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Asehujiko posted:Turns out that getting Cao Cao'd shortly after making a trade deal with the victim causes -60 diplomacy penalty for breaking the deal and my Kong Rong trading upwards campaign is now dead in the water unless I sit here mashing end turn for two hours until the betrayal penalty goes away. Where do you see the honor rating in the diplo screen? I can't find it.
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Lol if the emperor gets deposed then when he grows up he can turn up as a roaming character with the title “Former Emperor” But his portrait is generic. Sorry buddy.
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May 25, 2019 17:40
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ethanol posted:This is going like atilla for me in terms of constantly getting owned by the cpu. Is cao cao really the easiest recommended start or is this a lie Cao Cao is actually pretty goddamn hard because he's in basically the center of every faction in the game so he has to spin a lot of diplomatic plates to not get gangbanged from all ends at all times(and sometimes this happens anyway). Sun Jian is the actual easy mode start since you basically have southern China all to yourself and if you give up the Imperial Seal when asked you don't get sucked into war with any major players outright.
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May 25, 2019 17:41
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Kanos posted:Cao Cao is actually pretty goddamn hard because he's in basically the center of every faction in the game so he has to spin a lot of diplomatic plates to not get gangbanged from all ends at all times(and sometimes this happens anyway). Sun Jian is the actual easy mode start since you basically have southern China all to yourself and if you give up the Imperial Seal when asked you don't get sucked into war with any major players outright. Sun Jian also starts married, his starting three kids turn into powerhouse uniques and he and Lady Wu are randy as all hell. They have seven kids in my game.
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May 25, 2019 17:44
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McTimmy posted:Sun Jian also starts married, his starting three kids turn into powerhouse uniques and he and Lady Wu are randy as all hell. They have seven kids in my game. Sun Jian's only weakness is that the south is poor as hell compared to the central plains provinces Cao Cao and the rest fight over
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May 25, 2019 17:50
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Having a really boring Gongsun campaign where after taking the mine and harbour, Zhao Yun sailed all the way to the razed imperial city (looking for trade partners), rebuilt it with his bare hands (and money from trade partners) and has sat there staring at Lu Bu's full stack along the river. Everyone's now coming to pay tribute. 2.5k from Cao Cao just to be friends. Money > troops
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May 25, 2019 17:54
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Kanos posted:Cao Cao is actually pretty goddamn hard because he's in basically the center of every faction in the game so he has to spin a lot of diplomatic plates to not get gangbanged from all ends at all times(and sometimes this happens anyway). Sun Jian is the actual easy mode start since you basically have southern China all to yourself and if you give up the Imperial Seal when asked you don't get sucked into war with any major players outright. Or keep the seal and push to create alliances / vassalise the few surrounding northernmost provinces so you can finish up the south before moving forward. That's how I'm playing and it's glorious. I'm also insanely rich despite having multiple armies on the battlefield. Went high food and just sell it to my opponents quite often for 1k~ for 10 turns.
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May 25, 2019 18:14
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Is there any way to know if a character is one of the uniques? For example Sun Quan is a unique, but not legendary so unless you know the story you could miss him.
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May 25, 2019 18:22
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Can't you just tell from their portrait being different? You can see all the truly unique characters in custom battle setup screen.
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May 25, 2019 18:25
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I am absolutely blown away by the performance. Im used to TW laughing at my AMD cpus and laying down to take a nap. No crazy 20fps. No turns taking 8 years. This is great!
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May 25, 2019 18:28
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Mantis42 posted:Can't you just tell from their portrait being different? You can see all the truly unique characters in custom battle setup screen. Thanks, i guess i will learn all the generic faces pretty soon. Is it possible to switch an administrator to another province in more need without pissing him off by firing him?
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May 25, 2019 18:37
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There's something very satisfying about the cavalry in this game. I'm finding the cpu doesn't make much use of cav and instead just dump tons of front line infantry, which lets me just engage the front line and have 8 units of cavalry cause chaos everywhere else. Now that I have some trebs I might half my force of infantry and just nuke the enemy on the approach. It's really easy to at least momentarily rout a unit and cavalry can just push them off the map even if they normally would have recovered. If you haven't used flaming shot trebuchets yet: USE FLAMING SHOT TREBUCHETS.
