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Randarkman posted:Who's the youngest unique character/faction leader/faction heir in the game? Cao Cao just died I think Sun Ren (Sun Jian's daughter and his 3rd unique kid) is the youngest unique character, she doesn't reach adulthood until Autumn 207, which is pretty far into the game. She is also extremely powerful and has a unique active skill available to her.
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May 30, 2019 21:56
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I was wondering who'd have the easier time ending up as King or Emperor. Though I was damned close as Cao Cao, and I could have been there a while ago if I had hurried up a bit. Liu Bei just became King.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Has anyone played aging Du? His traits look fun as hell I'm running with him now, early game it's quite easy for him to sweep up north and wipe Ma Teng and Han Sui, i was able to move south just a tad and take a copper mine and recruited just one general there to hold down the south while i sweeped the north up. Though now i have Liu Bei and Sun Ce to my southeast and east. VietCampo fucked around with this message at 22:14 on May 30, 2019 |
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May 30, 2019 22:10
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Gong Du was one of the easiest campaigns I played but I didn't finish it. I just rolled around with him and 2 other veterans in a doomstack killing nobles
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May 30, 2019 22:19
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Hentai Jihadist posted:Gong Du was one of the easiest campaigns I played but I didn't finish it. Yea my stack didn't lose until i ran into the Liu Bei death stack
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May 30, 2019 22:29
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Randarkman posted:Who's the youngest unique character/faction leader/faction heir in the game? Cao Cao just died Not counting Sun Jian's unique children(Sun Ren not reaching maturity until 207), Zheng Jiang is by far the youngest major character; she starts the campaign at age 18.
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May 30, 2019 22:31
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Kanos posted:Not counting Sun Jian's unique children(Sun Ren not reaching maturity until 207), Zheng Jiang is by far the youngest major character; she starts the campaign at age 18. That seems very young for a "bandit queen". Is she historical? A quick wikipedia search didn't turn up anything, though she might just be a bit too obscure for that. I'm guessing unless she's somehow a noblewoman who turned bandit, none of the sources that might mention her would know how old she was.
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May 30, 2019 23:12
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Randarkman posted:That seems very young for a "bandit queen". Is she historical? A quick wikipedia search didn't turn up anything, though she might just be a bit too obscure for that. I'm guessing unless she's somehow a noblewoman who turned bandit, none of the sources that might mention her would know how old she was.
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May 30, 2019 23:13
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He Yi starts super young too, I think he is around 21? The Yellow Turban generals are absolutely nuts also. One of my armies has a ton of self-healing on their generals and the other stack is completely guerrilla capable AND one of those guys still has the 30k character heal just in case. I just run the generals in and crush their whole army, then retreat a bit to heal, then back in over and over all the while running my archers out of arrows.
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May 30, 2019 23:24
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Randarkman posted:That seems very young for a "bandit queen". Is she historical? A quick wikipedia search didn't turn up anything, though she might just be a bit too obscure for that. I'm guessing unless she's somehow a noblewoman who turned bandit, none of the sources that might mention her would know how old she was. IIRC she is a character that may or may not have been two historical bandit ladies conflated together. Her heiress is meant to represent the other one. She's by far the least known character out of the bunch.
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May 30, 2019 23:25
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There were two bandits named Zheng and Jiang and the only mention of them is their execution.
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May 30, 2019 23:30
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So as near as I can tell melee attack doesn't exist as a stat anymore? Seems like you just have evasion and damage.
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May 31, 2019 00:14
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Randarkman posted:That seems very young for a "bandit queen". Is she historical? A quick wikipedia search didn't turn up anything, though she might just be a bit too obscure for that. I'm guessing unless she's somehow a noblewoman who turned bandit, none of the sources that might mention her would know how old she was. Not historical, and apparently the Chinese player-base was pissed that she was added.
