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oliwan posted:The guardian is calling the greens 'radical' lmao Lmao
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May 27, 2019 14:25
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Kurnugia posted:dont worry, theyr just planning on ending your country sadly they also want to basically abolish our social security system, dismantle public transportation and kill all brown people and the like
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May 27, 2019 14:47
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oliwan posted:The guardian is calling the greens 'radical' lmao We live in hell
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May 27, 2019 14:54
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Honest Thief posted:Come on, 30 degrees out, if it weren't for the weirdly strong wind currents it would have been unbearable. Otherwise a pretty nice beach day. Look man, wind was blowing sand all over the place.i don't like sand.its coarse and rough and irritating and it gets anywhere.not like at the voting booth, where everything is soft and smooth.
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May 27, 2019 14:56
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Lawman 0 posted:Lmao Kurtofan posted:We live in hell  Radical alternatives such as Greens and far right benefit from record voter turnout
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May 27, 2019 15:10
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greens are the new media boogieman now that the far right stagnated
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oliwan posted:
Daniel Boffey, who is younger than I expected:  I guess the greens are pretty fringe in the UK
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twoday posted:Daniel Boffey, who is younger than I expected:
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oliwan posted:The guardian is calling the greens 'radical' lmao radical centrist
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May 27, 2019 16:11
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cgfreak posted:sadly they also want to basically abolish our social security system, dismantle public transportation and kill all brown people and the like Her school's budget used to be pretty poo poo already, but these refugee kids obviously need more time/attention cause they are behind on the language; so my aunt is pretty pissed off cause she is busy enough already. Ofc she blamed them for coming here and asking for the same resources to be used to facilitate more children. I argued that she should instead be angry at the government not giving her more aid / a class assistent or up the school's budgets so classes can stay smaller. She agreed. Her husband was ranting about high taxes and poo poo for all of them getting free stuff, and I argued that corporations should pay their fair share so the direct burden on the population goes down; and that instead of taking "the free stuff" (for the sake of argument i wasn't going to touch that one) away from people in need they should vote for parties that also want to give more "free stuff" to more than the absolute poorest people. I also went over wage stagnation and stuff like that. He agreed. At least they aren't outright against refugees, just frustrated with the system and taking it out on the easy target and buying into the media; not that excuses it. Even so I already know for sure they voted on a right wing party anyway. Zedd has issued a correction as of 16:16 on May 27, 2019 |
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the far centre has been pretty radical lately, they've been pushing their agenda of moving absolutely nothing and enforcing the status quo since the last recession.
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oliwan posted:
Oh my loving god dude
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May 27, 2019 16:47
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so hows the whole europe thing goinoliwan posted:The guardian is calling the greens 'radical' lmao lol
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May 27, 2019 21:01
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Antifa Poltergeist posted:Look man, wind was blowing sand all over the place.i don't like sand.its coarse and rough and irritating and it gets anywhere.not like at the voting booth, where everything is soft and smooth. unlike the voting booth i can find representation on the sand, because of all the trash... I did vote, but I'm not that surprised a lotta people are increasingly ambivalent towards Europe; I also have the notion that since the 90s the abstention rate has been quite high, dunno if it's right but feels like it.
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May 28, 2019 11:51
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Hey, at least now we're going to get an avalanche of articles on how maybe it was a bad idea to go "Austerity is actually good you loving entitled children", all of them under major pay walls but still somewhat forced.
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May 28, 2019 11:58
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don't forget you now have to register your data on nonio so they can sell it
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May 28, 2019 12:02
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You can't just assume that the nth articles are all of them going death krew on how the portuguese populace are ungrateful shits that think neoliberalism is real. That would drive major distrust of the press!! Now click thru adverts in order to get your news item about the weather.
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Kunster posted:Hey, at least now we're going to get an avalanche of articles on how maybe it was a bad idea to go "Austerity is actually good you loving entitled children", all of them under major pay walls but still somewhat forced. lol at least austerity isn't ongoing in your country then
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May 28, 2019 12:16
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It still kinda is and its slowly being worked out. It's just that there's a crop of people mad that the right is being associated with that. Oh and anyone who might call that crop of people shortsighted gets screamed at for being anti-free speech and a pooowwppuhiiist.
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May 28, 2019 12:30
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vote per age in french elections yellow s macrons party, green is greens, blue is conservative, brown is fn, red is melenchons party, pink is socialist (liberal centrist), grey is others.
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May 28, 2019 13:34
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Kurtofan posted:vote per age in french elections
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May 28, 2019 14:05
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Yep we're quite hosed on that front !
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is there a reason why FI and melenchons support has dropped so much? why have they not been able to be an effective opposition to macron?
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May 28, 2019 15:05
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i like what ive seen of macron and i dont care if thats uncool. wanna hang out with those pro-eu-integration-towards-an-european-federal-state french grandpas and grandmas
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May 28, 2019 15:13
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:is there a reason why FI and melenchons support has dropped so much? why have they not been able to be an effective opposition to macron? No idea myself, but from French people I know he looked like an idiot in the video of the police raid on his headquarters. If I'd have to guess then the French left currently just isn't in a voting mood. Feels less radical to vote for the commie when you're setting fire to the city.