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May 25, 2019 18:39
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lurksion posted:From playing as Liu Bei, you can only annex a city that doesn't have an army in it. Then right click brings up an annex option. Otherwise still need to siege. Turns out you have to select an army, then select what you want to annex. Even though the army isn't involved at all. You can't just right click them on the map. Makes zero sense but whatever, that's how you annex Han empire territories if anyone else was wondering.
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May 25, 2019 18:42
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The Duggler posted:If you haven't used flaming shot trebuchets yet: Yeah, I was fighting a large battle defending a grain estate from Yuan Shao attacking it unexpectedly with several armies emerging from fog of war. The settlement has four gates and he's attacking from three sides at once. My battle bros fight an enemy at a gate each. My bossman and his archers are to hold off the largest enemy force until the others arrive to flank it. Everything is going well. One enemy force was sent packing very early, and the freed up forces arrived to help finish off one of the second waves at the other brother's gate. My tired, depleted forces now have them flanked and are just about to roll down their battle line. From off the map an enemy trebuchet casually rolls onto the battlefield and immediately proceeds to hammer my flanking force with highly accurate flaming shot, sending two units running at once. I barely manage to complete the flanking action and I have to plug the holes in my line with out-of-arrow archers. This does not deter the trebuchet of fiery doom. It proceeds to burninate my tired and depleted forces as they march towards my bossman's beleagured archers and crap-tier infantry. I divert a cavalry unit to make it stop, but there's a bunch of archers hanging out next to it, and my shield-less cavalry are forced to turn back. The stupid trebuchet keeps firing until I finally manage to get another cavalry unit between the two enemy detachments and murder the gently caress out of the trebuchet crew. That single trebuchet almost cost me the battle, and it did cost me a truckload of casualties by messing up my battle lines at a critical time. My own trebuchet is now enroute to the front, built by a really smart chap named Sima Lang. I really hope I can trust him to not turn it against me. PederP fucked around with this message at 20:13 on May 25, 2019 |
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May 25, 2019 19:57
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trebuchets are absurdly accurate at the moment, i am definitely looking forward to that being nerfed
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May 25, 2019 19:59
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The Duggler posted:There's something very satisfying about the cavalry in this game. I'm finding the cpu doesn't make much use of cav and instead just dump tons of front line infantry, which lets me just engage the front line and have 8 units of cavalry cause chaos everywhere else. Zane fucked around with this message at 20:09 on May 25, 2019 |
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May 25, 2019 20:05
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Looks like models interact a bit less woodenly. Cavalry certainly look more fluid. Still not a lot of momentum to a charge from what I can see. Generals seem pretty great in that regard, and in the way they can dynamically attack whatever's in range of their weapon. Foot melee is a bit less turn-based looking too. Hope they can keep improving it from Total Ham 3
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May 25, 2019 20:18
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Sheep posted:Turns out you have to select an army, then select what you want to annex. Even though the army isn't involved at all. You can't just right click them on the map. I think the army has to manually go over to the territory to annex? Or maybe that's the Liu Bei annexation and the Emperor annexation is different?
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May 25, 2019 20:22
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sassassin posted:Having a really boring Gongsun campaign where after taking the mine and harbour, Zhao Yun sailed all the way to the razed imperial city (looking for trade partners), rebuilt it with his bare hands (and money from trade partners) and has sat there staring at Lu Bu's full stack along the river. Everyone's now coming to pay tribute. 2.5k from Cao Cao just to be friends. Also having a strange go with my Gongsun Zan game now that I’ve secured the northeast. As predicted, Yuan Shao hovered up over half a dozen into vassals and offered me a ton of benefits to join after I kept turning down offers (due to my main mission to wipe him out). I should have accepted, but later on I joined a coalition with Kong Rong who became a force on his own. Crazy thing is that all of Shao’s vassals started offering me ludicrous amounts of money for NAPs and I have military access through Shao’s lands who is keeping in touch. I’m currently limping back home hoping to get there before we starve because we ran out of supplies. Kong Rong holds the puppet emperor and there’s war declarations flying everywhere, but everyone aside from a few that are being targeted by the two main factions love me to death. I have a spy that infiltrated into being a general for Shao and is part of his administration, set up a spy network and counterintelligence. We are definitely playing the game of thrones right now. It’s loving insane. E: Also I adopted best friend Zhao Yun into the family and while my only adult son was pissed at first, he and Zhao are now hitting it off as buddies too 
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May 25, 2019 20:40
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Oh man, if one of your generals dies in battle and is good buddies with the other generals in the stack they go BERSERK
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May 25, 2019 20:51
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So I had a spy commanding an enemy army during a siege, but I didnt get any cool "open the gates" or defect option from the spy menu. Do those options exist?
