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wheatpuppy posted:According to my mother and my 8th-grade literature teacher, both of whom lived in the same town at the time, Eddings was charged and/or convicted of some pretty dire child abuse, and the Belgariad was written in part while he was in jail or prison. However, I have never found any information to either corroborate or firmly refute this. Everyone involved is dead now, so I guess I will be content with finding Eddings creepy just based on his books. It's on his Wikipedia page, with links to newspaper reports. Fortunately the print was too small to read the details.
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Safety Biscuits posted:It's on his Wikipedia page, with links to newspaper reports. Fortunately the print was too small to read the details. It's blurry but barely legible - long story short, they kept their adoptive children in cages in their basement. You know, as you do.
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May 25, 2019 13:21
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Here you go, if anyone actually wants to know. Dr Thomas Meade, Spearfish physician and the first to testify, told of examining the child shortly after arrival with Lawrence County officers, Spearfish police and highway patrolmen at the Eddings house the evening of Jan. 25. He told of finding the child in a fenced enclosure under the basement steps, wearing only an undershirt. Dr Meade described Scott David Eddings's appearance as "bewildered, friendly but frightened". On first examination he noted one of his hands were swollen as if circulation had been impaired; that the child walked with a limp, had a small cut on his cheek and a bruised leg. A later and more extensive examination disclosed that the child had multiple bruises on both legs, both old and fresh; an abnormality of the scalp. Dr Meade said perhaps the most evident thing he noticed was the fright and furtive glances that the child made each time someone came down the steps into the basement. Other observations by Dr Meade included... one-half of a large safety pin hung from a hook in the concrete block which the child demonstrated by pricking it into a small wound in his arm; and a screen-type apparatus which the doctor said was apparently used to hold him down. loving monstrous.
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May 25, 2019 15:28
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Well that's hosed. I thought I was in the disturbing articles thread for a moment.
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May 25, 2019 15:50
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What the gently caress e: his wikipedia page devotes exactly three sentences to this horror quote:They adopted one boy in 1966, Scott David.[9][10] They adopted a younger girl between 1966 and 1969.[10] In 1969 they lost custody of both children and each were sentenced to a year in jail from separate trials after pleading guilty to child abuse. [11] [12]
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May 25, 2019 19:17
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PJOmega posted:Not an empty quote. You might say that Moby's a Dick.
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May 25, 2019 20:07
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Strom Cuzewon posted:You might say that Moby's a Dick. ; or, The Fail
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May 25, 2019 23:25
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Safety Biscuits posted:It's on his Wikipedia page, with links to newspaper reports. Fortunately the print was too small to read the details. Huh, there's the power of the internet. 30+ years ago the Spearfish newspaper told me I didn't have enough info to find any relevant story, and my half-hearted Googling over the years was clearly not well-targeted. Sorry for doubting you, mom.
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May 26, 2019 01:31
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On the topic of plagiarism, I've noticed Empire of Silence by Christopher Ruocchio has been getting talked about in various places over the past few months and getting praised for being "Dune meets Patrick Rothfuss!" and so on, which is accurate because the author has apparently just ripped off passages wholesale from other books according to a goon review: https://www.goodreads.com/review/show/2438706777
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May 26, 2019 07:54
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That book SUUUUUUUUUUCKS. The comparison to Rothfuss is apt but not in a good way because the main character talks about all this cool stuff he's done in his life but you spend almost the entire book focused on a super boring story of him living on some boring planet. Also the part that should be interesting (the main character becoming a gladiator) is completely skipped over.
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May 26, 2019 15:09
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Jerry Cotton posted:Awful sex stuff sells, it seems. I guess I was spared most of it because I only read Susan Cooper, Ursula LeGuin, and the first five Eddingses as a kid. (Oh and Narnia but I can't remember a loving thing about them.) After that I didn't really read any fairy tale poo poo before running into Pratchett years later. My run-in with unexpected Awful Sex Stuff as a teenaged girl and fantasy fan was Mythago Wood by Robert Holdstock, which is esteemed enough to now be republished as part of the Fantasy Masterworks series (OK, that's not that high a bar). It could have done with a lot more of PTSD-afflicted veterans of a still-recent WW2 meeting entities summoned from mythology by wildwood magic, and a lot less of one of these entities being a very young Celtic warrior princess whose authentically Celtic hygiene standards were simultaneously gross and erotic to the (adult male) narrator. I don't think this character ever appeared without him commenting on her earthy, female smell. I ended up rooting for the one man in the whole book who didn't start perving on her as if her BO was some sort of human catnip.
