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Vinylshadow posted:"What if the Empire wasn't really evil per se, but still an Empire?" Captain Splendid posted:The original one was basically Red Baron in spaaaace before Resistance did the same thing. ???
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galagazombie posted:Thread seems to have come to the consensus that the plot and setting of TFA only works in the context of "It's there because it was there in ANH." If the Republic was so weak as to be that easily toppled the FO wouldn't have needed to secretly build Starkiller Base in hiding. If the Republic wasn't that weak then Starkiller base would not have destroyed it in a single attack. If however, the Republic and Starkiller Base are just Alderaan and the Death Star with the numbers filed off, it makes perfect sense. It’s never clear what happened to all of the other Republic forces besides the ones that got blown up by Starkiller Then again Snoke was never explained either
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May 28, 2019 02:01
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Baron Fel was the bestest most killingest pilot in the Empire, and married a famous actress who was secretly Wedge Antilles' sister. After the Emperor died, he decided the Empire had become too corrupt, and he defected to the New Republic. Then he got recaptured by the Empire, and handed over to Grand Admiral Thrawn, the other most smartest and best Imperial in the galaxy. Thrawn told him that the Empire is actually the good guys now, and that the real enemy is all the bad hombres looking to hop the galactic border wall to take everyone's jobs. Then when the bad hombres showed up, and original recipe Kylo Ren turned the New Republic into a total shitshow, Fel and his handsome ace pilot son showed up and were like "Anyone want an Empire?". Fel's son married Han & Leia's daughter and then a hundred years later one of his descendants got really pissed off because a Sand Person took his throne.
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May 28, 2019 03:02
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Robot Style posted:Baron Fel was the bestest most killingest pilot in the Empire, and married a famous actress who was secretly Wedge Antilles' sister. After the Emperor died, he decided the Empire had become too corrupt, and he defected to the New Republic. The EU is garbage
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May 28, 2019 03:05
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Whats mind blowing is the new EU is just as bad but in less time
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May 28, 2019 03:08
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Barudak posted:Whats mind blowing is the new EU is just as bad but in less time I think because the old EU tried new things, whereas the new EU is trying old things again but bigger and in your face. It's like Poochie, and it needs to go away.
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May 28, 2019 03:30
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For all its terribleness the sheer volume of the old EU meant that there was a fair amount of good stuff in it through sheer statistical chance. Most especially the Dark Horse comics which had great things like the fantastical Tales of the Jedi and Jedi vs. Sith or the gritty Clone Wars issues between AotC and RotS. If Disney's tenure produces anything good it will probably take quite awhile for the math to allow a critical mass of non-garbage material.
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May 28, 2019 04:11
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galagazombie posted:Thread seems to have come to the consensus that the plot and setting of TFA only works in the context of "It's there because it was there in ANH." If the Republic was so weak as to be that easily toppled the FO wouldn't have needed to secretly build Starkiller Base in hiding. If the Republic wasn't that weak then Starkiller base would not have destroyed it in a single attack. If however, the Republic and Starkiller Base are just Alderaan and the Death Star with the numbers filed off, it makes perfect sense. It’s mind boggling that they can make a Star Wars trilogy where the actual Star War is so poorly defined.
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May 28, 2019 05:11
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General Dog posted:It’s mind boggling that they can make a Star Wars trilogy where the actual Star War is so poorly defined. It really wouldn't have taken much to fix that, especially in a movie series where there is an opening screen crawl before anything even happens. But no.
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May 28, 2019 07:02
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Bogus Adventure posted:It really wouldn't have taken much to fix that, especially in a movie series where there is an opening screen crawl before anything even happens. It's pretty amusing how both the ST and the PT have a decision you can point at and say "if they hadn't done that, the story probably would've been significantly better." In the ST it's easily the decision to ignore ROTJ and go straight to For the PT it's probably making Anakin a 9 year old.
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May 28, 2019 09:14
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Darth TNT posted:It's pretty amusing how both the ST and the PT have a decision you can point at and say "if they hadn't done that, the story probably would've been significantly better." But nope, young child Anakin is perfect in every way and is played by a kid with very limited range, with a director famously bad at offering guidance to actors. I honestly think that if Anakin had been portrayed more strongly, audiences would have been far more willing to forgive Jar Jar.
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May 28, 2019 12:44
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Lloyd's performance aside I like Anakin starting as a perfectly innocent kid, it makes his transition into a weirdo more obviously the Jedi Order's fault.
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May 28, 2019 13:24
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Yes, the story that's actually told isn’t one where a Jedi discovers a powerful but dangerous young man and trains him despite the risk. Instead he finds an innocent who is coping remarkably well with a terrible situation and inadvertently destroys that person.