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May 31, 2019 00:17
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is the vassal patch fix out yet
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May 31, 2019 00:25
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Dramicus posted:Not historical, and apparently the Chinese player-base was pissed that she was added. The Chinese version of the guys who get mad about Pontus pajamas you mean
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May 31, 2019 00:31
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CharlestheHammer posted:The Chinese version of the guys who get mad about Pontus pajamas you mean Pretty much exactly the same reaction, you can see them complain in the comments section of trailer released for her.
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May 31, 2019 00:33
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CharlestheHammer posted:The Chinese version of the guys who get mad about Pontus pajamas you mean 我不想扮演他妈的郑江！
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May 31, 2019 00:43
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Gameplay-wise I think having interesting pseudohistorical characters is kind of vital. There’s no one who should really start next to Sun Jian in 190, for example, but it’s dull as gently caress to have him down there alone.
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May 31, 2019 01:13
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Gameplay-wise I think having interesting pseudohistorical characters is kind of vital. There’s no one who should really start next to Sun Jian in 190, for example, but it’s dull as gently caress to have him down there alone. I mean it’s also a game based on a loosely historical book so it’s not even like it pretends it’s a historical piece.
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May 31, 2019 01:15
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What does the SPACEBAR option of "3d icons ignore depth" do? It sounds like it would effect stacking or overlap of the unit icons (like the sword/axe/arrow circles), but toggling it on and off doesn't seem to change anything.
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May 31, 2019 01:17
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Gameplay-wise I think having interesting pseudohistorical characters is kind of vital. There’s no one who should really start next to Sun Jian in 190, for example, but it’s dull as gently caress to have him down there alone. Please god, let their be a Nanman DLC
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May 31, 2019 01:27
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CharlestheHammer posted:I mean it’s also a game based on a loosely historical book so it’s not even like it pretends it’s a historical piece. Yeah, but there is some contingent of TW fans who get angry about ~females~ (and Pontus) and think these games were all about perfect historical realism up until the decadent [present game] and they are gonna bitch. VietCampo posted:Please god, let their be a Nanman DLC Yes plz Edgar Allen Ho fucked around with this message at 01:50 on May 31, 2019 |
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May 31, 2019 01:47
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Randarkman posted:That seems very young for a "bandit queen". Is she historical? A quick wikipedia search didn't turn up anything, though she might just be a bit too obscure for that. I'm guessing unless she's somehow a noblewoman who turned bandit, none of the sources that might mention her would know how old she was. She isn't, as mentioned above, but you also have to bear in mind that like, people kind of got into this stuff kind of young back in the day. Joan of Arc was burnt at the stake at age 19. China had a shitload of child emperors (which is actually kind of why they ended up having so many problems, because they were more easily influenced by the court). So like, while she isn't specifically a real person, there very well could have been an 18 year old bandit "king"/"queen".
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May 31, 2019 02:01
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VietCampo posted:Please god, let their be a Nanman DLC
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May 31, 2019 02:01
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Sun Jian killed and decapitated a pirate at 16. Sun Ce got command of Yuan Shu's troops at 19, reunited his father's scattered men and grew to command a force over over five thousand and even before that was gathering men and killing bandits on his own initiative at 18.
