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Alizee posted:Agreed, but it depends if they actually care about long term growth or quarterly interests lol. If I'm a manager at McDonalds, I would definitely prefer a 30 year old lifer than a 16 year old that will quit in 6 months. In my experience knowing and working for small business owners, their thought process starts and ends at "does this cost me more money today"
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vyelkin posted:In my experience knowing and working for small business owners, their thought process starts and ends at "does this cost me more money today" My last job for a small business employer paid slightly above minimum wage, then I quit, and they contracted me back for the same work at $40 an hour. Unsurprisingly, they are no longer in business.
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Michel Cadotte learns his sentence today for manslaughtering his wife, who had late-stage old timers' disease. The Crown says eight years, because being really tired of taking care of someone being tortured to death by their own brain isn't a reason to kill someone; defence says 6-12 months because it was an act of mercy that took way too long in coming. Predictions? quote:Testifying in his own defence, Cadotte said he killed Lizotte because he couldn't stand seeing his wife continue to suffer. Seven years in an old folks' home taught me a lot of useful stuff, like how there ain't fuckall sacred about the state that we let the elderly die in. Just gimme two grams of fentanyl and a stick to fight off the dogs. Caregiver fatigue is a horrible, horrible thing, though. Nobody should let themselves get to that point either.
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May 28, 2019 16:18
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Alizee posted:Agreed, but it depends if they actually care about long term growth or quarterly interests lol. If I'm a manager at McDonalds, I would definitely prefer a 30 year old lifer than a 16 year old that will quit in 6 months. It's much easier to control a workforce of precarious and inexperienced workers who lack the confidence or feeling of security to argue with you when you change their schedule last minute. A manager's interests are not necessarily the same as the interests of the overall business. vyelkin posted:Even the job creator is probably worse off because now they're getting some apathetic unproductive 16-year-old worker instead of a motivated adult, but if they voluntarily chose to pay the $2 more per hour to hire an adult their small business head would explode. Yeah, I've watched a small business owner trying to fill an above entry level position that involved both physical and mental labour, lock up responsibilities, driving large trucks and handling crucial paperwork by offering minimum wage and a 6 days per week schedule. This guy kept complaining that everyone he gave the job to quit after a few months, sometimes after having a public meltdown first, but despite having had five or six people go through this role in the last two years he responded to the idea of raising the pay by saying "No, I just don't think that makes sense for that position."
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flakeloaf posted:Seven years in an old folks' home taught me a lot of useful stuff, like how there ain't fuckall sacred about the state that we let the elderly die in. Just gimme two grams of fentanyl and a stick to fight off the dogs. My grandmother was well cared for in a good nursing facility and it still upset me greatly to go visit her, both because of her condition and others in the facility. There's something terribly perverse about forcing people to live out their last days like that.
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Helsing posted:It's much easier to control a workforce of precarious and inexperienced workers who lack the confidence or feeling of security to argue with you when you change their schedule last minute. A manager's interests are not necessarily the same as the interests of the overall business. Yep, or you get even worse people like the owner of some local McDonalds franchises who, after paying people minimum wage to deal with a location that's right across from the homeless shelter and noticing he has crippling high turn-over, declares that canadian youth are just all lazy, entitled, and cowards. He then declares that since he can't find the skills in Canada he successfully applies to the TFW program and brings in a boat load of mostly Filipino kids who he houses in a big illegal rooming house he owns. These people have a much better work ethic than Canadians because they know if they report the assault they just suffered or complain about the triple shifts they'll get deported.
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Ah, I see you've been to 99 Rideau. (This is a satire post, not a serious accusation. I have no personal knowledge of anything, on any topic.)
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I went to high school with Kevin Chan, and the whole place was absolutely convinced that he would wind up in some high-powered Parliamentary position. Half-marks.
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flakeloaf posted:Ah, I see you've been to 99 Rideau. Yeah I was literally thinking this reading that post haha. Goon meet haha?
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May 28, 2019 17:24
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Wonder if they can apply this if they’re in Canadian airspace too.
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infernal machines posted:Like, he does realize that students are the next generation of voters, right? At some point they hit 18 and it's not like they're going to forget this. They also campaigned on cutting overtime payouts (in that banked time would get paid at 1.0x base, rather than 1.5x), a move that disproportionately affects tradespeople, who also seem to have voted for the UCP in droves. 
