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I think it's a typo, and it's supposed to be "Montenegrin" - Macedonian and Bulgarian are in another group. Though they're not quite as similar, and Macedonian borrowed a lot from Serbian.
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May 27, 2019 18:10
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Languages can diverge pretty quickly (while still remaining the same language by reasonable standards), I wouldn't be surprised if there were already some pretty significant differences between the Korean spoken in respectively North Korea and South Korea.
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May 27, 2019 18:12
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They're quite different. North Korean accents are distinct enough even I can hear it and my Korean is poo poo. North Korean also has no English loanwords (except some Russian loanwords that are themselves English loanwords), while sometimes it feels like half of South Korean vocabulary is English. Some of that goes back further though, Korean has a range of dialects and Pyongyang Korean is different than Seoul Korean, which is what's considered standard in the south.
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A friend I talk to frequently is from Croatia, and she speaks in a deep Ikavian dialect, which is seen as hilarious hickspeak by most of Croatia, and more distant from standard Serbian which I speak than standard Croatian is. She has a huge beef with other Croats trying to force her to "fix" the way she speaks. It sort of reminds me of how a girl I used to date who speaks in a Torlakian dialect (spoken in Southeast Serbia, sort of transitional towards Macedonian) got "corrected" all the drat time while in Novi Sad. (e: She eventually conditioned herself to speak "standard" while in Novi Sad, to the point of having difficulty trying to go back to speaking Torlakian until she's been out of the city for a while)
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May 27, 2019 18:27
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my dad posted:A friend I talk to frequently is from Croatia, and she speaks in a deep Ikavian dialect, which is seen as hilarious hickspeak by most of Croatia, and more distant from standard Serbian which I speak than standard Croatian is. She has a huge beef with other Croats trying to force her to "fix" the way she speaks. It sort of reminds me of how a girl I used to date who speaks in a Torlakian dialect (spoken in Southeast Serbia, sort of transitional towards Macedonian) got "corrected" all the drat time while in Novi Sad. i have a southern accent that comes out when i'm drunk and i had a guy tell me in a bar once (in colorado) that i sounded like a racist and five minutes later was, no poo poo, still sounding off about bigotry and one of his points was that you can't judge people by the way they act and talk 
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my dad posted:A friend I talk to frequently is from Croatia, and she speaks in a deep Ikavian dialect, which is seen as hilarious hickspeak by most of Croatia, and more distant from standard Serbian which I speak than standard Croatian is. She has a huge beef with other Croats trying to force her to "fix" the way she speaks. She sounds cool, I hope she continues beefing with them.
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May 27, 2019 18:42
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Why would you not have Romanian and Moldovan on this map
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May 27, 2019 19:12
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According to the mapmaker, the official stance of Moldova now is that their language is Romanian, so they didn't include it.
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May 27, 2019 19:30
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Calling Moldovans Romanian in any way is, of course, incredibly controversial. Ah, Eastern European politics.
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May 27, 2019 23:03
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That's why I call Romanians Moldovans.
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May 27, 2019 23:19
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Golbez posted:the official stance of Moldova now is that their language is Romanian I bet that was done to offend someone else.Transnistria? Russia?
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May 27, 2019 23:24
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Ynglish and Am-airik’n laiïk, ar diffeuren. Yo! Is what I would say if english had the same standards as The Continent for what constitutes a language.
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May 28, 2019 00:13
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Comparing the broad understanding of Swedish and Norwegian as languages to "Chinese" or "Arabic" really illustrates the powerful influence of politics on sociolinguistics.
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Time to post this again, I guess https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-mOy8VUEBk
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May 28, 2019 00:48
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Has this been posted yet? From the Ethiopian foreign ministry:
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May 28, 2019 06:47
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SurgicalOntologist posted:Has this been posted yet? From the Ethiopian foreign ministry: ed: also i see their one congo policy is STRONG.
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May 28, 2019 07:00
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SurgicalOntologist posted:Has this been posted yet? From the Ethiopian foreign ministry: The Somalia thing I can understand why they'd do, but why unite the Congos?
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May 28, 2019 07:01
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Two of them was too confusing. One Congo or be Zaire, pick!