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May 31, 2019 02:11
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The Cheshire Cat posted:She isn't, as mentioned above, but you also have to bear in mind that like, people kind of got into this stuff kind of young back in the day. Joan of Arc was burnt at the stake at age 19. China had a shitload of child emperors (which is actually kind of why they ended up having so many problems, because they were more easily influenced by the court). I take your point. I still think inheriting an empire and becoming a power bandit leader, are a bit different, unless she's the leader because of inheritance from her father or mother or because of their reputation. I was thinking more like Lena Headey in Dredd, but in China and writ a bit a larger. McTimmy posted:Sun Jian killed and decapitated a pirate at 16. Sun Ce got command of Yuan Shu's troops at 19, reunited his father's scattered men and grew to command a force over over five thousand and even before that was gathering men and killing bandits on his own initiative at 18. Those guys are all part of the aristocracy though. I think that's a notable difference, as a noble you can assume leadership through lineage and the reputation of your parents ancestors and such. It's a bit different, though not impossible for (what I presume is) a commoner. Unrelated to that, so Yellow Turbans kind of work differently from the normal factions huh? They have their own offices that work differently and are gated off by character class, they don't seem to have a family tree, they have their own reforms which work differently in that they are unlocked by faction rank but don't have other reforms as prerequisites, and they have different units and character classes. They also use an alternative to prestige to increase their faction rank, and it's not just a nameswap, it's accumulated from different sources than prestige. So really we already have kind of a prototype of how a faction which isn't "normal Chinese", or however you want to label the non-Yellow Turban factions, can be added to the game and work differently within kind of the same framework. So we could possibly maybe get some southern Chinese tribal factions that work a bit differently, Koreans (Goguryeo), northern Barbarians (I think this is possibly a bit late for the Xiongnu but too early for Turks and Mongolians, some other related possibly?) and maybe even some Vietnamese stuff? Randarkman fucked around with this message at 02:26 on May 31, 2019 |
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May 31, 2019 02:24
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I mean it's not like she starts off with like 5 provinces, she's a landless bandit with like 6 units. She's rad tho.
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May 31, 2019 02:32
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If we get koreans I assume we have to get the finns too.
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May 31, 2019 02:33
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The big challenge with the yellow turbans is their weak cavalry options but yeah having healing on your generals is obscenely good. Their building lines are generally easier to work with, though they're worse with food than normal factions. Money's easier though.
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May 31, 2019 02:36
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Randarkman posted:So we could possibly maybe get some southern Chinese tribal factions that work a bit differently, Koreans (Goguryeo), northern Barbarians (I think this is possibly a bit late for the Xiongnu but too early for Turks and Mongolians, some other related possibly?) and maybe even some Vietnamese stuff? Jurchen in the northeast, ancestors of the Manchu. I'd like expansion into the border regions. But since they're already semi-ahistorical with the Romance mode, I'd enjoy a whole alt history thing where Romans or Bactrian Greeks show up. Alexander II: The Alexandering.
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May 31, 2019 02:36
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Randarkman posted:Those guys are all part of the aristocracy though. I think that's a notable difference, as a noble you can assume leadership through lineage and the reputation of your parents ancestors and such. It's a bit different, though not impossible for (what I presume is) a commoner. They weren't though. Sun Jian was a merchant's son who earned recognition solely by kicking rear end. Yeah, Sun Ce could lean on his father's name, but both Sun Ben and Sun Jing couldn't unite Jian's men the way Ce could despite their experience and familial relations. Even Yuan Shu liked him. And Yuan Shu only liked four people.
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May 31, 2019 02:39
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I have helped Liu Bei become a king. All by being a good boy with honour and heaven and the Han on his side and I definitely am not rated "treacherous" right now.
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May 31, 2019 02:41
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Grand Fromage posted:I'd like expansion into the border regions. But since they're already semi-ahistorical with the Romance mode, I'd enjoy a whole alt history thing where Romans or Bactrian Greeks show up. Alexander II: The Alexandering. That'd be stupid. I'd much rather have them portray the Kushan Empire which was an actual fascinating historical empire, which probably deserves the majority of credit for exporting Buddhism out of India and most prominetly into China. "Romantify" it, I'd have no problem with that, but I'd be a bit annoyed if they skip over portraying the Kushans in order to stick Greeks and Romans in Central Asia (Tarim Basin would make sense as a region to include). McTimmy posted:They weren't though. Sun Jian was a merchant's son who earned recognition solely by kicking rear end. Yeah, Sun Ce could lean on his father's name, but both Sun Ben and Sun Jing couldn't unite Jian's men the way Ce could despite their experience and familial relations. Even Yuan Shu liked him. And Yuan Shu only liked four people. Oh, well, that's what you get by assuming stuff. Randarkman fucked around with this message at 02:47 on May 31, 2019 |
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May 31, 2019 02:43
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I don't know if someone else has brought it up, but for the yellow turbans, eventually you run out of people to recruit, and no more will show up for the rest of your game. I don't know if that's a bug or some sort of hard mode for them only.