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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PittTheElder posted:They also campaigned on cutting overtime payouts (in that banked time would get paid at 1.0x base, rather than 1.5x), a move that disproportionately affects tradespeople, who also seem to have voted for the UCP in droves. This is basically a reversion to what it was before a year or so ago. They probably didn’t even realize the change. And yeah, I know several people in the trades on both sides of the management fence, and I know that companies were pushing really really really hard for this.
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May 28, 2019 17:53
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I get the feeling that anyone who is a member of CFIB or one of those sacred "job creators" read 1984 and concluded that they are the special 2% that will join the Upper Party instead of realising that they are members of the Lower Party that get the poo poo kicked out of them and aren't special. Who cares about the Proles amiright? We were always at war with Eurasia
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May 28, 2019 18:32
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PittTheElder posted:They also campaigned on cutting overtime payouts (in that banked time would get paid at 1.0x base, rather than 1.5x), a move that disproportionately affects tradespeople, who also seem to have voted for the UCP in droves. New slogan - Get cucked by the cons! Seems like most provinces are at 40 hours and 1.5x https://quickbooks.intuit.com/ca/resources/payroll/rules-of-overtime-in-canada/
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May 28, 2019 18:32
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Alizee posted:New slogan - Get cucked by the cons! I’d have to dig into the actual wording, but my understanding is that overtime in a pay period is as normal, 1.5 base. It’s banked time that’s changing. This is mostly used by trades as Pitt noted. For a lot of the building trades the hours of work can be very weather dependant and sporadic. So a lot of projects as well as a lot of workers do the following: work a 16 hour day or so for every good day in the spring and summer while only drawing a pay check for 44 hours a week. All the extra time worked is banked, and the bank is used to top up weeks with bad weather to 44 hours and any extra banked time at the end of the fall is used to keep the pay checks coming over the winter months. Companies like this system because they can keep their work force over the winter, and the workers usually like it because they don’t have to pick up part time winter employment (though lots do anyway). It used to be the way it’s going back to now. Hours banked are paid out at one to one. The NDP changed it to 1.5 to 1, because they saw overtime as overtime. Companies hated this because it pushed costs up, and most of them were either bringing in more temporary employees for the summer, cutting the permanent workers hours to stay under the overtime limit or keeping the workers going at the new overtime rate, but removing the bank option so there workers were paid out every week, all while trying to get more out of each worker. In both cases the worker was losing a steady year round income, so a lot of them were unhappy too. Younger workers, without dependents and limited bills liked the payout, extra money in the pocket is always good, but I heard from a couple of the guys I know that they were hurting pretty bad over the winter.
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Gorau posted:I’d have to dig into the actual wording, but my understanding is that overtime in a pay period is as normal, 1.5 base. It’s banked time that’s changing. This is mostly used by trades as Pitt noted. For a lot of the building trades the hours of work can be very weather dependant and sporadic. So a lot of projects as well as a lot of workers do the following: work a 16 hour day or so for every good day in the spring and summer while only drawing a pay check for 44 hours a week. All the extra time worked is banked, and the bank is used to top up weeks with bad weather to 44 hours and any extra banked time at the end of the fall is used to keep the pay checks coming over the winter months. So it's a good policy that the bourgeoisie were using to screw over actual workers and Kenney is doing their bidding. Got it.
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quote:Carney now occupies a place in the imaginary firmament of some Liberal insiders once reserved for Michael Ignatieff and, before him, Paul Martin.
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Are they planning some kind of backroom appointment? I can't imagine Carney could win the kind of populist-friendly, open leadership contest Trudeau did.
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May 28, 2019 20:06
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flakeloaf posted:Why would a man who's been relatively successful up to this point want that Carney seems like he really wants this and has for a long time. Remember that in 2012, he was willing to compromise the political independence of the Bank of Canada (  but this is taken very seriously) in order to float a leadership trial balloon.
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DynamicSloth posted:Are they planning some kind of backroom appointment? I can't imagine Carney could win the kind of populist-friendly, open leadership contest Trudeau did. Under current LPC rules, it's really hard to do a backroom appointment or change to rules to make one possible. There also aren't a lot of tools the party can use to dissuade potential entrants since the party is the leader rn.
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absolute mess of a party https://twitter.com/SusanDelacourt/status/1133120538694639617
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Elisabeth May: Please, I just want to see my children again. You can end this. Let me go home.