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May 28, 2019 07:05
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Toplowtech posted:Do they really want to invade Somalia? idgi? I guess they really want a coastline but invading Eritrea is 
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May 28, 2019 07:21
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I'm Cote d' * ˥voire
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May 28, 2019 08:37
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Bloodnose posted:Comparing the broad understanding of Swedish and Norwegian as languages to "Chinese" or "Arabic" really illustrates the powerful influence of politics on sociolinguistics. I mean both "Swedish" and "Norwegian" include dialects that are incomprehensible to speakers of the standard varieties. It's the exact same thing as "Arabic", on a smaller scale
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May 28, 2019 08:46
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Ynglish and Am-airik’n laiïk, ar diffeuren. Yo! https://sco.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page
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It'd be interesting to see the converse of this map: countries that nominally speak the 'same' language, but without actually being mutually comprehensible, e.g. Tunisian Arabic is not comprehensible to a Lebanese Arabic speaker (although like Swiss German to High German or Italian to Spanish or Haitian to French, it is quickly learned). That'd be politically loaded as hell too.
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Pakled posted:The Somalia thing I can understand why they'd do, but why unite the Congos? They've also reunited Sudan.
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May 28, 2019 10:29
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Ras Het posted:I mean both "Swedish" and "Norwegian" include dialects that are incomprehensible to speakers of the standard varieties. It's the exact same thing as "Arabic", on a smaller scale Yeah. As a native speaker of Norwegian, there are some dialects of Norwegian I find a good deal harder to follow than "standard" Swedish. Also we have a long land border and there's a good amount of dialect continuity across that border. For instance someone from Dalarna in Sweden sounds a lot like someone from Trøndelag in Norway. Spoken Danish is, well... kamelåså. But written Danish is basically the same as the bokmål form of Norwegian, with a little bit of old-fashioned misspelling and too many commas.
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May 28, 2019 12:30
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Doesn’t danish also do weird poo poo with numbers? Like weird enough that “quatre-vingt-dix-neuf” sounds like Archimedes personally simplified it?
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May 28, 2019 13:25
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Doesn’t danish also do weird poo poo with numbers? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4bmZ1gRqCc e: forgot how to set the time, skip to 1:58
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May 28, 2019 13:34
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Well yes. 753 would be spoken as "syv hundrede, tre og halvtreds" for example. Literally seven hundreds, three, and half-threescore. Where half-threescore is not half of threescore but the number halfway between two score and three score, of course. So it's not only a kind of mangled base 20 system but it's also middle-endian. In writing, though, even the Danes are likely to just put down 753 and be done with it
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May 28, 2019 13:40
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How to say "70" in French: How to say "80" in French:  How to say "80" in Italian: 
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May 28, 2019 16:08
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Cat Mattress posted:How to say "70" in French: we had to say soixante-dix cuz the roman empire stole our word for septante! I chased that rascal Caesar across Europe to get it back
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Saladman posted:It'd be interesting to see the converse of this map: countries that nominally speak the 'same' language, but without actually being mutually comprehensible, e.g. Tunisian Arabic is not comprehensible to a Lebanese Arabic speaker (although like Swiss German to High German or Italian to Spanish or Haitian to French, it is quickly learned). That'd be politically loaded as hell too. e: Admittedly that approach might result in a unified Continental Germanic, and a Global Romance. A Buttery Pastry fucked around with this message at 16:32 on May 28, 2019 |
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Cat Mattress posted:How to say "70" in French: The tre-vingt-dix people are truly depraved.
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Cat Mattress posted:How to say "70" in French: I particularly appreciate Brittany in these maps. presumably they were too scared of breton nationalists to survey the francophone majority?
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May 28, 2019 17:10
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I’m Alsace, where no one speaks french
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I'd be interested in a map of twenty-five vs. five-and-twenty for English speakers when talking about the time. I'd guess it's mostly around the English Midlands but it wouldn't surprise me to see it come up elsewhere like Utah.
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Guavanaut posted:I'd be interested in a map of twenty-five vs. five-and-twenty for English speakers when talking about the time. huh, i live in the midlands and have never heard anyone say this in my life. maybe i need to hang out with more old people in tiny villages or something
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Soricidus posted:I particularly appreciate Brittany in these maps. presumably they were too scared of breton nationalists to survey the francophone majority? Edgar Allen Ho posted:I’m Alsace, where no one speaks french I don't think it's a map about French speakers, but about romance languages (the various forms of languedoc and languedoil french), so celtic and germanic languages aren't included. Everyone in France says "soixante-dix" etc
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Guavanaut posted:I'd be interested in a map of twenty-five vs. five-and-twenty for English speakers when talking about the time. In the UK I've heard people say "half nine" when they mean half past nine. That's very confusing to me because "half nine" in Dutch means "half an hour before nine".
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:I’m Alsace, where no one speaks french
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