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May 26, 2019 17:31
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I regret reading that spoiler v much
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May 26, 2019 18:35
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there wolf posted:No, that's all Tortal stuff and the earlier series at that. With Circle of Magic Peirce seems to deliberately be avoiding a lot of the baggage and corners she wrote herself into with the more conventional, Eurocentric fantasy world. She had this to say about the age gap thing in 2007 (and I do wonder what she's written about it since, but not quite enough to track it down): quote:After Numair, I got so many screeching protests about age gaps and my own love of older men that I have publicly sworn never again to have a humongous age gap between my female heroes and the people they end up with (George is seven years older than Alanna, Numair 14 years older than Daine*). So while the baggage is avoided, it might be because she's tired of hearing about it, as opposed to having experienced any flash of personal insight about pairing young women with their older male ex-mentors.
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May 26, 2019 19:01
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Now I'm glad I sold off the first five Belgariwhatever books when I'd become infuriated after finding out the ending was just "lol buy the next five books to find out what happened, dipshit!".
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May 26, 2019 23:58
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Gabriel-Ernest posted:She had this to say about the age gap thing in 2007 (and I do wonder what she's written about it since, but not quite enough to track it down): I think "everyone kept bitching so I stopped' counts as a deliberate choice to change. I'm probably inclined to cut her more slack because even the Diane+Numair was a million times less creepy than a lot of other examples I've read. Like if anyone wants to read some really garbage books, look up McCaffery's Talents series about people with psychic powers building a shipping empire. There's a part in the prequel books where this guy Sasha rescues this like 6 year-old orphan who has telekinetic powers. He helps raise her at their institute, and then they get married when she's like 16 and immediately start having babies. And you find out about it via a conversation with two other adults about when Sasha is going to settle down, oh don't you know he's in love with that tomboy and is just waiting till she's grown up enough.
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May 27, 2019 01:32
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I don’t think the defense of but there are creepier ones is a good excuse
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May 27, 2019 01:37
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I remember Jim Butcher dipping his toe into improper relationships when Harry Dresden gets a young girl as a student, and she comes on to him out of confused feelings. His reply is to dump cold water on her head, tell her that it's creepy, and she can do better than someone nearly twice her age. From as far as I got in the series, she is doing much better, and even becomes a pretty competent illusionist who seems well-adjusted in their screwed-up world. Then again, the last book I read was years and years back, so he may have gone crazy? Please don't say he went crazy...
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May 27, 2019 02:28
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CharlestheHammer posted:I don’t think the defense of but there are creepier ones is a good excuse Well I think this habit people like you have of responding to every attempt to think critically about problematic sexual politics in context with " you're making excuses for it!" is just cheap moral scolding. I'm not screaming about vagina bones here. I'm pointing out that at a time when predatory grooming of literal children was presented as normal and romantic in a lot of books, may/december relationships with a little power imbalance did feel more progressive.
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May 27, 2019 02:56
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The thing was the crow was in a later Tamora Pierce series, and I'd say that the age gap was pretty big there, but I suppose they're about the same age in... crow years. It's still messed up, though. At the start of the second book, the crow man is sulking that his girlfriend doesn't want to have sex with him, and tries withholding affection to force her into it: Crow Boy posted:I think you are mixed-up human. You think that mating is not important if you have kisses and preening. If I do not not kiss you and preen you, I think you will want to mate with me. To have nestlings. To be with me all our days. Later he leaves the story to fight on the front, and half the book later he comes back all confident and manly and they immediately start kissing in her office. Then: quote:Aly had time to gasp when he took his mouth from hers to taste the tender skin on her neck, and in the hollow of her collarbone. Dizzy, she suddenly realised that he'd undone her sash. So the outcome of the plot thread about the crow trying to pressure his girlfriend into sex is that he pressures her harder until she agrees. Great romance story. Tamora Pierce still writes pretty solid YA, but her books went downhill when she started writing longer ones with the same amount of plot. Shwoo has a new favorite as of 03:13 on May 27, 2019 |
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May 27, 2019 03:05
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J.A.B.C. posted:I remember Jim Butcher dipping his toe into improper relationships when Harry Dresden gets a young girl as a student, and she comes on to him out of confused feelings. His reply is to dump cold water on her head, tell her that it's creepy, and she can do better than someone nearly twice her age. Nah, it still full of male gazey stuff and lurid descriptions of perky nipples but Harry hasn't hooked up with Molly or anyone significantly younger than himself. There's a bunch of other creepy stuff, like literally everything to do with the sex vampires who are way too prominent in the series, but no underage relationships or student/teacher ones.
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May 27, 2019 03:05
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So, on a flight, heading back to visit family in Kansas, and I have a doozy of a read:HOPE NEVER DIES posted:America needs a Hero. Wish me luck.
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May 27, 2019 03:06
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there wolf posted:Well I think this habit people like you have of responding to every attempt to think critically about problematic sexual politics in context with " you're making excuses for it!" is just cheap moral scolding. I'm not screaming about vagina bones here. I'm pointing out that at a time when predatory grooming of literal children was presented as normal and romantic in a lot of books, may/december relationships with a little power imbalance did feel more progressive. This isn’t thinking critically in any real way, it’s just lame excuse making. Rather half assed at that. It’s like you know moral relativism is but you’ve never actually looked anything about it up.
