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Sakurazuka posted:Deserts are like sewers, there's never been a good one in a videogame. I liked Bikanel Island in FFX. Interesting to explore, decent challenging battles for the level you're at when you arrive, a few little Easter eggs.
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David D. Davidson posted:Uncharted 3. I hate that desert. Goddamn that concept of dry and water did not need to be slammed so hard the plot failed to exist and the gameplay suffered
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May 31, 2019 05:27
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it kicked rear end
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May 31, 2019 06:55
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Hold forward until poem begins. Continue holding forward until character resets to neutral, at which point more poem is read as you hold forward. Poem is about how hot a desert is and is read by lead villain, but has no narrative significance or relevance. Once this process of the game reading to you is complete, hold forward more. Scene ends and despite a joke about water being taken from our hero who should by all accounts basically be dead from dehydration, fight through a ton of mooks with no impediment in a completely pointless battle in brown town. Uncharted 3 killed the franchise for me.
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May 31, 2019 07:03
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The Gold Saucer Desert in FFVII ruled as you could learn Aqualung ridiculously early making all boss battles a piece of piss up until Disc 2.
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May 31, 2019 07:53
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Dell_Zincht posted:The Gold Saucer Desert in FFVII ruled as you could learn Aqualung ridiculously early making all boss battles a piece of piss up until Disc 2. you can learn Beta even earlier if you aren't some kind of scrub
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May 31, 2019 07:56
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The White Dragon posted:you can learn Beta even earlier if you aren't some kind of scrub Oh yeah, as soon as you reach Costa Del Sol I always go back and get Beta. Fewer enemies are resistant/absorb Water attacks, though. Two disc 1 bosses absorb fire attacks (Materia Keeper and Red Dragon.)
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May 31, 2019 08:10
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Why would you wait that long? Just use the Elemental materia you get at Shinra HQ with Fire in your armor and get it as soon as you can.
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May 31, 2019 08:56
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Dragonatrix posted:Why would you wait that long? Just use the Elemental materia you get at Shinra HQ with Fire in your armor and get it as soon as you can. This is going to make me sound like a total noob, but I used to completely ignore Elemental materia until about a year ago. I play through FFVII (and I replay it at least twice a year) totally differently to how I used to play it as a teenager.
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May 31, 2019 09:04
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honestly as a kid i never figured out the Elemental materia either, i wore the rings though
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May 31, 2019 09:21
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that said learning Beta is still a massive pain in the rear end because you only have a 33% chance of getting it
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May 31, 2019 09:23
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The White Dragon posted:you can learn Beta even earlier if you aren't some kind of scrub I can't believe you didn't go for "you can learn Beta even earlier if you aren't some kind of beta"...
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May 31, 2019 09:44
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While FFVII started the trend of the series getting more character-centric, I find it strange how long Aerith isn't even mentioned in the main quest after her death, not until you return to Cosmo Canyon.
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May 31, 2019 11:25
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Inspector Gesicht posted:While FFVII started the trend of the series getting more character-centric, I find it strange how long Aerith isn't even mentioned in the main quest after her death, not until you return to Cosmo Canyon. To be fair the characters are a bit busy not getting executed by Shin-Ra and then worrying about Meteor.
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May 31, 2019 11:52
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It is indeed strange from a script perspective. But yeah, from the perspective of in-game events, it's not that weird: After Aeris' death so much poo poo happens in a row that it makes sense that the characters don't get a lot of time to stop and think about it.