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Pinterest Mom posted:Under current LPC rules, it's really hard to do a backroom appointment or change to rules to make one possible. There also aren't a lot of tools the party can use to dissuade potential entrants since the party is the leader rn. While this is all true it is also worth pointing out that Trudeau's biggest supporter among the still-influential Old Guard of Liberal bigwigs is apparently Stephan loving Dion, charisma void and total poltroon. The fact that guys like Kinsella are knives out is a sign that the Chretien faction in particular are just about done with the boy king, and Hebert is correct to point out that history repeats itself in the LPC for some pretty good reasons. Watching a disaffected faction or two of Liberals rally around
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Gorau posted:I’d have to dig into the actual wording, but my understanding is that overtime in a pay period is as normal, 1.5 base. It’s banked time that’s changing. This is mostly used by trades as Pitt noted. For a lot of the building trades the hours of work can be very weather dependant and sporadic. So a lot of projects as well as a lot of workers do the following: work a 16 hour day or so for every good day in the spring and summer while only drawing a pay check for 44 hours a week. All the extra time worked is banked, and the bank is used to top up weeks with bad weather to 44 hours and any extra banked time at the end of the fall is used to keep the pay checks coming over the winter months. are you loving serious that there are actually people out there that want their overtime valued at straight time. how loving dumb do you have to be
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Plenty of places quite happy to do overtime at straight pay that instead institute an absolute ban on it when it's required to be paid at time and a half. So for the worker, it's not a choice between $1000 and $1500, it's $1000 and $0. (Like mentioned re: minimum wage, go figure.)
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Jordan7hm posted:Plenty of people are happy to take OT at straight time. So go break their scab legs. That poo poo is retarded.
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https://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2019/05/27/Forensic-Accounting-NDP/ This could be a compelling look at many of the things that the thread talks about consistent. Particularly that it focuses on party operatives taking control of the party and centralizing it. Has anyone in the thread actually read the book or is planning to read the book?
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Elizabeth May is having a breakdown over maybe having more responsibilities in Parliament other than just complaining that people are being unparliamentary
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RBC posted:are you loving serious that there are actually people out there that want their overtime valued at straight time. how loving dumb do you have to be Yes there are, because as noted, it’s is the choice of working or not. Most construction projects have their labour costs costed out and bid based on the estimated number of man hours it will take to complete. With weather starting and stopping work semi randomly, companies have to take advantage of every good hour they can. When they could bank, they used the same people who worked extra hours and got them later in the year. With forced time an a half employers brought more temporary workers in so everyone was still paid straight time, they kept their cost per man hour the same, and the long term permanent employees take an effective pay cut, because instead of working their yearly 2000 hours in 7-8 months, they only get to work 1300-1500 a year with the balance being taken by a temporary (not necessarily a foreign temporary) worker.
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Gorau posted:Yes there are, because as noted, it’s is the choice of working or not. Most construction projects have their labour costs costed out and bid based on the estimated number of man hours it will take to complete. With weather starting and stopping work semi randomly, companies have to take advantage of every good hour they can. When they could bank, they used the same people who worked extra hours and got them later in the year. With forced time an a half employers brought more temporary workers in so everyone was still paid straight time, they kept their cost per man hour the same, and the long term permanent employees take an effective pay cut, because instead of working their yearly 2000 hours in 7-8 months, they only get to work 1300-1500 a year with the balance being taken by a temporary (not necessarily a foreign temporary) worker. So the end result is more jobs created and workers with lightened workloads. And if overtime is still required due to poor planning, it gets paid out as loving overtime. Sounds like a win to me.
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Gorau posted:Yes there are, because as noted, it’s is the choice of working or not. Most construction projects have their labour costs costed out and bid based on the estimated number of man hours it will take to complete. With weather starting and stopping work semi randomly, companies have to take advantage of every good hour they can. When they could bank, they used the same people who worked extra hours and got them later in the year. With forced time an a half employers brought more temporary workers in so everyone was still paid straight time, they kept their cost per man hour the same, and the long term permanent employees take an effective pay cut, because instead of working their yearly 2000 hours in 7-8 months, they only get to work 1300-1500 a year with the balance being taken by a temporary (not necessarily a foreign temporary) worker. What trade does this? Non union trades is my guess
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