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Zoran posted:Yes, the story that's actually told isn’t one where a Jedi discovers a powerful but dangerous young man and trains him despite the risk. Instead he finds an innocent who is coping remarkably well with a terrible situation and inadvertently destroys that person. To be fair Qui-Gon didn't ruin Anakin since he died. Obi-Wan himself seems pretty sure that it was himself who failed Anakin, though I think the Orders failings can be given a large part of the blame. Qui-Gon is portrayed as someone who has issues with Order orthodoxy, so maybe had he not gotten stabbed Anakin would have had a more healthy mental state.
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May 28, 2019 15:05
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Qui Gon was a loon and a cheat who was wrong at practically every turn. Obi Wan senses the phantom menace in the first two minutes and Qui Gon tells him to shut up and focus on bullying aliens and fighting robots.
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May 28, 2019 17:17
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Qui-Gon became culpable when he took Anakin off the planet despite The Force repeatedly giving him signs that he should not do that.
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May 28, 2019 17:52
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May 28, 2019 18:36
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Anakin should have started training at like 18. That would have lined up with Yoda's fear about Luke and also added some plausibility to him turning, oh and also allowed him and Obi Wan to have a better friend/master relationship. I'm still mad they made the Jedi into flawed bureaucrats though so w/e.
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May 28, 2019 18:48
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galagazombie posted:To be fair Qui-Gon didn't ruin Anakin since he died. Obi-Wan himself seems pretty sure that it was himself who failed Anakin, though I think the Orders failings can be given a large part of the blame. Qui-Gon is portrayed as someone who has issues with Order orthodoxy, so maybe had he not gotten stabbed Anakin would have had a more healthy mental state. Obi-Wan also doesn't seem really thrilled to train Anakin. They don't really seem to ever get along. Anakin might be a creepy weirdo, but I'm sure having Obi-Wan cut him down (lol) whenever anyone compliments him doesn't help. Random Stranger: *To Anakin* "Thank you for helping us, Master Jedi." Obi-Wan: *To Stranger* "Well, actually...he's just a Padawan. My Padawan. He's not a Jedi yet." Anakin: *Dark Side Intensifies*
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May 28, 2019 18:57
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Flavius Aetass posted:I'm still mad they made the Jedi into flawed bureaucrats though so w/e. If anything, the Jedi could have been more like that. Anakin's confessional scene with Yoda kind of feels like a watered down version of the one from THX-1138, but lacks a real sense that Anakin just isn't getting anything useful from Yoda's fortune cookie platitudes.
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May 28, 2019 19:00
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Bogus Adventure posted:Obi-Wan also doesn't seem really thrilled to train Anakin. They don't really seem to ever get along. Anakin might be a creepy weirdo, but I'm sure having Obi-Wan cut him down (lol) whenever anyone compliments him doesn't help. And he was a good friend
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May 28, 2019 19:42
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No Mods No Masters posted:And he was a good friend lol
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Bogus Adventure posted:Obi-Wan: *To Stranger* "Well, actually...he's just a Padawan. My Padawan. He's not a Jedi yet." his future wife is the one that says this lol. Obi does chastise him like a child in front of her earlier though. Obi's promotion to knighthood and taking on a padawan happens all at once and only after they hastily honor the dying wish of the first guy in their organization to get killed in the line of duty by their old nemesis. They are resistant to both ideas earlier in the film. It's really weird that they make the rare exception to their admission age rules and then also pair him up with someone who has basically just graduated. They're all dumb Woulda loved to see Luke's face when he found out about Quigon whilst watching the PT
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May 28, 2019 20:00
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oQtGCtnF2Y Star Wars now fixed.
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May 28, 2019 20:07
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Ingmar terdman posted:his future wife is the one that says this lol. Obi does chastise him like a child in front of her earlier though. Lol, I forgot that Padme says that. Doesn't Obi-Wan say something like that, too? I remember that he rubs it in during the Battle of Geonosis when Anakin suggests something to the clones that works, and Obi-Wan follows up with, "Good job, my Padawan Learner." Obi-Wan is such a massive dickhead, and I wish we were getting a Qui-Gon movie instead. AlternateAccount posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oQtGCtnF2Y That lightsaber duel is very 
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Looking more into the Han is the father rumor, apparently Making Star Wars was just talking about it as a rumor going around, not that any of their sources have said it. They asked their sources but got nothing saying it had any validity.
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May 28, 2019 22:25
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Ingmar terdman posted:his future wife is the one that says this lol. Obi does chastise him like a child in front of her earlier though. They don't make an exception and pair them up, Obi Wan (a good lad who means well) puts his foot down and says he's going to do it regardless of what they think, because he made a promise to his idiot mentor. Short of locking him up in Jedi Jail (a real thing in the EU look it up) what was Yoda going to do to stop them? He repeats his official disapproval for the record and gets on with his life.
