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Rather Watch Them posted:Morgana Hotinruff, a kid in a cat costume These are all fantastic, my god.
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If Atlus had any self-awareness at all, “actually, it’s Ephebophilia” will be a line from a Mementos target in the Royal. They don’t and it won’t.
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Coq au Nandos posted:If Atlus had any self-awareness at all, “actually, it’s Ephebophilia” will be a line from a Mementos target in the Royal. Yeah, in hindsight those were terrible garbage posts I never should have made when I do agree that the romances in question are bad. Sorry for making GBS threads up the thread with them. The best, but sadly unlikely direction for Royal would be replace all the gross, uncomfortable and tone-deaf adult romances with dating Ryuji, Yusuke and Mishima. Lord_Magmar fucked around with this message at 02:07 on May 30, 2019 |
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Rather Watch Them posted:Morgana Hotinruff, a kid in a cat costume Garrote, as in garrote wire, right?
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PMush Perfect posted:It took me a second to get the Gorot one. I think it's a reference to Godot, an Ace Attorney character.
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lightrook posted:I think it's a reference to Godot, an Ace Attorney character. and Akechi and Godot have both the similarity in the games tries very hard to make you feel sorry for them and fall completely flat on their faces.
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Lord_Magmar posted:Yeah, in hindsight those were terrible garbage posts I never should have made when I do agree that the romances in question are bad. Sorry for making GBS threads up the thread with them. i thought you said you'd want to avoid being gross
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Overwatch Porn posted:i thought you said you'd want to avoid being gross  Edit: Never mind, didn't see that you'd bolded Mishima.
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dating an invertebrate is gross on every level
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Overwatch Porn posted:dating an invertebrate is gross on every level
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PMush Perfect posted:Better or worse than dating human Morgana? Oh right, that’s going to be a thing in Royal. I’m gonna say Mishima is better because he’s not a cat, also because he actually realised he was being an rear end in a top hat and works on improving himself and Morgana kind of didn’t. In fact the end sequence where Morgana pretended to be dead for months instead of saying he came back is kind of hosed up and he kind of tries to make the protagonist leaving jail into a party about himself. I like the cat but he’s really got some screwed up priorities. Lord_Magmar fucked around with this message at 03:28 on May 30, 2019 |
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May 30, 2019 03:26
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Hot take: Mishima is a recovering incel, Morgana is a terminal fuckboy.
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Robindaybird posted:and Akechi and Godot have both the similarity in the games tries very hard to make you feel sorry for them and fall completely flat on their faces.
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GeneX posted:Sae expresses zero romantic interest in anyone, and wearing pants does not have the slightest bit to do with someone's sexuality, you weirdos Okay, time to slide on my English degree and my full-time turbo-gay hats here: I promise I'm not making fun of anyone here in the thread for thinking the things quoted, these are perfectly reasonable things to think. However, if you are a gay person, especially an older one, you get used to not really getting any representation that outright says "this person is gay". What you do get used to though is various works sliding in different tropes associating a character with quirks and ideas associated with being gay without outright saying it. If you want to know why all the Disney villains of the renaissance era save for Gaston are deeply adored by the larger gay community (Scar, Ursula, Jafar) it's because they're all coded as gently caress and they are extremely fun characters, so that's us taking some control back from being portrayed as people fully willing to take advantage of teenagers or younger. Now obviously with the emergence of trans rights into the larger discourse this has gotten a bit more complicated (which as a giant trans myself I could talk about all day: I did not think my username through more than half a decade ago) but if you want the basics of it a gay coded man tends to be associated more with effeminate mannerisms, OR when they show a great drive for masculine pursuits without showing other forms of toxic masculinity (Lindsay Ellis does some great vids on it, alongside Rantasmo that has an entire series on this called "Needs More Gay") wheras lesbian-coded characters at least from a more old-school standpoint tend to be portrayed as serious, no-nonsense career women -and what seals this is when either character shows a great affection for no opposite gender character but a giant one for a same-gender one (as an