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May 28, 2019 15:32
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poty posted:i like what ive seen of macron and i dont care if thats uncool. wanna hang out with those pro-eu-integration-towards-an-european-federal-state french grandpas and grandmas gross
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May 28, 2019 15:38
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not many neoliberal death cultists dare to show their true colors on cspam, you have to admire the chutzpah if nothing else
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May 28, 2019 15:48
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Zedd posted:My aunt is a teacher for kids age 8 or so, her town has over the last few years finally seen some random non-white people move in, and also some actual refugees that got settled there. My father & mother in law kind of talked like that for the previous national elections. My bf and I were very worried for them voting some right-wing party (which they were considering) but eventually they ended up voting for the socialists, so there's still hope!
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poty posted:i like what ive seen of macron and i dont care if thats uncool. wanna hang out with those pro-eu-integration-towards-an-european-federal-state french grandpas and grandmas that's not uncool that's flat out moronic unless you're some rich prick unaffected by austerity
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:is there a reason why FI and melenchons support has dropped so much? why have they not been able to be an effective opposition to macron? FI has been pretty dumb for like a year, thinking the left wing vote is beholden to them so now the solution is to go after nationalist minded voters, alienating a lot of their left wing base in the process. It's a big reason why the left wing vote was so fragmented compared to the presidential and parliamentary election in 2017. you got people like this guy accusing people who disagree with FI's "populist" current of being left wing islamists https://twitter.com/AtheeJim/status/1133235897040867328 A big example of this was a "Populist nationalist" quitting FI for the FN because of militants being in favor of inclusive writing lol basically melenchon and co should clean house with nationalist, soverainist types and stop chasing the fn's voter like all the major parties, and go back to its left wing roots which made it big in 2017 Thankfully some people inside of the FI realize that something has to change, hopefully they're taken into consideration: https://www.nouvelobs.com/elections...obox=1558986389 (MP Clementine Autain is a major figure of the left wing of FI)
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genericnick posted:No idea myself, but from French people I know he looked like an idiot in the video of the police raid on his headquarters. Its more that the FI went into a nationalist populist direction that displeased their left wing electorate from 2017... They did some really dumb poo poo to attack the "elite", such as giving platforms to pretty lovely people (including a straight up nazi...). Results : no alliance could be made with the minor left wing parties, so the left wing vote was divided and demoralized.
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basically melenchon has been doing the "anti-elite anti-globalist" thing, but forgot to be left wing in the process
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nice to see that the rest of the world will be in a better place in five years except for america and france. even italy is getting sick of the far-right's poo poo
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here's how melenchons voters in 2017 voted in these elections https://twitter.com/l_peillon/status/1133380207803555840 36% stayed with LFI, 19% switched for the Greens, 11% voted for the Communist Party instead, 8% went for the Socialist party, 6% for Hamon's Generation S. (Also 4% went to the FN, 3% went to Dupont-Aignans DLF (another right wing nationalist soverainist party), 3% went for Macrons LREM and 1% went for the federal european centre right UDI) So basically most of Melenchon voters went for other left wing/centre left parties
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What happened to the gaullists/ump/lr? Last I read up on them was during hollande's term and they were going through a nasty succession fight with sarkozy Would they expect to do better in a general election as opposed to EU, similar to the UK conservatives?
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get that OUT of my face posted:nice to see that the rest of the world will be in a better place in five years except for america and france. even italy is getting sick of the far-right's poo poo Lol, my dude, we barely began our journey down the poo poo slide, things are about to get so much worse that when we look back to 2019 it's going to feel like Charlie's trip through the chocolate factory.
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i say swears online posted:What happened to the gaullists/ump/lr? Last I read up on them was during hollande's term and they were going through a nasty succession fight with sarkozy basically LR is useless now, their bourgeois liberal right wing voters went to LREM and Macron, while their economically anxious voters went to the FN and Le Pen. All that remains for them is conservative christian family values, which they tried this election with Bellamy, who was big into complaining about scantily clad women, abortion and islam. There's basically two currents inside the party at the moment, the "be more like Macron" and "be more like Le Pen", current leader Laurent Wauquiez is from the second current. I've heard Sarkozy feels the need to come back lol, I guess he's the only one who could "save" the party, I guess, he's still popular among the base, and he's good at aping the far right. I don't see them doing well in a general election, but I could be wrong, maybe if Sarkozy came back and manage to take voters away from Le Pen. Kurtofan posted:vote per age in french elections this graph shows that their electorate is quite aged at this point... I'm guessing old loyalists and people who think gay people are the devil Kurtofan has issued a correction as of 18:54 on May 28, 2019 |
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thanks. i guess gaullism is old enough that it's passed as a tradition, eclipsed by the FN and the rest of the new right? i guess there's not much taste left for like, secular-nationalist, anti-nato, pro-empire stuff. that seems so 1950's
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