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May 31, 2019 12:06
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I think it's something future games like the Tales series improves on from FF7 being a 1996 game, really, with things like plot-important skits letting the characters bond and ruminate about important events while not having to fit them in the mainline games cript
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May 31, 2019 12:29
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FFVII: It's a pain to get your head around the controls if you play on PC with a gamepad. You can rebind the keys but this can play havoc when you have to input a sequence in a short time. I just button-mashed to stop that runaway train. The dumbest minigame is when you fall of the train-tracks and a tutorial pops up to tell you how to move while you're falling. The world-map is probably the dullest of the series. It feels tiny, it doesn't have the alternate-versions like previous games, nor the dynamic and lively details of the next two games. There isn't a good overworld theme until late in the game. I have no idea what Fort Condor is about. I just left it until it was mandatory and did nothing during RTS section so I could beat that piss-easy boss. The game mixes up pixel-hunting with time-sensitive items with annoying frequency. Why is the materia to summon a thunder-god just lying around in a jockeys' breakroom? Why do you need Barrett to pick up his final weapon in a one-time only dungeon? I dislike how slow AP gain is until the endgame. You could quickly get new characters up to speed to learn magic in FF6 by comparison. By the time you can truly play around with the materia-system in FF7 the game's already over. It would have made more sense for someone like Heidegger or Scarlet to directly destroy Sector 7 instead of Reno. You can't play someone as punch-clock rival when they commit an act of mass-murder that would make Kefka erect. I am interested in the graphical leap from 7 to 8. Did 8 run slower or have longer load times on the original PS1 release? Inspector Gesicht fucked around with this message at 15:27 on May 31, 2019 |
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May 31, 2019 14:30
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I never bothered with Fort Condor as a teenager, but you can play the RTS game 6 or 7 times I believe and you get a different item each time for winning. It does seem out of place in a FF game, though. I agree with you on Barret's Missing Score. It's not like he particularly has any ties to Hojo, so why would his ultimate weapon be available before fighting him? It would have made a lot more sense if you'd gotten it from stopping the train destroying North Corel. If you know what you're doing, there are quite a few places to farm AP easily before Disc 3, though.
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May 31, 2019 14:41
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Missing Score would have been more appropriate dropping in the Corel Desert Prison. Perfect empty chest for it down that shaft, or even in the burnt out house where Barret rejoins the group. Or even where Dyne fell! POSSIBILITIES!
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May 31, 2019 15:11
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Inspector Gesicht posted:There isn't a good overworld theme until late in the game. FF7 is one of the only good mainline FF overworld themes Actually Good Tier: 7, 4 Maybe Ok Tier: 6, 8 Nah Tier: 9, 5 Don't really remember the other ones
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May 31, 2019 15:38
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The bad ones are in the games that start the song over after a random battle
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May 31, 2019 15:46
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Inspector Gesicht posted:While FFVII started the trend of the series getting more character-centric, I find it strange how long Aerith isn't even mentioned in the main quest after her death, not until you return to Cosmo Canyon. It's a very bizarre creative decision that they decided to dump ALL the exposition on the Cetra and Aerith's parents in the town after her death. The characters don't acknowledge any of it at all, either. Ventana posted:FF7 is one of the only good mainline FF overworld themes Does FFVI have a consistent world theme? At least in World of Balance I feel like it changed now and then. I distinctly remember Terra's Theme playing a few times as the overworld theme and of course it's Good Tier. This temporary world map theme from FF3 is pretty drat good IMO https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5b7sSfcXrnU
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May 31, 2019 15:54
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Not sure if it counts, but Searching for Friends is powerful af.
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May 31, 2019 15:56
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Searching for Friends always counts.
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May 31, 2019 15:57
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Elentor posted:Not sure if it counts, but Searching for Friends is powerful af. Same, except Dark World.
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May 31, 2019 16:06
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3's Eternal Wind is the best overworld theme and I'll loving die defending this.
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May 31, 2019 16:18
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The Sephiroth clones are probably the most tragic characters in VII. Everyone in Cloud's hometown who survived the slaughter end up as brainwashed drones who end up committing suicide anyway. I noticed that Sephiroth never talks in the present-day, nor does he have much screen-time. All the busy-work is done by his Jenova proxies. Capcom hit gold with the Resident Evil 2 Remake. That game strongly deviates from the original with modern design-decisions, and the plot manages to have actual pathos like the scene with the gun-shop owner. At the same time the game was modest in size and didn't artificially inflate itself. I can't feel enthusiastic about VII's remake given that the corporate structure of Square Enix hasn't improved from an outsider's perspective. The original VII had a rushed production of less than two years, but it wasn't until 12 and 13 did the stretch marks of a tenuous development cause a negative impact on the games.
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May 31, 2019 16:22
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Mega64 posted:3's Eternal Wind is the best overworld theme and I'll loving die defending this. 3 has a really good soundtrack overall.