aside, both Akihiko and Mitsuru are queer-coded by much of the fanbase). And of course because homosexuality was once referred to as "the love that dare not speak its name" these characters tend to be portrayed as asexual in the story itself. These are both kind of outdated in these day in age but I can't blame someone used to seeing them having a knee-jerk reaction to it, especially since Persona 5 has a pretty campy aesthetic on its own (seriously have you seen the intro to the dance game? I tend to joke with my other gay as hell friends that there is zero cishet explanation for these outfits ) As for Kanji (and to a lesser extent Naoto), that one requires some historical context. In 2008 no one was talking about LGBTQ teens. Being queer was relegated to being an other, at best you got fully mature middle-upper class men and that's if they were well-adjusted. Often they were the butt of a joke. Persona 4 actually got a sizeable gay fanbase at the time because it seemed like the only work willing to go "hey, sometimes you figure this poo poo out as a teenager, it's hard as hell to figure out. But it doesn't make you any less than human and doesn't take away from what you are, and your friends will have your back". I say at the time of course, the series has done its absolute most to loving obliterate that message since. But for the time, at the tail end of the Bush era, this was loving unheard of! You just didn't get that kind of message: even if it was false. Because we're not used to getting outright positive messages until recently, just those coded nods and winks in more popular culture. Obviously it's getting better now (seriously I cannot stress just how loving much LGBTQ representation has come along in the past five years alone). But if you've been around even for a little while, even if you're like me and only really took notice of this stuff less than a decade and a half ago, the urge to seek out coding in otherwise heteronormative works and make it your own is still very much there, because it's a way of seizing control. Anyway, that's why Persona has a sizable LGBTQ fanbase despite the game's director having a giant homophobic and transphobic streak. e: Now is Sae queer coded? Sorta, I could see someone reading into it for reasons laid out above. Sometimes you just kinda take a character for your own regardless of authorial intent, the most famous and probably historically significant example being the cowardly lion from the Wizard of Oz (I mean arguably, "I'm just a dandy lion" is a pretty overt lyric). But yeah, you can hardly trip on the internet without finding someone reading some queer-coding into a character and taking solace in it. So yeah, if we gays can't get some decent gay characters of our own we'll just swipe some. The Doomslayer is trans, eat it. ManlyGrunting fucked around with this message at 14:57 on May 30, 2019 |
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This thread man
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ManlyGrunting posted:Okay, time to slide on my English degree and my full-time turbo-gay hats here: I promise I'm not making fun of anyone here in the thread for thinking the things quoted, these are perfectly reasonable things to think. However, I came here to shitpost, not to learn.
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I liked your post, ManlyGrunting. 
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I can see Scar (Broadway version excluded) and Ursula, but Jafar wanted to marry Jasmine.VanSandman posted:I came here to shitpost, not to learn. 
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:I can see Scar (Broadway version excluded) and Ursula, but Jafar wanted to marry Jasmine. When they say "coded" it means in terms of how they dress, talk, act, etc. The fact that in the plot he's trying to marry a woman doesn't change the fact that he is presented in a gay coded fashion overall.
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Ah, okay. My mistake.
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Plus wasn't wanting to marry Jasmine as much a political power-play as anything else? Marry into the royal family, off the sultan, take over?
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Ursula makes sense because the she was originally written and designed to be played by Divine.
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ManlyGrunting posted:the most famous and probably historically significant example being the cowardly lion from the Wizard of Oz (I mean arguably, "I'm just a dandy lion" is a pretty overt lyric) Kyrosiris posted:Plus wasn't wanting to marry Jasmine as much a political power-play as anything else? Marry into the royal family, off the sultan, take over?
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also iirc kanji was implied almost to the point of text to have a crush on naoto before finding out she was a girl. that combined with the "it's not about boys or girls" bit at the end of his dungeon means that people aren't exactly pulling mlm kanji out of thin air
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I'm glad that we had some good, thoughtful posts to wash out some of the Oof. That said, I'd like to see more persona s.links for more varied characters. Some romances aside, I really like all of the s.links in this game, at some point or another.
