga and never felt any reason to root for her. The war setting is exceedingly well done, and the central joke is pretty good too (that a cold, calculating corporate climber would do just as well in a military as in business). But I never got the sense the protagonist was going to grow or learn anything. Maybe if it were more of a dark comedy it would work better, like Thank You For Smoking meets Catch 22. But most of the battle scenes are played straight.
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The moment I saw my local theater was playing the Tanya movie was one of the most baffling moments of my life.
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everythingWasBees posted:instant death is a p uncomfortable power fantasy with lots of kind of skeevy elements so im gonna ask we not discuss that one in this thread I interpreted as a parody of power fantasies (by turning it into a childish game of "nuh uh, you're dead"), and frankly it seemed to lack all the second elements of power fantasies, like everyone falling in love with how amazing the main character is, or the main character always being morally justified no matter what, but all right. It certainly has this ultra-violent shock value thing going on.
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nrook posted:I think the issue with Tanya is less that she has too many negative traits and more that she has no positive ones. I read the first dozen chapters of the manga and never felt any reason to root for her. The war setting is exceedingly well done, and the central joke is pretty good too (that a cold, calculating corporate climber would do just as well in a military as in business). But I never got the sense the protagonist was going to grow or learn anything. I dunno that you are really supposed to be rooting for her? Like you say the story gives you basically no reason to do so.
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korrandark posted:Considering all she wants is to sit in the backlines and live the good life, making her become the focal point of the army is a pretty spiteful from Being X This is the same excuse a number isekai WNs use to be like "but it's not REALLY wish fulfillment," though. I'm pretty sure I've encountered at least like 5+ with a premise of "I just wanted to relax and be normal, but I was OP?!"
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linall posted:I dunno that you are really supposed to be rooting for her? Like you say the story gives you basically no reason to do so. I haven't read the books, but it comes across like she's a one-person No Exit: trapped by her own flaws into creating her own little Hell for herself. She's not good, and won't ever be, it's just interesting to watch the fallout.
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The times when Being X actually does clown on her are really good.
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I'm 90% certain this whole thing is Being X making that rear end in a top hat fix up that trash world for them while they throw popcorn and say rude things.
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linall posted:I dunno that you are really supposed to be rooting for her? Like you say the story gives you basically no reason to do so. I mean the English title is The Saga of Tanya the Evil so I think it's fair to say that there might be some subtle hints that she might not be a great person who you should be rooting for.
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I still think it's worth watching the shows to get the maximum enjoyment out of Issekai Quartet, even if you didn't like some of them. I really didn't care for Re:zero, but still watched through it.
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SpartanIvy posted:I started watching Tanya of the Evil Empire or whatever solely because it's the only quarter of Isekai Quartet I haven't seen. Gotta say, the first episode didn't really blow me away. Does it get a lot better or is it just "crazy OP Isekai protagonist in magical WWI" the whole time. I'd at least watch the second episode. It's the one that introduces the isekai elements and it does change the feel of the show a fair bit.
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Paracelsus posted:I haven't read the books, but it comes across like she's a one-person No Exit: trapped by her own flaws into creating her own little Hell for herself. She's not good, and won't ever be, it's just interesting to watch the fallout. Yeah, this is pretty much why Tanya is fun to watch and read. And you know that the fallout is big enough that in the postwar chapters all sides want to forget about her, so there's this anticipation of what she's gonna do that makes governments scrub her out of history. Pharohman777 fucked around with this message at 11:09 on May 23, 2019 |
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Watching Isekai Quartet got me thinking of what would happen if Megumin met Lina Inverse. What kind of satisfaction would Megumin get if she learned Lina's Dragon Slave.
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Xelkelvos posted:Watching Isekai Quartet got me thinking of what would happen if Megumin met Lina Inverse. What kind of satisfaction would Megumin get if she learned Lina's Dragon Slave. It's not the Explosion spell, so she wouldn't care.
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sunken fleet posted:I mean the English title is The Saga of Tanya the Evil so I think it's fair to say that there might be some subtle hints that she might not be a great person who you should be rooting for. I agree. I was just just responding to nrook's post where they said it was hard to root for Tanya. I mean, I think the show sometimes gets lost in the weeds ( haven't read the source material so I can't say if the light novels have the same problem ), but to my mind the draw of the story is definitely watching her self-destruct.
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linall posted:I agree. I was just just responding to nrook's post where they said it was hard to root for Tanya. I mean, I think the show sometimes gets lost in the weeds ( haven't read the source material so I can't say if the light novels have the same problem ), but to my mind the draw of the story is definitely watching her self-destruct. I think we might violently agree on this one. The parts of the story on the back line are fun because they're mostly comedy, and you don't need to empathize with Tanya to laugh at her misfortunes. But since the battles are played straight and don't have a sympathetic protagonist, I found it tough to care about how they would turn out.
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What’s the name of the sword dad manga? I would like to read it
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thetoughestbean posted:What’s the name of the sword dad manga? I would like to read it Tensei Shitara Ken Deshita
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Funnily enough if you search "Sword Dad" on mangadex it actually shows up. Thanks, taggers.
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Tanya's author fetishizes germany way too much like the schleswig war, which the first arc was about, portrayed the "germans" as the underdogs when inreality they absolutely crushed the danes because lol what the gently caress denmark why would you declare war on germany? edit:also who even cares about the schleswig war?
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sunken fleet posted:I mean the English title is The Saga of Tanya the Evil so I think it's fair to say that there might be some subtle hints that she might not be a great person who you should be rooting for. she's a libertarian so that says all you need to know about her morals right there
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She also steals Christmas presents, so she's basically the Grinch.
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Mordaedil posted:She also steals Christmas presents, so she's basically the Grinch. "Is The Grinch A Libertarian" - the greatest thread in the history of forums, locked by a moderator after 12,239 pages of heated debate,
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multiple new chapters of overly-cautious hero, and...there's a TV anime in production already? the cartoonish expressions of the goddess are really refreshing. she goes from semi-moeblob to spongebob-esque from frame to frame I love this one in particular 
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May 25, 2019 11:03
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This chapter has been deleted. That's pretty cautious.
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Vonnie posted:This chapter has been deleted.
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Captain Invictus posted:I guess some 4chan guy uploaded it against the translator's wishes. the translator hosts his stuff on https://www.boredomsociety.xyz/titles/info/22 Cool, I didn't know they were up like nine updates already.
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