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Inspector Gesicht posted:I noticed that Sephiroth never talks in the present-day, nor does he have much screen-time. All the busy-work is done by his Jenova proxies. That's because you don't actually meet him until the very end of the game. Cloud interacts with him at the North Crater before he summons Meteor (sorta) but the whole point of Sephiroth is he's a master manipulator.
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May 31, 2019 16:59
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wtf FF7 and 9 have amazing overworld themes are you people on meth
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I think all 3 NES games have excellent overworld themes. 2 captures the desolate, empty and hopeless vibe that game has so well that its arguably the only thing that game does right  I'd give it a toss up between 2 and 4 for my favorite overworld theme (unless we'd count XI zone themes, in which case I'd give it to Ronfaure or Zi'Tah) Am I the weird one for thinking 7 has a very hit or miss soundtrack? It has some clear standouts that I wouldn't argue with but the large majority of it is a disappointing drop off from how consistently good 4 and 6 are. The sound font that was used actually feels like a step down from the SNES games in a lot of places which is weird for the CD multimedia experience it was considered at the time
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Or if you were me and many other nerds 15+ years ago, you insisted Jenova was the real villain and Sephiroth was her puppet. I still dislike what I feel is an incongruity in Sephiroth's character. The Nibelheim Sephiroth is radically different from the one you encounter in the game. They have different motivations, goals and personalities. I figured Jenova controlling him explained this well enough. But since that is cnonically not what happened, I'm left to speculate. Somebody on another forum offered the best explanation I've ever heard. They likened Jenova to the One Ring from LOTR. Sure you can master it and control it but in the process you are no longer you. The Ring's taint, Sauron's pure evil essence, will leave a permanent stain on your soul and mind. Sephiroth took control of Jenova but in turn he pretty much became Jenova.
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May 31, 2019 17:10
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Over those hills is the best world map theme
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Inspector Gesicht posted:I am interested in the graphical leap from 7 to 8. Did 8 run slower or have longer load times on the original PS1 release? Not particularly. I think they just built it better from the start, having spent most of 7 loving around with seeing what these shiny new 3D computers could do. Edit: FF8's Blue Fields > FF7 Overworld theme > FF7 meteor overworld theme > FF9 (Playing 9 now and it's a...weird...track, that one. Can't work out what I think of it).
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May 31, 2019 20:29
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This might be old news but play Anxious Heart from FFVII. Now play Spacelab by Kraftwerk. Mind. Blown.
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May 31, 2019 21:38
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Oh yeah, when I got into my Kraftwerk phase, I immediately went “hey wait...” Also, am I the only one who thinks the FFVII soundtrack takes some cues from Twin Peaks?
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fightwithcrayons posted:Not particularly. I think they just built it better from the start, having spent most of 7 loving around with seeing what these shiny new 3D computers could do. I gotta say, I don't see love for Blue Fields that often. I can't stand the original but the mod I have puts in the orchestrated version and I think it makes it 100x better. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_e7nYEyYNs Feel the same way about Man with the Machinegun. Don't care about the original but the orchestrated version is godly. Am I alone in getting the impression of "mundaneness" from most of FFVIII's music, especially the town music and this world map theme? It has none of the wonder or fantastic feeling of FFVII's world map theme. That first ime you leave Midgar is an unforgettable moment for a lot of people I've met and the music is a big part of that. It really conveys how vast and grand it all is. Blue Fields is just...nothing. The world, judged by that song, is very bland and unremarkable. NikkolasKing fucked around with this message at 22:55 on May 31, 2019 |
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May 31, 2019 22:51
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Best overworld themes: 5. Eternal Wind 4. 7's main theme 3. 2's main theme 2. 4's main theme 1. Searching for Friends
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May 31, 2019 23:14
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Eternal Wind, Blue Fields and Terra’s Theme are my favorite overworld themes. I also love the Salikawood and Ozmone Plain from XII and whatever the overworld theme for IV is called. But my straight up favorite track from any FF is the Phantom Forest from VI. Itsssss soooooo goooooddddd.
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Dell_Zincht posted:This might be old news but play Anxious Heart from FFVII. On the same note, listen to "Dancing Mad" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbXVNKtmWnc&t=693s and then "Tarkus" by Emerson Lake and Palmer if you have 40 minutes spare. TheIndividual fucked around with this message at 00:15 on Jun 1, 2019 |
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