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Kyrosiris posted:Plus wasn't wanting to marry Jasmine as much a political power-play as anything else? Marry into the royal family, off the sultan, take over? Yep. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3RE3Td77qo&t=65s That being said, later on in the movie, Jasmine attempted to distract Jafar by seducing him, and he seemed pretty into it, though whether that was because he was attracted to her or because he was just enjoying the power trip is up to interpretation.
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As much as I like the knock-down, All-Out Attacking Persona battle system we've had from 3-5, a part of me wants the battle system to be redone from Persona 6 and on. The social ideas, too. I've tossed around ideas in my head for some systems (skill trees for party members where you unlock new skills by meeting certain parameters, both socially and battle wise), but nothing concrete. This seems like a good time to ask: Have you had any ideas for something you'd like to see in Persona 6?
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My honest-to-god greatest wish for the future of this series is more fun, likable female characters who aren't there for you to bone. Like, have them date another party member or something, just don't make them romanceable. I'll take one, just give me something.
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W.T. Fits posted:Yep. He could also be bi, which is a possibility that gets ignored all too often. 
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Arist posted:My honest-to-god greatest wish for the future of this series is more fun, likable female characters who aren't there for you to bone. Like, have them date another party member or something, just don't make them romanceable. I'll take one, just give me something. Somewhat related, I wanna see some of the female characters have love lives if you don't choose to date them yourself. I'm thinking about how, for example, Tali and Garrus will be in a relationship in ME3 if you didn't romance either of them yourself.
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Ann should have dated Shiho, because goddamn, that one's this side of explicit
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I'm wondering how far into development "If you don't start a relationship with Ann, Ryuji will" was tossed (if it was even gonna be a thing in the first place.) Also, hell yeah I would love to see Persona 6 feature skill trees and party members dating each other.
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Imagine all the gamers raging because they didn't romance their Best Girl in time. So yeah, totally do it
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Competitive social linking: compete with Akechi to see who can make the most friends! Ruin each others' dates and spread salacious gossip to affect each others' friendship level! I'm only mostly joking.
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D1Sergo posted:Competitive social linking: compete with Akechi to see who can make the most friends! Ruin each others' dates and spread salacious gossip to affect each others' friendship level! This actually is getting me thinking about this idea. If we found out early on in the story of this hypothetical Persona 6 who the villain was, then maybe the social aspect could be combative. Not only are you trying to get allies to assist you and get good Personas, but you're also trying to make the final easier by reducing support for this other person.
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Snorb posted:I'm wondering how far into development "If you don't start a relationship with Ann, Ryuji will" was tossed (if it was even gonna be a thing in the first place.) It even starts that way, with the MC having some dialogue options pushing some of Ann's praise to Ryuji. But it all vanishes into a void after the first palace.
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I like Octopath Traveler's take on weaknesses. Hitting an enemy's weakness in that game "breaks" them and they lose a turn which is pretty close to Press Turn systems and their variants but bosses have X number of shields that protect them from being broken for that many hits. Then after they're broken when they recover they get their shields back, change stances, change their weaknesses, etc. This lets you use the same mechanics for random encounters and bosses without trivializing the latter and help keeps things fresh. They could make crits be affected by shields as well since in SMT crits give you extra turns. Do this, make Bosses be susceptible to crit knockdowns plus have regular weaknesses and Yusuke is now a worthwhile party member outside of random encounters. I can't believe I'm suggesting SMT takes a mechanic from a Squeenix game what a world we live in.
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D1Sergo posted:Competitive social linking: compete with Akechi to see who can make the most friends! Ruin each others' dates and spread salacious gossip to affect each others' friendship level!
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I'll be extremely disappointed if the P6 protagonist isn't a woman. P3P had a Social Link with Junpei that didn't end in romance and it was one of the best. I don't know why they haven't done that since. A Shiho confidant would have been perfect for that. fucking love Fiona Apple fucked around with this message at 02:32 on May 31, 2019 |
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My idea was a Persona game that was heavier on the dating sim / relationship side, and your main character had the Lovers persona instead of the Fool. Settin' up party members and randos on dates so you can get good skills on your personas.
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