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May 31, 2019 02:48
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Someone mentioned a while back that you can get an auto-generated spouse in the family tree or something? How do you go about doing that? My poor Kong Rong is almost a duke now but he's still living the bachelor life and since he has no living family I'm not really sure what happens if he takes an arrow to the face.Grand Fromage posted:Jurchen in the northeast, ancestors of the Manchu. This was before even the Jurchens. Their ancestors are usually thought to be the Mohe, but in this period even they were pretty peripheral; it was the Xianbei that were the top dogs in the northeast.
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May 31, 2019 02:49
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Wasn't Guan Yu a tofu merchant before the whole warrior badass thing?
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May 31, 2019 02:51
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Communist Bear posted:Oh wow, lumber mills are worse than mines. Do run 6 units of horsemen down that hill though. The first two will get absolutely ravaged, but the other 4 will be fine! (or dismount).
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May 31, 2019 02:54
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Randarkman posted:That'd be stupid. I'd much rather have them portray the Kushan Empire which was an actual fascinating historical empire, which probably deserves the majority of credit for exporting Buddhism out of India and most prominetly into China. "Romantify" it, I'd have no problem with that, but I'd be a bit annoyed if they skip over portraying the Kushans in order to stick Greeks and Romans in Central Asia (Tarim Basin would make sense as a region to include). That... would be actual history, not alternate history. Koramei posted:This was before even the Jurchens. Their ancestors are usually thought to be the Mohe, but in this period even they were pretty peripheral; it was the Xianbei that were the top dogs in the northeast. Is there a difference? I thought Xianbei/Mohe/Jurchen/Khitan were just assorted names applied to northeast barbarians that we don't know much about beyond Chinese/Korean records. Like "Scythian" in the west just being any guys on horses in the northeastern steppes.
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Grand Fromage posted:That... would be actual history, not alternate history. Yes. Romans and Greeks in the Tarim Basin at this time is still stupid, alt-history or not. And the game isn't really alt history at start up, it's historical fiction, romance or whatever, but it's not really alt-history until you play that first turn.
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McTimmy posted:They weren't though. Sun Jian was a merchant's son who earned recognition solely by kicking rear end. Even Liu Bei started out a poor farmer from a fallen to destitution distant-branch of the royal family. Zhang Fei was a pig farmer and vintner, and Guan Yu was a fugitive on the run because he murdered a minor noble who was abusing their power. The three of them Bro-ing it up is kinda funny really. One day Liu Bei walks into town, sees a notice calling for people to assist against the Yellow Turban Rebellion and sighs because he feels powerless to do anything about it. Suddenly a man behind him, Zhang Fei, basically calls him a pussy and asks why he isn't doing anything about it and then convinces him they can kick some turban rear end. They go to an inn and, while deciding what to do, Guan Yu walks in, orders wine, and tells the staff to hurry cause he's off to join the army against the Yellow Turbans. Zhang Fei and Liu Bei go over to talk to him and the next day the three strangers are swearing eternal brotherhood and go off to make their marks in history. Oh and they immediately decide walking is for suckers, ofc, so they go to a horse merchant to get some rides. They talk to him and the dude is so enthused with their patriotism and virtue that he gives them some horses and a bunch of money, which they use to buy some sweet gear for themselves, and more equipment they use to raise about 500 militia to bring with them. Galaga Galaxian fucked around with this message at 03:10 on May 31, 2019 |
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Don’t forget during all this that Guan Yu is supposed to be 7’2” and Liu Bei can see what’s behind him and has earlobes down to his shoulders
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