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Dance Officer posted:Then what do you suggest to our intrepid posting friend? gently caress off the internet entirely
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Cat Mattress posted:"Baudet" is the French word for a male donkey. No kidding?
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pigdog posted:The globalist left Save yourself some mental unboxing and just say "Jews" next time TIA.
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100YrsofAttitude posted:No kidding? Running it through my inline translator says "donkey, jackass, rear end"
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May 24, 2019 13:36
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100YrsofAttitude posted:No kidding? No kidding.
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May 24, 2019 13:40
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pigdog posted:Baudet is fantastic. He and Jussi Halla-aho are probably the politicians I admire the most. In my country the nationalists are much more hardcore and abrasive/Trumpian in style, but in this day and age, that's already unnecessary. The globalist left simply has no legs to stand on. They universally lose any public debate they dare enter, and that's why they only fight using censorship, lame propaganda, violence, and importation of voters who depend on them. It may have short term effectiveness, but at the same time it means are utterly unable to convince and convert anybody outside their bubble on the right. Slowly but inevitably, the tide is turning. Just wanted to say I'm happy for the Dutch, and best of luck getting their country back. Baudet certainly represents an interesting formula, and a step up from Wilders, but let's face it, he's still in the 'I'm an upstart party and my biggest concern is to get attention' phase of his political arc. Orbán said in his BHL interview (French, English) that he wouldn't ally with Marine Le Pen because, not being in government, she can say anything and not have to deal with the consequences of her proposal. The same concern should apply to any right-winger who looks at Baudet with anything more than cautious, watchful optimism. Plus I don't trust how his politics seem less the product of a coherent, native worldview and more like the regurgitation of American memes. Climate change denialism? loving Nexit? Is he looking to represent Dutch conservatism / nativism, or to get upvotes on r/The_Donald? Every serious European right wing movement has some ideas that are peculiar to their own nation, rooted in their history, and distinguish them from the Anglo-Saxon right wing ideologies; I find it difficult to believe that the Netherlands ought to be an exception. If he "clearly believes what he's saying", as Pluskut Tukker postulated, that's even more concerning. Still, if you pay attention, one thing you and the left-wing goons seem to 100% agree on is that the biggest priority for the modern-day European right wings is to get more Goldwater-esque (Bernie Sanders-esque?) figures who can take formerly fringe positions and make them acceptable, even appealing to the politically uninterested bourgeoisie. And the key thing about such figures is that they don't need to win to leave a mark on their country.
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NihilCredo posted:Baudet certainly represents an interesting formula, and a step up from Wilders, but let's face it, he's still in the 'I'm an upstart party and my biggest concern is to get attention' phase of his political arc. You might find useful this piece and a later update which go a bit into Baudet's intellectual inspirations (French fascists, mainly). I'd say the main peculiarity of Dutch rightwing politics so far has been that it claims the mantle of defending liberal values, free speech in particular, against the alleged threat of Muslim immigrants and intolerant lefties. Some of the narratives produced by the conservative movement in the US are useful for this as well, such as for instance the supposed threat to free, i.e. rightwing, speech on college campuses (leftist or antiracist speech somehow never gets the same degree of attention). Obviously this claim in the past gained some strength from the murders of Pim Fortuyn and Theo van Gogh by an animal rights activist and a radical Islamist respectively. Baudet has in the past availed himself of this reification of 'liberal values' and 'free inquiry' by arguing that it's perfectly alright for him to talk to Jean-Marie Le Pen or Jared Taylor to investigate their 'ideas' but he is different in that he basically wants to shut up whoever is against him. So there's more than a bit of Trumpism in him as well.
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It's always interesting to see the opinions of an actual right wing D&D poster now and again. The best bit, personally, is how he thinks there is a 'globalist left' and that the left is in any way winning. Anywhere. Like he might be doing the common thing and equating lovely centrists as 'left' but that doesn't make sense because centrists always prop up the right.
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Tfw you are Left because you want to enact trade protectionist strategies to defend domestic worker's jobs from foreign competition but also you are Globalist because you want the opposite of that 
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Regarde Aduck posted:It's always interesting to see the opinions of an actual right wing D&D poster now and again. The best bit, personally, is how he thinks there is a 'globalist left' and that the left is in any way winning. Anywhere. "The left is winning" == "Coming out as an actual nazi still isn't socially acceptable, so much for the tolerant left". On that note, if each and every ultranationalist scumbag and reddit culture warrior got hit by a bus the world would be an objectively better place.