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May 25, 2019 20:54
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Symetrique posted:So I had a spy commanding an enemy army during a siege, but I didnt get any cool "open the gates" or defect option from the spy menu. Do those options exist? Go to your spy network tab and there are up to four little menus that your spy can purchase with spy points depending on how deep he is infiltrated. One of the options is to open the gates.
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May 25, 2019 20:56
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This game loving owns. Also it should probably have its own thread?
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May 25, 2019 21:21
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How is the AI in this? Thats always been my problem with these games because its easy to just roll over them for context the last one I played was napoleon
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May 25, 2019 21:40
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Control Volume posted:How is the AI in this? Thats always been my problem with these games because its easy to just roll over them I'm not a tactical master or anything but I think the AI is pretty decent. It has some weaknesses, like leaving its archers too exposed, but it has sane army compositions and uses them to good effect against me. I did have a hilarious heroic victory in a siege defense when the enemy generals charged in after their melee troops and got cut down after eating a ton of arrow fire. The entire army instantly broke when he went down.
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May 25, 2019 21:48
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Playing my first campaign as Cao Cao on VH/VH The battles so far are not very challenging or interesting. Hammer/Anvil seems to be the standard go to tactic. Since I'm playing romance mode my Xiahou Dun and Dian Wei mow down men by the hundreds each battle. The campaign map however. Hoo boy! The one AI that is a real danger to me is Yuan Shao. I have his coalition partners to my north, east and south. I have the mission to take Luo Yang but I really don't want to share a border with Yuan Shao just yet. So I sack the town north of Chen and let Yuan Shu take it. Signed a NAP with him and let him duke it out with Shao while I build up to raise a 3rd and 4th army. Meanwhile I'm mopping up the remains of the Han Empire to the south of Chen. My next goals are a temple town to the north east, held by Huang Shao and farmlands to my west, held by Kong Rong, my long time trading partner who I also have a NAP with. I cannot declare on Huang Shao because his vassal He Yi is also to my west. Declaring on him would mean fighting on two fronts. So I instigated Kong Rong to declare on He Yi, who is stronger than him and hopefully will wipe him out. I can then declare on Huang Shao, take out the recovering He Yi quickly and then focus on taking the temple town from Huang Shao. It feels good to Cao Cao This is all while certain doom is a constant possibility in the form of Yuan Shu breaking the NAP or any of the Shao coalition partners deciding to declare on me. I cant wait to see how this all plays out. Its 2019 and I'm playing a total war game for the campaign map  Game is very good (minus the english voice acting)
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May 25, 2019 21:57
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thebardyspoon posted:So how different/weird are the yellow turban rebellion guys? Figure they have to be one of the more unusual factions if they're the preorder/week one bonus factions. Just wondering whether to grab this game now or just wait a few weeks (I assume they'll only be like £7 anyway so not too fussed). They have their own army roster, their own hero classes, their tech system works more like classic TW research and they only gain diplomacy options as your faction advances up the ranks - at the start you cannot even make peace with the warlords. They also don't have the family system and don't do spies. Overall, they kinda play more like a traditional Total War game rather than Three Kingdoms. Also, everybody hates you and you can't diplomacy before reaching like the third faction rank. OTOH you get to peacefully annex any territory hed by generic Yellow Turban rebels on the map by marching up an army and telling them that you're in charge now.
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Damnit, I always get these games, then I always give up after 10 hours, so I was trying to avoid this, but the stories out of the thread is breaking that resolve. Also, one thing I am not clear on is how does the campaign work? I hear that there is a Romance mode and Records mode. What is the difference? Hero units like in Warhammer?