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May 27, 2019 03:13
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J.A.B.C. posted:I remember Jim Butcher dipping his toe into improper relationships when Harry Dresden gets a young girl as a student, and she comes on to him out of confused feelings. His reply is to dump cold water on her head, tell her that it's creepy, and she can do better than someone nearly twice her age. The last book he wrote was a few years ago. I can safely say no, he didn't get creepy though.
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May 27, 2019 06:32
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J.A.B.C. posted:So, on a flight, heading back to visit family in Kansas, and I have a doozy of a read: C-SPAM awaits you eagerly. I think the author is probably sick of Harry Dresden at this point and kinda wrote himself into a corner.
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May 27, 2019 06:50
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J.A.B.C. posted:So, on a flight, heading back to visit family in Kansas, and I have a doozy of a read: People who write real-person fanfic are awful in like every possible way. Also “favorite Amtrak conductor” lmao
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May 27, 2019 09:08
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Stupid_Sexy_Flander posted:The last book he wrote was a few years ago. I can safely say no, he didn't get creepy though. I've heard the main reason Butcher hasn't been writing is that right after his steampunk book came out (and flopped apparently) he got screwed over by the contractor building his house and spent like a year and a half renting a room from a friend and not having anyplace to write while his house was slowly finished.
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May 27, 2019 09:49
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Huh, that sounds about right. The whole teacher/student thing comes up a lot when it comes to skeevy romances written by women. (CLAMP comes to mind being hella guilty of this, Card Captor Sakura's main character is the child of a professor who married one of his students, which apparently wasn't popular with her family either) Labes for days posted:People who write real-person fanfic are awful in like every possible way. Also “favorite Amtrak conductor” lmao No kidding, they tend to be considered awful weirdos even by people who write regular fanfiction. Somehow having them solve mysteries like a Venture Bros parody (or Mike Tyson Mysteries) is even worse than if they were loving.
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May 27, 2019 10:27
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Ghost Leviathan posted:No kidding, they tend to be considered awful weirdos even by people who write regular fanfiction. I am fangirl filth, I know what I’m talking about. It’s skeevy as hell, and I’ve never understood the urge. I guess historical fiction gets somewhat of a pass because those people aren’t alive but  this is the non sexual equivalent of writing The Wiggles porn.
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May 27, 2019 13:12
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Stupid_Sexy_Flander posted:The last book he wrote was a few years ago. I can safely say no, he didn't get creepy though. For as schlocky as Dresden gets, Butcher generally avoids anything that makes you do a double-take. I remember that the incredibly violent sex scene with a vampire was because someone dared him to write a loving romance scene that involved BDSM.
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May 27, 2019 19:30
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chitoryu12 posted:For as schlocky as Dresden gets, Butcher generally avoids anything that makes you do a double-take. I remember that the incredibly violent sex scene with a vampire was because someone dared him to write a loving romance scene that involved BDSM. What kind of dumbass writes poo poo like that because of a dare? Come on.
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May 27, 2019 20:34
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Antivehicular posted:What kind of dumbass writes poo poo like that because of a dare? Come on. He wrote the entire series on a dare.
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May 27, 2019 20:50
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IIRC, it was his ex-wife, and it was something about having plot-relevant BDSM
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May 27, 2019 20:51
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Given the recent success of trashy BDSM in fiction, I could see that being a relevant dare.
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May 27, 2019 20:59
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chitoryu12 posted:For as schlocky as Dresden gets, Butcher generally avoids anything that makes you do a double-take. I remember that the incredibly violent sex scene with a vampire was because someone dared him to write a loving romance scene that involved BDSM. This is like daring someone to build a computer and then handing them a Dell system in a box. All the parts are right there, it's as easy as it gets!
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May 27, 2019 23:44
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Don Gato posted:He wrote the entire series on a dare. That was a different series.
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May 28, 2019 02:37
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The Lone Badger posted:That was a different series. It was both.
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May 28, 2019 02:43
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YggiDee posted:It was both. I thought Dresden Files was written in a fit of pique "ok I'll follow every one of these writing rules and write some utterly formulaic schlock and it will be terrible, you'll see!". And then it sold.
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May 28, 2019 03:02
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Shwoo posted:The thing was the crow was in a later Tamora Pierce series, and I'd say that the age gap was pretty big there, but I suppose they're about the same age in... crow years. It's still messed up, though. I clicked on this thread by accident, started reading the page because why not, and holy loving lol I loved Tamora Pierce's books as a kid but clearly stopping after the "Immortals" quartet was a wise choice
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May 28, 2019 04:27
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LITERALLY A BIRD posted:I clicked on this thread by accident, started reading the page because why not, and holy loving lol Funny thing as said I only read her later books and they have none of this kind of thing since apparently she got called out on it.
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Good point, but I'm gonna be laughing about horny crow man for the rest of the evening anyway
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