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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Shibawanko posted:With him, it's also something of a reaction against Dutch traditional culture, where grandstanding and big gestures and intellectual pretensions were always discouraged. A cousin of the Law of Jante, I guess?
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Shibawanko posted:With him, it's also something of a reaction against Dutch traditional culture, where grandstanding and big gestures and intellectual pretensions were always discouraged. He affects a caricature of an old style intellectual, speaking Latin and quoting Hegel (whom I'm convinced he's never read), since that sort of thing is absent from Dutch politics generally and so it appeals to people who feel alienated from it. It's very much a reaction against technocratic mediocrity. The dumb person's idea of a smart person.
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Shibawanko posted:With him, it's also something of a reaction against Dutch traditional culture, where grandstanding and big gestures and intellectual pretensions were always discouraged. He affects a caricature of an old style intellectual, speaking Latin and quoting Hegel (whom I'm convinced he's never read), since that sort of thing is absent from Dutch politics generally and so it appeals to people who feel alienated from it. It's very much a reaction against technocratic mediocrity. America: "Those ivory tower intellectuals are corrupting our youth through universities! Time to swing to the right!" Netherlands: "This place is too anti-intellectual! Time to swing to the right!" The gently caress is wrong with the world?
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capitalism, my friend.
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AceOfFlames posted:America: "Those ivory tower intellectuals are corrupting our youth through universities! Time to swing to the right!" Well in a way they're the same, in that they both reject traditional intellectual life, it's just that Baudet does so more from the same pseudo-intellectual angle as Roger Scruton or Peterson, rather than the white trash angle Wilders always went for.
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I never paid much attention to Baudet but he strikes me as someone who's going after the young, highly educated conservative vote, not the average Joe.
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May 25, 2019 19:31
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In practice his voters are middle educated (mbo) older (50+) men.
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May 25, 2019 20:03
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PVV is for Nazis who like slager Baudet is for Nazis who like Wagner
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AlexanderCA posted:In practice his voters are middle educated (mbo) older (50+) men. This I don't doubt. His politics match theirs after all.
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And his party is literally already having the same dumb problems the pvv and lpf had, with infighting and stupid party members.
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May 26, 2019 09:52
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Gave my vote to DiEM25. Here's hoping they get a non-zero number of seats.
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Dance Officer posted:I never paid much attention to Baudet but he strikes me as someone who's going after the young, highly educated conservative vote, not the average Joe. It's mostly half-educated, extremely online autodidacts.
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YF-23 posted:Gave my vote to DiEM25. Here's hoping they get a non-zero number of seats. Comedy result: DiEM25 and Volt votes combined would have been enough for 1 seat.
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Shibawanko posted:It's mostly half-educated, extremely online autodidacts. So...it's an alt-right thing?
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suck my woke dick posted:Comedy result: DiEM25 and Volt votes combined would have been enough for 1 seat. Looking forward to seeing how the MMMbop strategy panned out for Volt.
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May 26, 2019 10:38
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Like everyone else I only remember Hanson from that one song, but apparently they're actually talented musicians who eventually turned into a pretty legit band.
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May 26, 2019 10:39
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double nine posted:the what strategy? AceOfFlames posted:I just walked past a group of Volt volunteers marching down the street waving EU flags to the sound of Hanson's MMMbop. The world is loving doomed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHozn0YXAeE
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First wanted to vote Volt, then I saw their top candidate is a "Freiherr von...", so I voted against aristocracy and for Greens. Also I saw that Varoufakis is running on the German list 
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Honj Steak posted:Also I saw that Varoufakis is running on the German list
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frankenfreak posted:I was shortly tempted when I saw DiEM and his name on the ballot tbh. Pamela Anderson and Slavok Zizek are also supporting DiEM. it's not a bad choice but they won't get enough for one seat 
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Voted Volt today because a friend is on the list. Doubt it'll change much but IMO the best democratic accountability is the kind where I know where he lives.
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Remember to vote if you can! Just voted for the Socialist People's Party. I'd recommend avoiding the far-right extremist parties on the rise currently, as they are all ignorant racists and fascists. Even voting for moderate conservatives (they still exist in Europe) as a vanguard against the extremists on the far right would be fine.
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Green wave incoming? I didn't vote for them myself because there are too many aspects I don't like, but hopefully part of the fallout will be that more attention is paid to climate change, pollution, and alternative energy sources.
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Just got back from doing my civic duty. Had completely tuned out the EP election until I remembered I had to go to vote today.
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