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May 28, 2019 22:40
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It's p cool that when Last Jedi came out people were mad that they didn't reveal the mysterious string pulling big bad to be some dude from another movie adding nothing to the story, and then half a year later when the mysterious string pulling big bad turned out to be some dude from another movie adding nothing to the story everyone was also madsassassin posted:They don't make an exception and pair them up, Obi Wan (a good lad who means well) puts his foot down and says he's going to do it regardless of what they think, because he made a promise to his idiot mentor. Ah yeah true. This makes Yoda's reply that the council agrees with Obi kinda fun. I am the council, Sheev is the senate Ingmar terdman fucked around with this message at 22:45 on May 28, 2019 |
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May 28, 2019 22:42
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Bogus Adventure posted:Lol, I forgot that Padme says that. Doesn't Obi-Wan say something like that, too? I remember that he rubs it in during the Battle of Geonosis when Anakin suggests something to the clones that works, and Obi-Wan follows up with, "Good job, my Padawan Learner." That's actually Obi-Wan giving a compliment; "Good call, my young Padawan". He says "Only in your mind, my very young apprentice" when Anakin thinks he's better than Yoda at lightsabering, and also some similar stuff when Anakin's trying to impress Padme by apparently exceeding their mandate early in the film. The way that scene plays out is that it starts with Obi-Wan and Anakin in the elevator with a bit of friendly joking and stuff, and then when they meet Padme, Anakin starts acting in a way Obi-Wan clearly isn't used to. The idea isn't that they're acting like that towards each other all the time, though I hear some people read it as Obi-Wan was actually also trying to impress Padme by showing who's in charge...
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May 28, 2019 22:43
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Moby Wan Kenobi
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Mooey Cow posted:That's actually Obi-Wan giving a compliment; "Good call, my young Padawan". He says "Only in your mind, my very young apprentice" when Anakin thinks he's better than Yoda at lightsabering, and also some similar stuff when Anakin's trying to impress Padme by apparently exceeding their mandate early in the film. I see your point with the lightsabering, but whenever I watch Ep II the "Good call, my young Padawan" sounds like Obi-Wan rubbing the difference in. I always felt like Qui-Gon treated Obi-Wan with a little more respect, but that could just be my own bias.
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Good call my young padawan seems genuine. The Jedi have literally just assumed commanding officer roles in a star war pretty much out of the blue and Ani makes a good call on knowing where to laser some bad spaceship People might be conflating it with https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izB1ZzAGfEU
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Mooey Cow posted:That's actually Obi-Wan giving a compliment; "Good call, my young Padawan". He says "Only in your mind, my very young apprentice" when Anakin thinks he's better than Yoda at lightsabering, and also some similar stuff when Anakin's trying to impress Padme by apparently exceeding their mandate early in the film. Anakin read it that way for sure.
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Flavius Aetass posted:Anakin should have started training at like 18. That would have lined up with Yoda's fear about Luke and also added some plausibility to him turning, oh and also allowed him and Obi Wan to have a better friend/master relationship. jedi are an analogue for contemporary (late 90s) technocrats; well-intentioned dipshits unable to see the irony of living in a temple at the heart of power
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I don’t know I get the sense that Anakin would have become an incel if he’d stayed on Tattooine.
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porfiria posted:I don’t know I get the sense that Anakin would have become an incel if he’d stayed on Tattooine. That would be so wizard.
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Ingmar terdman posted:It's p cool that when Last Jedi came out people were mad that they didn't reveal the mysterious string pulling big bad to be some dude from another movie adding nothing to the story, and then half a year later when the mysterious string pulling big bad turned out to be some dude from another movie adding nothing to the story everyone was also mad Different people. The guy i worked with that was mad that Rogue One and Last Jedi didn't follow the A New Hope template with big station and lightsaber battle at the end, ie. Return of the Jedi, thinks that this movie is finally back to form. The people that liked TLJ or at least liked that it attempted to try to go somewhere else are the ones I see mad at this. I think the crossover are people that just hate Rey as a protagonist and want this whole trilogy to fail.
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KaptainKrunk posted:jedi are an analogue for contemporary (late 90s) technocrats; well-intentioned dipshits unable to see the irony of living in a temple at the heart of power Yeah but before the prequels they were a mystical order of warrior monks and more importantly unambiguously good and right. E: which makes a better epic story imo than this namby-pamby "there must be balance between light and darkness" nonsense they've ran with since then
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Darko posted:Different people. The guy i worked with that was mad that Rogue One and Last Jedi didn't follow the A New Hope template with big station and lightsaber battle at the end, ie. Return of the Jedi, thinks that this movie is finally back to form. The people that liked TLJ or at least liked that it attempted to try to go somewhere else are the ones I see mad at this.
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FlamingLiberal posted:I fault the writing and total lack of a plan for where this trilogy is going I don't get this criticism at all. It's not like Lucas wasn't pulling everything out of his rear end on the original trilogy.
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