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May 25, 2019 22:03
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I am going to be a peace cultist and will destroy the corrupt Han dogs.
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May 25, 2019 22:13
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Perestroika posted:Yah, Yuan Shao is kind of a jerk and your best bet is to crush him as early as possible before his vassal cascade goes critical. What helped me was making friends with Zhang Yan to the west, which covered that whole flank very nicely and allowed me to zoom down towards the river, snagging all the good coastal settlements along there. Between the fishery port and the salt mines I now have food for days, which let me get big enough to support two full stacks to steal his capital, which in turn made it pretty easy to get his various vassals to peace out. Oh no, this was before his vassal swarm. I went the historical event route, then the other choice declared war on me anyway. With Han between Yuan Shao and me, I went west. This left me very horizontal while Yuan Shao took out all the Han between us. He could then field 3 full armies to my 1 and a half and I learned how the reserves system because we depleted several provinces. Zhang Yan was a helpful west defense who drew Lu Bu into our coalition, then got vassalised by Cao Cao, forcing me to conquer him. Then I recruited Zheng Jiang and married her to my son.
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Unlucky7 posted:Also, one thing I am not clear on is how does the campaign work? I hear that there is a Romance mode and Records mode. What is the difference? Hero units like in Warhammer? Pretty much. Romance mode means your characters are wushu ovie-esque solo-killing machines. Records mode they behave like generals in older titles, with their own cavalry bodyguard unit. In Romance mode you also can belt out challenges to 1v1 duels between the characters on both sides of a battle. Winning side gets a big bonus (and in some cases just your guy surviving a set time counts as a win). Rejecting a challenge gives a morale debuff to your army.
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Control Volume posted:How is the AI in this? Thats always been my problem with these games because its easy to just roll over them Anyone who tells you its any better than previous games (I.e. pretty bad) is kidding themselves. As long as you have cavalry to flank with and enough infantry to hold a line you smash them every time.
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May 25, 2019 22:23
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Turns out hammer and anvil are just as OP as they were in Rome 1
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I think it’s a great game in spite of the flawed AI, but I find it frustrating that in all these years they haven’t managed to make an AI that can combat a simple cavalry flank - even when they have overwhelming numbers.
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May 25, 2019 22:29
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Magni posted:In Romance mode you also can belt out challenges to 1v1 duels between the characters on both sides of a battle. Winning side gets a big bonus (and in some cases just your guy surviving a set time counts as a win). Rejecting a challenge gives a morale debuff to your army. I haven't been able to see many duels because opposing generals just say "Doesn't want to duel" and I don't have an option to call them out
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May 25, 2019 22:30
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Fuligin posted:This game loving owns. Also it should probably have its own thread? But then this thread would die, or people get confused posting in one or the other. CharlieFoxtrot posted:I haven't been able to see many duels because opposing generals just say "Doesn't want to duel" and I don't have an option to call them out Sometimes they change their mind once their boys start dying off.
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May 25, 2019 22:34
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lurksion posted:From playing as Liu Bei, you can only annex a city that doesn't have an army in it. Then right click brings up an annex option. Otherwise still need to siege. You can still annex a city with an army in it, you just need to carefully click on the city and not the army. I wasn't even at war with the Han and took a city from them this way, the garrisoning army gets plopped outside the city once you take it.
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Can you not call out duels the opponent doesn't want to cause a moral hit? I'm really enjoying my yellow turban play through but veterans seem better at dueling than scholars. Maybe better at everything. KPC_Mammon fucked around with this message at 22:41 on May 25, 2019 |
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May 25, 2019 22:38
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PeenCommander posted:Anyone who tells you its any better than previous games (I.e. pretty bad) is kidding themselves. As long as you have cavalry to flank with and enough infantry to hold a line you smash them every time. It’s not good but it certainly has improved. In Napoleon the ai would last samurai its general into your gun line and deploy line infantry in X formations so that a chunk of each regiment was shooting the other in the back. Warhammer has better battle AI though.
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sassassin posted:Sometimes they change their mind once their boys start dying off. Yeah enemy generals will pretty routinely start challenging Guan Yu or Zhang Fei when they're in the middle of slaughtering troops unchecked, just to slow their roll by tying them up
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